By telling us that the Scottish electorate would be more inclined to vote yes after Monday night's debate, Ian Bell (The Glasgow Herald) rather suggests that Scottish voters are a bit lumpen, he is insulting us by suggesting that we would take much if anything relating to information from it. Mr. salmond lost the first debate because his intrinsic hubris led him to believe that he could give Alastair Darling a level playing field and still beat him. The effect that that mistake had on him and how it formulated his tactics for the second debate was plainly and embarrassingly obvious. He knew that he could not survive another defeat and that made him nervous and painfully aware that another level playing field was a risk to far. He was clearly determined to make sure that this debate would be a strident embarrassing fiasco thus ensuring that he could claim no matter what happened that he did not lose. I am confident that those like Mr. Bell and the audience in the hall will be a small minority who think that way. The whole debacle finished up looking like Jim Murphy's street discussion with the urbane and sophisticated snp voters of Motherwell. This ugly and squalid confrontation can be accessed using the internet/U Tube etc. It is a very accurate and very chilling example of where we are heading if we vote yes. The people you will see really have to be seen to be believed, if I were to try to describe them to you accurately many of you would think I was exaggerating, such was their behaviour. Have a look for yourselves and remember when you do that these people are not a small minority, they are not unusual at all, they are in fact typical of the rank and file members of the snp. Watch it and reflect on what these thugs and hooligans are going to be like when they are beaten in the referendum, they are not likely to say congratulations old chap to their victorious opponents.
Scotland is heading in to a dark sinister place, it is too late to stop it now, it will be bad but, impossible to say just how bad. The credulous snp crazies who are now on the edge of rage and paranoia will take defeat very badly and someone will no doubt pay the price, it is to be hoped that English people in Scotland or even Scottish people with a trace of an English accent have voted by post, Scotland will not be a safe place for them for a while. This unsavoury and dangerous situation is down to how the snp leaders have been calculatingly stirring up hatred of the English among their simple and naive followers for years, followers who in some cases will be only too willing to shed blood for ‘bonnie Scotland’ eager to become martyrs that’s how ‘loosely wrapped’ some of them are. The main culprit in all of this is of course the malicious and highly deceitful alex salmond who will be only too happy to “haud the jaikets” while his mob go off the rails. He is a clever if fatally flawed man who knows what he is doing but he has gone too far to stop it now, he knows that it is far easier to start a riot than it is to stop one but he will already have his ‘get out of jail card’. An exit from politics and a bestselling autobiography to write, no doubt from warmer climes is my guess, and I very much doubt that he will lose any sleep over the damage he has done and the hatred he has left behind. With apologies to T.S. Elliot he will go out “not with a bang but with a whimper”.
Entirely Right Councillor Kelly.
Watching the 'debate' was depressing, it had all the characteristics of a stairheid rammy.
As for Mr Salmonds 3 plan B's on currency can be summed up as;
He prattles on about the 'Sovereign will' of the Scottish people giving him a mandate to have a currency union.
Conveniently forgetting the 'Sovereign will' of the people south of the border to refuse a currency union.
However the Nationalists are not interested in facts, they resemble one of those weird religious cults, where belief is more important than anything else.
You know the kind, that promise paradise will arrive when the space ships land.
They are invariably led by a charismatic leader, whose reputation implodes when the space ships fail to turn up.
Leaving behind the believers who cannot accept that he was wrong, and who descend into paranoid conspiracy theories to explain the leaders demise.
But when the solution to every problem is independence, I guess there are no such things as consequences.
Who does Murphy think he is ? If you take up a soapbox expect reflection and exposure of your nonsense.
Are you suggesting Terry that Politicians who literally put themselves on a soapbox should expect us to defer to their better knowledge.
A man so dense he could not finish a university degree despite being there for 9 years.
Politics and European Law he studied and could not pass.....So he became a Labour politician.
Running Man said...Friday, August 29, 2014 12:20:00 pm
I have been doing this a long time and I have not seen anywhere else any behaviour like the snp followers. This mob behaviour by the tartanshirts was last seen when the snp's friends the "Blackshirts" were marching in the 30's and it will get worse while people like you and salmond refuse to condemn them, it's nearly time for you to polish up your Jackboots.
Not seen anything like it? Orgreave, the miners strike, watch the newsreels....and I mean violent miners, not the police.
niko said...Thursday, August 28, 2014 5:17:00 pm
It is easy for people to accuse us of over reacting to nationalism but I honestly find it difficult to avoid the comparison with the link you provided. History teaches us where nationalism can lead. When I think about nationalism I always think of this quote from "The resistible rise of Arturo Ui" by Bertolt Brecht. "Dont rejoyce in his (Hitler's)defeat, you men!
Although the world stood up and stopped the bastard,
The bitch that bore him is in heat again.
Anonymous said...Friday, August 29, 2014 4:17:00 pm
One man with a loud hailer is set upon by a mob of semi illiterate nationalist thugs and you want to compare that to miners locked in a heroic battle against the Police?, you are obviously as illiterate as they are. From memory it was the Police who had the batons and the horses and the water cannon. When was the last time you saw the Police lining up with the workers you clown.
Anonymous said...Thursday, August 28, 2014 2:48:00 pm
Thank you for your comments.
"I have been doing this a long time and I have not seen anywhere else any behaviour like the snp followers."
John Prescott (Deputy PM-Labour - right hook. I would rather have an egg smashed on my back than a right hook to my jaw.
Anonymous said...Friday, August 29, 2014 6:05:00 pm
John Prescott reacted to being hit by someone from behind and to the side of him by throwing a punch at his assailant. You sound just like the kind of braveheart who would have ran away scared as a rabbit.
How can someone be behind him and at the side at the same time? I just watched it again on Youtube (a good description for you). It was a wimp of a punch and a statesman would have laughed at it. Your hatred of SNP influences every comment you make.
Anonymous said...Friday, August 29, 2014 8:20:00 pm
The guy was not directly behind him you bozo and I didn't say anything about the punch only that he threw one you bozo. I don't just hate the snp, I hate nationalism, fascism, Nazism, Racism etc. All of them carry the same stench.
Set upon by a mob ? lol.......Must have been metaphorically so...
What makes me laugh is that you have previously went on about rough and tumble of hustings etc.
Seems to me that Labour have turned into a group of whingers....
You have no pro Union argument so your whole campaign is just about weakness in YES campaign.
You have no grass roots support, its just rich Tories and MP's who know their job is on the line.
Total car crash of a campaign....
If only you took that 9-1 bet.....seems a shoe in now.
It is a small step from heckling at a hustings to throwing missiles, challenging the speaker to fight and shouting the foulest abuse. This is the way the Blackshirts behaved in the 30's and now the tartanshirts of the snp are reverting to their Nazi/Fascist roots by doing the same.
So you did see violence at Orgreave. That blows your claim that the Murphy thing was unique out of the water....seems we only disagree on who was culpable at Orgreave.
Let's move on to the Unite scum targeting managers homes and terrifying their families in the INEOS dispute.
In your warped book, this would be acceptable, while chucking eggs at a hard-nosed Glasgow politician isn't?
People actually elected you?!
4 Times in a row but I had to identity myself to stand so you should be excluded then.
Anonymous said...Sunday, August 31, 2014 7:22:00 pm
I'm a patient man and I'm used to dealing with anonymous half wits like yo. Orgreave was strike and Jim Murphy's meetings are hustings. No laws were broken in the Ineos dispute, would you like another go?.
of course I'd like another go, but first let's be clear, legal or not, you believe the wives and families of INEOS managers were fair game?
Anonymous said...Monday, September 01, 2014 6:58:00 pm
Do you believe that the wives and families of the INEOS workers were fair game?, do you want to have another go?.
INEOS...What kind of reply is that, you cretin? Either give an instance of the company threatening homes, wives and family, or withdraw.
Anonymous said...Tuesday, September 02, 2014 2:39:00 pm
What kind of moron are you?, when people with a family are made redundant they can lose everything, pension, home, marriage and even life. If people who are treated like trash by their employer they are entitled to point out to the world what kind of piece of garbage their employers are.
No doubt you would roll over and surrender you snivelling coward.
INEOS...No you clown....the cowards are those who threaten women and children and those, like you, who see nothing wrong with it.
Other than the Unite convenor, how many job losses were there at Grangemouth Refinery?
Nye Bevan was right when he described people like you as "lower than vermin" INEOS blackmailed their workforce in to accepting a no strike agreement, lower wages, pension cuts and lower redundancy payments to save their jobs and then betrayed them by still sacking 200 of them. You accuse union workers of threatening women and children and don't bat an eye lid when 800 families including women and children are threatened with the sack, do they not feel threatened?. INEOS and their lowlife supporters like you can only be dealt with one way, like thieves and gangsters and some day they will be dealt with.
"Dealt with?" You'd better explain that in words that satisfy whatever unlucky Standards body has oversight of your conduct,
Anonymous said...Wednesday, September 03, 2014 3:54:00 pm
"Dealt with" Means dealt with bozo. And the people to complain to can be reached at.
Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland.
39 Drumsheugh Gardens. Edinburgh EH3 7SW. I look forward to finding out who you are.
INEOS...you're losing it again. You have a leaning towards the hysterical when cornered and as the Kelly family's prize asset, God help them, you need to take better care of your blood pressure.
Now to business..."dealt with" in the way union thugs dealt with the Welsh miners, a concrete block, from a motorway bridge, through their windscreen? You disgust me... End of .
Anonymous said...Wednesday, September 03, 2014 6:42:00 pm
And the pickets who were injured and killed by scab lorry drivers? the people who were beaten by cops on horseback, including women, the suicides caused by pit closures?, the broken families? Do they count?. The elderly newspaper seller attacked by cops and murdered in central London, the electrician shot dead in a London Train Station, do they count?. We fought a war to stop people like you from gaining power and we are still fighting it, you are the enemy within.
We will eventually "deal" with people like you Mr. Anonymous, we will get justice some day. As the poet Shelley said "ye (us) are many they,(the oppressors)are few".
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