"Oh the banks are made of marble with a guard on every door.
And the vaults are stuffed with silver that the workers sweated for" - American union song - (Les Rice)
“What is the robbing of a bank compared to the founding of a bank" (Bertold Brecht)
Brecht in his own inimitable way asks who is the most dishonest, the bank robber or the bank owner. Recent and ongoing events make the answer a little bit more complicated for those who stand four square behind the capitalist system. Overnight the most massive socialist decision in history, that to nationalise huge capitalist banks, building societies and finance houses has been made by one of the most right wing presidents of the world’s most staunchly capitalist country. Take a bow George Dubbya Bush and the U.S.A. your humiliation is complete.
Bush, Cheney and Rice etc. have jumped ahead of Marx and Engels and Lenin as heroes of the socialist cause. No matter how this is spun there will be no way out for the free marketeers, the loony camp followers of mad old Milton Friedman and his laissez-faire nonsense are spinning with confusion and the sense that their life’s philosophy lies in tatters, you will not be surprised to learn that I have no sympathy for them.
In their “devil take the hindmost” world, the “devil” has just caught them up and taken an almighty bite out of their a***s, those who say ‘greed is good’ and no one matters except yourself are now grovelling and begging for help from the very society which they exploited so ruthlessly. I say to them, the market is all powerful, the market will sort everything, right ? aye right, as my mother used to say when you got caught out “hell mend ye”
Bush of course who can’t walk and chew gum at the same time has no idea what is going on and continues to read out statements written by even bigger crooks than him, consider the following, Ford, Quale, Reagan, Bush and now McCain and the ludicrous Palin and ask yourself how do these people get to a position of great power ? The answer is that they are put there to represent the interests of the corporate crooks and gangsters who are now being exposed by the current financial crisis, these people though will walk away rich, when they should be walking through prison gates, that’s the poison of capitalism.
The Govt’s of America and Britain now have to clean up the mess using their own people's money, this is an example of a phrase much loved by capitalists “too big to fail” or "if you are going to borrow, borrow so much that your lender can’t afford to see you go under and get locked up" It’s corruption on a grand scale and sadly we have been here before, will we learn this time ?
Unfortunately this is not the end of capitalism but it still represents an opportunity for the left. We must make sure that the future is better and that means much more regulation to prevent dishonest con artists thriving. I.M.O. the man without a shadow of a doubt to lead that is Gordon Brown, it’s not for nothing that he finds himself vilified by the right wing press and, in a disgraceful personal way. They fear him do these people, those responsible for this chaos, job losses, mortgage failures etc.
The thing they fear most is a Labour Party which is free of past New Labour timidity led by a liberated Prime Minister who now has the chance to let people see what Labour and he stand for.
Whatever happens now, we know that free range capitalism released by Thatcher and Reagan does not work, they caused this by deregulating the banks and financial systems. We now know without fear of contradiction that the market does not have the answer and we must not go back to that idea, at this time I am grabbed by mixed emotions, sympathy for those ordinary people who are damaged by this, utter contempt for the greedy capitalist bastards who are responsible and, sheer frustration that we can’t round these people up and throw them in jail, still, maybe in the future eh ?
Saturday, September 20, 2008
THE SHYSTERS THROWN OUT OF THE TEMPLE BY JESUS ARE STILL WITH US.
Posted by Cllr Terry Kelly at Saturday, September 20, 2008
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Leaving aside your references to some sort of religious beliefs, I do think that Gordon has taken a right step.
He should now try to nationalise several things in this country - never mind a few crumbling banks.
Will he do it? I doubt it, I fear he is too scared of the 'middle classes', both in England and here in Scotland.
I would love to think we could get to some sort of socialist state, and he is the man who has the power to do it now, but I doubt he is brave enough, sadly.
The circumstances may never happen again.
Why is Governor Palin 'ludicrous,' Councillor?
And loved your remark that Brown doesn't find himself 'villified for nothing.'
Too right Matey - he's done enough damage to be hung, let alone villified
I think you will find it was the tax collectors and moneychangers who Jesus ejected from the Templ.
(Bob Flowers) 12:37
Maybe you are right Bob, in your increasingly desperate world maybe Jesus would have sided with the capitalist con men and shysters, short sellers and crooks who have caused this collapse.
“Shyster” - a dishonest person particularly a lawyer (Oxford Dict.)
Surely it’s not that difficult, even for you, he is vilified by the capitalist press because they fear him and his politics, they are scared he might break away from the recent past and hold them to account, that’s why a lot of the abuse is so personal. Like yours.
Gov. Palin is ludicrous because I say she is, that's my opinion you are the same for the same reasson, if McCain was to be elected and die in office, she would be shot, by the CIA, before she blew the world up.
She's a republican crook what more do you need ?
"Whatever happens now, we know that free range capitalism released by Thatcher and Reagan does not work, they caused this by deregulating the banks and financial systems. We now know without fear of contradiction that the market does not have the answer and we must not go back to that idea, at this time I am grabbed by mixed emotions, sympathy for those ordinary people who are damaged by this, utter contempt for the greedy capitalist bastards who are responsible and, sheer frustration that we can’t round these people up and throw them in jail, still, maybe in the future eh ?"
Evil. Pure evil.
They are indeed, they owe allegiance to no person, country or cause, except that of personal gain.
No, I was describing your views as evil.
When Marx came up with an idea of a socialist dictatorship run for the benefit of the people, it didn't occur to him that that dictatorship would be run by people like you.
“some sort of religious beliefs” - I’m happy to use any source to attack these people, many of them are righteous Christians, de facto hypocrites.
I agree with most of what you say, I hope we can “capitalize” on what is happening, we should start by nationalising things which are natural monopolies to avoid exploiters such as Rail Travel, Air Travel, Gas, Electricity, Water Etc. Etc.
I don’t want to be argumentative for arguments sake but,Iasked my daughter if "SomeGirlsWanderByMistake" meant anything and she brought it up on “U tube” it must be an age thing. If they were playing that stuff at Guantanemo prison Amnesty would call it torture.
I’m encouraged by the obvious anger and humiliation that you are feeling, the greatest nationalisers in history, Bush and America !
Oh the pain, the loss of face, the realisation that you have been lied to, the hurt of knowing that you are one of those they are talking about when they say “there’s one born every minute”
Maybe Sarah Palin can still bring you hope.
Do you think Brown was the economic architect of the good times we were enjoying a few years ago?
I don’t accept that we were having good times a few years ago, some people were, maybe you were but, there were far to many people who were not.
He did a good job along with others and progress was made but he was not solely responsible, any more than he is responsible for today’s problems.
Oh, I thought we were having a relatively better time than most, what with GDP being up and us being told that by the chancellry and all. I guess not.
Who else is responsible for the progress made?
How does this all square with an end to boom and bust?
Do you have a problem with understanding ? I could have sworn that I said that some were not having a better time SOME !
“How does this all square with an end to boom and bust?“
“this” what ?
Well Grodon has been true to his word about ending "boom and bust".
The boom is well and truly over and Gordon's 10 years as Chancellor has left the country bust.
Apparently I do have a problem with understanding. I thought the basic level of wealth had risen across the country, although the gap between rich and poor has opened in the last 10 years. Absolute poverty has decreased, while relative poverty has increased. Is that wrong?
Well, the boom of the last few years followed by this bust.
"She's a republican crook what more do you need ?"
Evidence, you despicable rent-seeker.
The best argument against socialism is that it attracts hate-filled semi-literate economic-incompetents such as yourself and lets you spend the taxes you've stolen from up. You are clearly enjoying all your constituents' pension saving evaporating in the credit crunch. Anything that lets you feel superior to the "capitalists" who go out and work a living.
(Bob Flowers) 22/09/08
The rapier wit again, none of us are a match for you Bob.
Brown provided stability not boom, that’s what he set out to do. This bust is his fault is it ?
I feel your pain Nick, I really do. No matter how much I try not to I always seem to upset someone.
Still I can see that you have tried to produce a reasonable argument, a bit to go yet though.
“No, it's just that your lot have a disproportionate number of sad little chancers, the Rt Hon Vaz being the latest”
Well if it quacks like a duck and looks and walks like a duck it’s usually a duck right ?
I have just done a little exercise on my own without any research or googling or speaking to anyone and, despite my 45 Yr. political involvement I can’t come up with any other Black/Asian MP’s who are/were the subject of accusations of this kind, non Black/Asian MP’s who have been accused of impropriety however are a dime a dozen from all parties, all of whom are spared your lash ?
Not for the first time there is a Macnasty stink coming from you, time to crawl back under your stone.
Kelly @ 12.12
Kelly, tell me where, in my post, I said anything about the Rt Hon. Vaz being Asian? My comment was that your lot had a disproportionate number of sad little chancers, a charge you seem to accept.
Your decision to highlight Mr. Vaz is a bit of a giveaway , if you choose to be a vile racist that’s up to you.
I will let others decide why you chose K Vaz MP I’m sure they will work it out.
Kelly @ 12.27
Me, a 'vile racist' for suggesting the Hon Vaz has explanations to make?
Terry, son, if you remember, I also had a pop at Dear Wendy over donations. If that makes me a vile Scots hating bigot as well, then I guess I'll just have to live with it.
“Me, a 'vile racist' for suggesting the Hon Vaz has explanations to make?”
No you are a vile racist because you have “previous” when it comes to Mr. Vaz and because out of all the hundreds of politicians who have been accused of impropriety and some found guilty you once again fix on Mr. Vaz. Yes you will have to live with it.
I get the feeling that you would love to get it all off your chest but, you just can’t find the courage.
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