Wednesday, December 03, 2014


No one really likes to say ‘I told you so’ but sometimes it is inescapable. This morning I saw the beginning of chaos in the snp which I had been predicting after a referendum defeat, this thought crossed my mind when I looked at the headlines in the Scottish morning papers today, there pictured in all their awfulness were snp Councillors Brian Lawson, Mags MacLaren and Will. Mylet, brought to us courtesy of amateur photographer and amateur politician Kenny Maclaren snp who wielded the camera. It took a while to get the head round what they were doing and it turned out they were burning a report on devolved powers for the Scottish parliament which displeased them, a publicity stunt if you will. We have all heard the saying “there is no such thing as bad publicity” a saying which usually applies to charlatans and self publicists, like the snp for instance, I doubt if these 4 hapless idiots would concur with that saying right now. As the country awoke the snp had already condemned their actions and by afternoon they had all 4 been suspended from the party, I wonder if Ms. Sturgeon has ever heard of Harold MacMillan’s answer to a reporter who asked and I paraphrase “what worries you” ? to which ‘Supermac’ replied, “events dear boy events”. The person who should have been left holding this first of many babies is of course wee alex (Del boy) salmond who with rat like cunning saw what was coming and ‘done a runner’ he now counts his money and plays golf while the useful idiots that he marched up and down the hill deal with the hopping mad fall out caused by him.  
One of the most disturbing aspects of this affair is the snp’s murky past. This has been a constant embarrassment to the snp, their tactic of choice in dealing with these matters is denial, abuse and evading the issue. The sight of politicians burning writings that they do not like of course brings back memories of when such behaviour by nationalist mobs led to catastrophic events. I was tempted to hurry over to the railway station to see if the trains had suddenly started running on time. What we saw here was the snp behaving execrably in public, people who are regular attendees at council meetings will not be in the least surprised, I urge the public to attend these meetings and witness their conduct.

Renfrewshire has the reputation of being one of the worst behaved council’s in Scotland because of their antics which have been going on for years. They are also seen as an snp “fundy” stronghold meaning that they are strongly in favour of nationalist fundamentalism, they regard themselves as having been betrayed by people like salmond, Sturgeon and Swinney who persuaded members to adopt a gradualist approach to independence only to lose convincingly, they are livid and out for revenge. Internecine warfare and dirty tricks between the ‘fundies’ and the ‘traitors’ looks more than likely and “them that dies will be the lucky ones” (Long John Silver). The increase in members to the snp could easily turn out looking like a Gadarene Rush when the new recruits realise what the party they have joined are really like. This is only the start.      


Running Man said...

While its clear these people are far from the brightest shillings in the till I do get a laugh out of the faux outrage from the likes of you and Alan Cochrane.

Especially from you Terry ,a man who has a lot of history of putting his head above the parapet.

At what point did we all agree with snuffing out political dissent ? Maybe its only OK if you agree with it....

Effegies of course being OK to burn.....but shoddy back room agreements not.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Running Man said..Thursday, December 04, 2014 9:08:00 am

No outrage from me and no surprise either, I've always been aware of what they are just as I have with you. Putting your head above the parapet is sometimes dangerous but I like to do it because I believe in what I am doing, someone who hasn't the courage to use his own name wouldn't understand that. People like you and these idiots are the very ones who would 'snuff out all political dissent' if they had the power.

Running Man said...

Yet its you who clambers to condem their actions.....snuffing out debate that could come from it.

If you want my name and address I'm happy to oblige.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Running Man said...Friday, December 05, 2014 10:42:00 am

Burning literature that you disagree with is not debate, it's Nazim and all too typical of the snp. Go to Renfrewshire Council's web site and see the information provided on me, go ahead and copy it. Everything about me is in the public domain, will you do that?.

Running Man said...

Terry its not Naziism at all. Your statement is nonsense.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

I disagree.

Running Man said...

We'll put your knowledge of the workings of the Third Reich political regime in same league as your knowledge on pensions.

You are aware they exist or existed but you know nothing of the details.

Since when was a political 'proposal' literature ?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Don't confuse me with the average nationalist, most people outside the snp know plenty about the Third Reich. You would need to be either a cave dweller or an snp member not to know about it.

'Literature' 'Books and writing on a particular subject'.

'leaflets used to give information' (Oxford English Dictionary).

'Moron' 'a stupid person' (same source).

Running Man said...

Its either books or its not Terry.

Are you saying every document is actually literature ?

If I print this page is it literature ?

I suspect you don't think all this through.

SNP cooncillers are eejits I agree but its not Nazi book burning however much you want to stretch your imagination to it.

That is a crass distortion that in fact belittles the real evil actions of the Third Reich regime.

I wouldn't say you were a moron though so you should delete that comment as its way too hard on yourself.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

I did not say every document was literature, I gave you the Oxford definition of literature and it clearly encompasses the Smith report, tell them they are wrong.

Countless numbers of posters and letter writers have said the same as me but you seem determined to willfully ignore that truth.

Kyle Smith said...

Just out of interest, seeing as the SNP are, in your opinion, of the same mould as the Nazi's.. where would you place yourself as a Labour Councillor, what are your core values which you so devoutely believe in, enough so to 'stick your head above the parapet'?

Lets be clear, burning ANYTHING cheapens your stance and debate as a whole. On the same point, making crass statements likening them to Nazi's shows just how cheap your level of argument is against it.

Also your statement about the SNP's Indpendence referendum being beaten 'convincingly' is wide of the mark. 45% of Scotland, yes 45% voted yes, Now let me save you from getting your abicus out, thats only a five percent swing. This is from a labcondem establishment who, in their arrogance thought it would be stamped out as a 'fantasy'.

Only someone who has complete contempt for 45% of the electorate would have the arrogance to disregard their opinion.

Mind you, this is why Labour are on deaths door as a party. Filled with dinosaurs who cannot accept that the landscape of Scottish politics has changed.

To be so crass towards 45& of people in Scotland just shows the complete lack of class and awareness you have.

Cllr Kelly, you really are a relic!

I trust you will keep this little response off your daily rant page.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Kyle Smith said...Thursday, December 11, 2014 4:01:00 pm

There are 2 distinct varieties of nationalism civic and ethnic, I regard the snp version of nationalism to be the latter, and that is similar to the nationalism adhered to by the Nazis whom the snp supported during WW2. The link between ethnic nationalism and fascism and racism is well established and the attitude to England and the English by the snp is a prime example of that.

My ‘core values’ are printed at the top of my blog page. A victory with a 10% is a convincing victory in my opinion, if I were guilty of "disregarding the opinion of the 45 % who voted yes" I would not be talking to you would I?.

Kyle Smith said...

You are deluded and frankly, you insult the intelligence of the electorate.

I know back in your day it was a very hardcore thing to do, be a nationalist and i know you fall in to the group of people who just deem everyone who voted yes and everyone who voted SNP as anti-english. I think you know as well as i do that this is a cheap argument which has been discredited time and again. I know you will point blank deny this truth becuase it doesnt suit your agenda.

Also, replying does not offer respect to the 45% of people especially when the reply accuses all of the SNP and all of the yes voters as anti english, its a complete nonsense which, wether you win a petty argument with me on a blog page, will cost your party dearly.

Scottish voters voted yes in their droves because Labour and Conservative have mistreated them for too long.

Your opinions are a product of your Party, not the other way about, you have been conditioned over a period of time to just nod and agree. The "dont vote them" mantra is coming back to bite you.

The very fact that every labour member seemed to adhere to the opinion that staying part of the union only displays the complete careerism of the people in the party. With the SNP you can understand this, its their thing, they are nationalists but when it comes to labour, you are all just products of a dead mantra. Your votes are dying out along with the memories of union power and the distant memories of labour being for the working man.

To preach anything otherwise is to do yourself a disservice.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Kyle Smith said.Thursday, December 11, 2014 6:05:00 pm

We have already done this, you are in denial. The Scottish people answered these points clearly on Sept 18Th 2014 and you lost.

The snp are the most hidebound political party in the UK and they are dictated to by salmond. They are racist and bigoted with a revolting history, try facing the truth.

Kyle Smith said...

LOL. Your drool sodden jacket is on a shoogly peg and you are too narrow minded too see it. For that i am thankful.

The political landscape has changed, you are like a dinosaur who hasnt realised the asteroid has hit. It wasnt all SNP voters who voted yes, but i can now say all yes voters will be voting SNP.

Creatures who cannot adapt do not last. Theres a wee fact for you, maybe between the thunderous one finger typing i can hear from here, you might stop to consider that for a second.

Maybe not.

Kyle Smith said...

Also, your telegraph receiver seems to on the fritz. Salmond is no longer head of the party.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Kyle Smith said...Thursday, December 18, 2014 3:20:00 pm

There is a marked absence of facts and debate in your posts, are you aware of that?.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Kyle Smith said...
Thursday, December 18, 2014 3:22:00 pm

So you think salmond takes orders from Sturgeon then?. Have you entered a competition to find the stupidest political observer of the year or what?.