When the Murdoch Empire spouts it's filth about immigration do some racists take succour from that? When they do the same about paedophiles is it possible that some blameless people will be hurt? When David Cameron makes a speech and finds himself and the Tories being lauded by the odious Nick Griffin of the BNP who claims that Cameron's speech is a "further huge leap for our ideas into the political mainstream" does it give him pause for thought? When Marine Le Pen of the French Nazi National Front (her father's daughter) also praises Cameron's speech and says it "endorsed her own party's line on multiculturalism" is he quite relaxed about it? Can speeches and news stories and campaigns fan the flames of reaction and violence? I say the can and do, Norway and Oklahoma were no accidents, and some people are culpable.
Why would the speech I refer to a couple of weeks ago in Munich by Cameron repeatedly state the lie that "Islamist Extremism" is the cause of terrorism? Cameron is a clever enough man to know that he is not telling the truth so why? Votes and opinion polls that's why and that conclusively leads to the kind of character he is and says it all about the Tory party, famously and truthfully described by the great Nye BevAn as "lower than Vermin" When the former Norwegian Prime Minister, and current chairman of the Nobel Peace Prize Committee Thorbjorn Jagland, chooses the immediate aftermath of the worst racially motivated terrorist attack in Norwegian history to condemn Cameron's rhetoric. He describes it as "playing with fire" and claiming it could be exploited by extremists is it not about time that the hate filled right wingers of politics took a hard look at themselves?
The Tories are never more than a bad poll result or a big Murdoch type scandal away from playing the race card; it was ever thus and they will never change. I am comforted by this man's decision to say in public what millions have known for years and were too cowed by Murdoch and Co. to mention. That is that every action has a reaction and when you stir up hatred of a racist kind someone is going to suffer, invariably a member of a minority group, someone who can be called different from the mob, likewise bogus campaigns to protect children which are really to sell more papers. Clearly to Cameron and the Tories and the repellent Murdoch gang and their like the votes and the sales are worth it, the damage done, the lives lost and ruined are worth it. That's why we can't condemn any other people and why we have no right to, we here in the Capitalist rich west have education communications and wealth and that does not make us better people it only makes us worse.
If not Islamic extremism, what is the source of terrorism? Can't think of any other faith that promotes blowing innocents up on a regular basis.
By Anonymous on WHAT DOES RIGHT WING RHETORIC AND RACIST ABUSE LEA... on 01/08/11
Islam no more promotes terrorism than any other religion and anyone who claims that it does is a racist sectarian bigot, terrorists belong to many religions and none, are you Nick Griffin by any chance?
In one post you have referred to (or supported referrals to) your fellow human beings as "odious", "vermin", "bogus" and "repellent".
Tell me, who is spreading the hate here?
Say what you like about the Prime Minister, I have never heard him stoop to such language when referring to his opponents.
Perhaps you should calm it down a bit?
Islam may not promote terrorism but it has far more of a problem with it than any other religion these days or indeed any other political movement. That's the point really, there is a current of political extremism within Islam which, if not supported by the majority of Muslims, which it obviously isn't, is not combated any where near effectively enough either by the various religious authorities within Islam or by many of the governments in Muslim countries, indeed Iran and Pakistan have been actively involved in encouraging it.
Criticism of multiculturalism or even of Islam itself is not necessarily racist and anyway you are doing what so many people of your political persuasion do these days, conflating race and religion, how often does it have to be said that Islam is the latter not the former ? If I criticise Islam and I often do, it's because it's a religion and I've no time for any religion any more than I have for racism, both are based on fantasy.
By Anonymous on WHAT DOES RIGHT WING RHETORIC AND RACIST ABUSE LEA... at 10:00
The terms you refer to have indeed been used by me and I stand by them, if you want to object then put them beside the people I refer to and I will tell you why I used them.
But you see, you referred to groups of people, not individuals. You referred to Tories as "vermin", for example.
When you start pointing hate at groups of people, it is a much more dangerous road to go down than an individual judgement. It is dehumanising, and once your opponents are less than human... well, you fill in the rest.
I don't agree with socialism. I don't think it's fair that one man can demand the fruits of another's labour, and would much prefer charity to be a matter of personal choice than state-sponsored extortion of the hard-working. But I would never refer to my fellow human beings who do hold that opposing view as anything less than human.
Why can't you disagree with someone without hating them?
By Thornavis on WHAT DOES RIGHT WING RHETORIC AND RACIST ABUSE LEA... on 06/08/11
“That's the point really”
It may be the point that you and other racists make but it’s not my point.
“indeed Iran and Pakistan have been actively involved in. encouraging it”
This is again subjective and racist you not surprisingly haven’t offered any evidence to support this.
This post could easily been written by the News of the World.
By Anonymous on WHAT DOES RIGHT WING RHETORIC AND RACIST ABUSE LEA... on 07/08/11
“the Tory party, famously and truthfully described by the great Nye Bevan as "lower than Vermin"
This is what I said and I stand by it if you bother to read some history of the Tories you might find Enoch Powell and his speeches and also a famous by election which took place in a town called Smethwick where the Tory candidate ran under the following slogan "If you want a nigger for a neighbour, vote Liberal or Labour" nice people you are defending Patrick look it up, these are only two of many examples. Before you are allowed to pontificate and act in such a pious way you will first have to answer my challenge. I told you to take the words of mine which you claim to be offended by, match them to the relevant issues where I used them and I will answer you, now would you like to try again? “I don't agree with socialism” that makes my heart soar.
The other day when I posted a comment you actually made some attempt to engage with it so I thought that maybe you weren't so bad after all and were maybe worth trying to have a civilised debate with. I should have known better, your calling me a racist in response to a considered comment is ample proof of what sort of person you really are. You do know I take it that blogs aren't immune from the libel laws ? If I had the money I would happily sue you. Your further refusal to accept that Iran and Pakistan have fostered terrorism is yet more evidence of your detachment from reality. Who sponsored the Mumbai attacks, who sponsors Hizbollah ? I don't know why I bother asking though, I won't get a rational answer, just more abuse, you are insignificant of course but the party and style of Stalinist brutalism within it you represent are sadly still influential enough to cause damage. I know people who are Labour party members I shall point this exchange out to them and ask what they think they are doing alongside thugs like you.
I am not offended by any of your slurs aganst people who, to my knowledge, have never supported slavery. The relevance of something that was abolished the best part of two centuries ago on modern human relationships is, I must confess, lost on me.
Maybe my ancestors were enslaved by yours. Personally, I have no idea. But that was their business, not ours. I certainly don't blame you for it, if they were.
Anyway, I dare say plenty of Tories have said plenty of unpleasant things in the past. Similarly, I sincerely hope you don't stand by the deeply unpleasant military adventures of a recent Labour Prime Minister.
But, as with our slavery point, that's in the past - and the past is the past. Thankfully, your Smethwick chap and PM Blair (who went one further and put his opinions into questionable military action East of Suez) will remain there.
So, to move forward and stop it happening again, we have got to break the cycle and stop hating people.
You really need to stop calling people vermin.
Yet again you fail to take up my simple straight forward challenge. The jury is back Patrick you are a disingenuous coward.
By Thornavis on WHAT DOES RIGHT WING RHETORIC AND RACIST ABUSE LEA... at 15:24
This looks like you have lost here but let me clarify it further for you: as far as racism goes it matters nothing to me how hard you try to convolute matters and hide what you are. When it smells like a rat, talks like a rat and looks like a rat it is usually a rat. If you ever grow enough backbone to identify yourself I would be delighted to see you in court.
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