Think carefully about Thursday’s election; the mood at the moment is dangerous as it leans toward voters either not turning out or voting to punish the establishment parties, both of these responses might see people acting in haste and repenting at leisure, think about the devil you don’t know before acting.
Should the MP’s who broke and bent the rules be punished? Absolutely! Is this the time to do it? Absolutely not! The embarrassing stories are already claiming careers and destroying reputations so there is no fear of action not being taken, like any other situation where there is this much evidence and argument it will take time to sort out and a rush to judgement can cause the innocent to suffer, that would compound the felony.
Best to let the matter be investigated properly and then make rational decisions about the future, like Tam O Shanter’s wife Kate; you can “nurse your wrath to keep it warm” before acting on all the facts. If you react on Thursday you will be doing exactly what the right wing Tory Telegraph has set out to do which is of course maximise the damage to the Labour Govt. If you want to punish Labour or anyone else then do so but don’t be lured into acting by the biased reporting of the “Torygraph “
MORE IMPORTANTLY there is another evil presence involved here; that of the NEO NAZI BNP and their apprentices in UKIP they are lurking under their stones hoping to capitalize on voter anger over the expenses scandal. They are evil parasites who would introduce the policies of Hitler if they got a chance, we must be vigilant against these morons and make sure they are destroyed.
Are you prepared to allow your frustration at the behaviour of the big parties to push you into giving succour in any way to such evil? Racism, Anti Semitism, the Culling of the handicapped (their language) these and a lot more are the policies of the BNP and their rancid followers, think again, and again before letting this happen.
Do you want to see a society where your children and your children’s children come under such influences, it’s not hyperbole; history tells us that it can happen.
The BNP dream of a society where the rumbling sound of punctual trains and the accompanying smell of burning books is ever present; crush their hopes on Thursday.
Monday, June 01, 2009
THE BNP ARE HOPING THAT THE MP'S EXPENSES SCANDAL WILL SEE THE PUBLIC TURN TO THEM - CRUSH THE EVIL NAZI BASTARDS.
Posted by Cllr Terry Kelly at Monday, June 01, 2009
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Mural in Capletown, Leeds: Black man being deported by police while Labour politician says "We're sorry to deport you my friend, but if we don't then the public will vote BNP and they'll deport you."
Thanks for telling me how to vote mister, but try explaining to your wonderful Labour immigration minister that phrases such as "if we agree to the Ghurka's demands we will be flooded," is not too far removed from 'rivers of blood'. Didn't go down too well at our youth club I can tell you. Jack Straw's comments on the 'non-rights' of the Chagossian people was unadulterated racism. When are racist scum not scum? When they're in the Labour Party apparently.
I won't be voting BNP, nor will I be voting Labour. I've reached the point with Labour where I just can't go on anymore. The expenses scandal is just the last straw. I'm sorry it took the Torygraph to do it but the facts are there.
I'll be voting SNP not because I think they're sqeaky clean (a look at Salmonds expenses tells you all you need to know). I'll be using them as a tactical vote to unseat Labour in the vain hope the party take the bloody hint and get rid of the careerists, the chanchers and the deadwood. All I want is the Labour party back -the one I voted for more or less without fail every election.
I was patient when Kinnock betrayed the miners, I was patient when Clause 4 was dumped, I was patient when we got further into the EU, I was patient when we gave up control of the Bank of England, I was patient when we made a bad benefits system worse, I was patient when we followed America into stupid, illegal wars, I was patient in the vain hop[e that these were just a few compromises that had to be made on the way to a better future. Above all I was loyal and stupid. Well enough, I have no more loyalty or faith left. When the real Labour party are relocated I'll be back like a shot but the expenses scams are a betrayal too far.
So the labour Party is racist then; it’s strange that after nearly 40 years as a member I haven’t noticed that;or maybe it’s because you are so blinded by anti Labour rage that you spout this crap and persuade yourself that it’s true.
“Thanks for telling me how to vote mister”
What would you expect a Labour Councillor to do ? you seem a wee bit over the edge here, I sincerely hope that you are a member of this youth club and that you don’t have any other influence/roll in it.
From Kinnock and the miners to Iraq I agree with you but I’m not quitting.
I intend to stay in the party and fight for what I believe in which I suspect is much the same as you. I will go to my grave as a Labour Party man because there is no alternative if you want to see change to a fairer society.
The equal pay act, sex discrimination act, the minimum wage, millions of houses built after the Second World War, the NHS etc. etc. These achievements and many more are why I’m Labour and why I’m going to stay and fight not run away.
I'm glad you're not quitting. We'll need folk like you to rebuild the party. Real Labour is out there but it's not in power I've thought it backwards and forwards and I honestly can't see anything other than a hard defeat at the polls being effective to get real Labour back. The deadwood and careerists need to go, then we can get back on course.
On a local level my branch has degenerated to the point where it has nothing to do with Labour and everything to do with certain folk's career interests. Decent activists aren't giving up but being driven out. The worst example of this I can think of was an elderely man who made some very reasonable arguments against intervention in Kosovo being screamed at by people unfit to lick his boots and told he was exactly the sort of dinosaur we want rid of.
This was a man who'd fought in WW2, come home and spent every hour he wasn't working on either union activities or Labour party activities. None of that means he's right about everything or that the Labour party should slavishly follow his whims but it does make him worthy of respect. More recently he'd undertaken work on behalf of asylum seekers in the local area and such was his personal credibility he'd changed the opinions of many people who were opposed to their presence. He left the party over dawn raids -these being the last straw. How sickening it was to see the people who'd treated him with contempt at his funeral mourning their stepping stone and voting fodder. The truth is that's all that people like him were to them.
I'm not running away. I'm making a tactical retreat. I beleive a broad left alliance is the best way to bring about socialism but we've been put of course by some bad elements. I've never despised the Labour right or the pragmatists. I just expect those who represent us to do that and not treat it as another notch on the c.v.
Listen Mr Kelly: you are 'quitting'! By supporting a political clan that has betrayed its own people you are 'quitting' on the very ideals Labour was supposed to represent. In my local Labour Club, most are digusted and angry and will not vote Labour. By acting as a frontman for this corrupt caste, you are betraying these people-not listening to them. We need change now, not the same old cliches about the very loyalty the PLP has exploited just as ruthlessly as any factory owner. Perhaps your own nose is so far in the trough that you can't see the dire state we're in. Even trade unions are now talking of shifting their sponsorhsip. I suppose you would call them 'quitters' as well. Wake up!
Wouldn`t vote Labour if you paid me. As far as I am concerned the Labour Party is the party of Non-tolerance. They certainly do not represent the view of the working class (real people who actually work).
If fact I would go as far to say that they are the real Racist party.
I can understand your frustration but I can’t agree with your chosen method of protesting; what we need is tens of thousands of new members who join because they are socialists; that would be the right and quickest way to sort things out.
I have core beliefs which I will never waver on and chief among them is the fight for socialism, that is why I can’t leave and can’t let the people you describe win.
Like I say I'm glad you're staying and I hope to be back but remember you're a councillor with a position and more of a voice than the average member. My local branch is rotten from top to bottom, a lot of the good people have been lost to old age and ill health but the generation that should have followed have been driven out by despicable individuals who should have no place in the Labour Party. On a local level they're in the majority and dissent is not tolerated. I don't know your area well but I'm guessing you have a good branch. I and better folk than me have tried fighting and lost the battle -the only way we can see to win the war is to do our best to unseat the careerists and their hangers on and then rebuild.
Glad to see you are in an alleged "fight for socialism" Terry. Would that be the complete replacement of the capitalist system or a continuation of capitalism (like under previous Labour Governments)?
That's right! We need 'thousands' of socialists to 'join' what is now a right-wing Party, vote for and support non-socialist policies and illegal wars, and applaud while Allan Sugar visits the leader of that Party to boost his slave wage ventures! Typical! Disneyland beckons!
Unfortunately the Labour Party no longer has anything to do with socialism.
It has become very far removed from the values that it stood for and the acheivements that you mentioned.
I also believe that they need to be removed from power, however, that is now a certainty anyway.
I sincerely hope that they can find their way back to the values of the ordinary working man, however, I am deeply ashamed of this current Labour Party and I can no longer give them my vote after 28 years of support.
Alan Johnson is the new Home Secretary. Here's his record on what I consider key points...
ID Cards - he voted FOR them
Ammendments to Disability Allowance (the infamous 'get the fake cripples to work' initiative)-He supported it.
Student Fees - he voted FOR them
War - he voted FOR it (every one of them).
PFI-He's a supporter
Trident-He voted for it (along with the Tories).
A worthy successor to the Neanderthal Jacquie Smith.
Yet more reasons for me not to vote for Labour. But hey, wait a minute-there's no 'alternartive' right? I'm a left winger and at university, often trying to get younger people interested in social issues, anti-racism, and political work. But with this cynical and worthless lot in power it is killing any real hope. They are shaming us all. What the hell are you playing at? We've had enough!
The problem is though, new peole join and then there's nothing to keep hem there. I joined full of passion and enthusiasm, but locally there was very little to channel that enthusiasm into - apart from meetings consisting largely of debate over the constitution and how the meeting should be run, rather than any real discussion or action.
Mr. Anonymous; this is My record.
– ID Cards – against – Amendments to Disability Allowance – against – Student Fees – against – War – against – PFI – against – Trident – against.
It seems the only difference between us is that I’m in there fighting while you are posing for the young students; are you the alternative ?
I am involved in fighting for a change to socialism; that entails refusing to give up; when I think of the words “let cowards cringe and traitors sneer” I think of people like you, if you don’t have the stomach for the fight we are better off without you.
Having the stomach would mean identifying yourself when you accuse someone of corruption; you are an underhand coward.
I have a policy of trying to print everything that is sent to me; no matter how puerile.
It is not necessary to leave to rebuild; building the membership is the best way.
“The only constant is change” (Leon Trotsky)
I decided at about the age of 15 that I would settle for nothing less than the complete overthrow of capitalism; (I was a precocious teenager) and that remains my position.
I assume from your anti Labour gibe that you are involved in politics? Care to enlighten us? I’m always interested in alternatives.
We need a mass party of the left so we need thousands to join and then elect left wing representatives who in turn elect a left wing Govt.
I think you might find this difficult to grasp by the sound of you. What is your proposal; I’m waiting with bated breath.
That is just another way of saying “I quit, I surrender” I will never do that even although I do not expect to see the change I seek before it’s time to pop off; there are plenty of good socialists in the party; you are deserting them as well.
I have never needed anything other than my desire to see a fairer society; a socialist society to keep me in the Party.
We win some battles and we lose some but that’s the long term aim; that’s what makes it worthwhile.
Listen Mr Chocolate Orange, you can babble all you want about your postion on ID cards and the rest, but we are talking about ministers and the government and what is now policy-not the local mouthpiece-every Party has its local secon-raters. If socialists have any influence at all how come these policies are up and running in the first place? Answer: work-shy party hacks like you are always around to tell people that these policies do not really represent Labour and are a temporary mistake or some such. Trouble is, this can only last so long, over a decade or so of this drivel and people start to wonder what it is they are really supporting.
Hey,Terry-where's the wig shop? Kelly, it's not as easy being a student as you seem to think, especially since your wonderful fees came in. By the way, you don't look like you've used a shovel or a pick for a while and you sure don't look undernourished. Try working for a living before you talk of 'posing for the students'. Like they other guy said, why bother? There is no discussion with such as you, only a droning call to 'join and wait-'join and wait'-'join and-'no alternative'-'no alternative'..... You say you 'opposed' ID cards and so on. How? A few cheap phrases no doubt so you can pose for the locals? See its easy! Cheerio!
'Coward'-fine!-name your time and place!
Mandelson, Sugar and now Glenys Kinnock, all in government, all unelected. Does yer man not believe in democracy?
Nothing new here this has always been the case, there is nothing unusual about such appointments.
Policies are put in place when they are backed by a majority; rocket science right? Do you reckon that insulting someone makes them wrong and you right?
As I thought; it didn’t take long for you to unravel did it? There must be some really gullible students around if they are listening to someone like you.
Are you finding it difficult to locate me? I must stop being so secretive.
If you are not an unprincipled coward I will just have to accept that there is someone out there called “anonymous”
Don't understand the 'nothing unusual about this' argument. There's 'nothing unusual' about corporate capitalism maximising its profts, but presumably you're against this. In any case, I thought you were supposed to be 'fighting' against right-wing vampires like Sugar getting his paws on more political influence, not justifying them with a few disinterested phrases. Sounds like you've already admitted defeat and that you know can't do a thing about it!
Kelly @ 6.41
'Nothing unusual here.'
Ok, give me the last time a PM, himself with no mandate from the electorate, felt it proper to bring in to government a mortgage liar, a reality TV businessman with a not totally successful track record and a woman who rode to prominence on her husband's E.U gravy train? And do it via the Lords, which means they avoid the Dispatch Box.
'I decided at about the age of 15 that I would settle for nothing less than the complete overthrow of capitalism; (I was a precocious teenager) and that remains my position.' What!? All that time and still just a Mickey Mouse councillor? Maybe Marx was right: each according to his need each to his own ability!
'Avanti Poplo'? (it's 'popolo' dummkopf!
'Policies are put in place when they are backed by a majority; rocket science right?'-Yep, in this case a Labour/Tory majority, tee-hee! Stand proud you boyos, you've earned it!
"Are you finding it difficult to locate me? I must stop being so secretive.
"If you are not an unprincipled coward I will just have to accept that there is someone out there called “anonymous”."
Come come, these matters are better dealt with in private, man to man. Let us see what you can manage by way of a proper show rather than all this childish and amusing banter. By convention and prerogative, the choice of method of engagement is mine, the place and time yours-this is common and accepted practice. Let us have the thing done with. Name your place and time.
Captain Nathan Richard McClaws (Royal Marines, retired)
I am not a quitter by nature but I've been driven out my party. As I said befor my branch is rotten from top to bottom. All the good folk were outnumbered to the point of irrelevance or driven out long ago. Believe me 15-20 years ago someone with views like yours would have been more than welcome in our branch. Now you'd be lucky to get out alive.
The big mistake we made was to compromise with New Labour -we accepted a rotten candidate from above who over time brought in their own people and stole our branch. There was no need for what happened to us we were a very successful branch -so much so that people who'd never norma;lly vote Labour used to back our candidate at council elections. Not because they agreed with him but because he was such a grafter and worked so well on behalf of his constituents.
We've tried everything to sort this mess out and no one helps us out. As far as I'm concerned there is no Labour branch in my area.
I wish you the very best of luck and hope that everyone wioth a real Labour candidate in their constituency votes Labour come the election but in my area and a few others I sincerely hope Labour are pounded.
"PFI - against"
Do we really need to go and check how you voted for PFI schools? Do we?
I think it would be helpful if the Che Guevara of Old Paisley town explained his resistance or even his voting record. Or are you going to argue its not PFI but PPP?
You really are delusional - a bit like Brown
It’s not me who has admitted defeat, I might call Gordon and tell him to ditch Sugar.
The electorate does not elect the Prime Minister; they elect a Government; the majority party elects it’s leader who becomes prime Minister. The prime Minster then brings people in to Government as he sees fit. All Govt’s have expert advisers; you are clearly a bit desperate if you think this is an issue.
Are you quoting Groucho Marx?
Karl said the following “From each according to his ability, to each according to his need”
you complete eejit.
Well; I’ve gone and done it now haven’t I? I’ve provoked a retired Royal Marines Captain; complete with the obligatory three names name as well.
A captain who doesn’t seem capable of finding me; must have been off with a runny nose when they did map reading eh? Shades of those other military heroes William and Harry, still; an ex British Army Captain! I had better watch my back.
“I sincerely hope Labour are pounded” you seem to be getting your wish; I‘ll carry on though
Do you need to have the concept of collective responsibility explained to you or is it a lie of omission?
Kelly @ 12.36
Terry, these are not 'Advisers,' these are members of cabinet.
There are, at the last count, seven of them and because they sit in the Lords, they cannot be hauled to the despatch box and questioned on the decisions they take.
You dont have a problem with this?
And, in case you missed it, Labour were elected initially, because of Tony Blair, not because they were 'Labour'
Stand back everyone, nothing to see here. It's just collective responsibilty that makes you ditch your principles and core values. Oh and of course the dosh/career that goes with it.
Against PFI but voted for it anyway, what else have you ditched Terry?
“It's just collective responsibilty that makes you ditch your principles”
I haven’t ditched any principles you display a breathtaking ignorance of the political process.
The dosh and career you refer to is £15,000 per year and a council seat; at the age of 60 I’m definitely on my way to conquering the world right?
Here man Kelly, keep it up mate, you're really a laugh a minute. You claim the SSP put up a 'Curran' as a dirty underhand political trick, but when it comes out that it was Labour that selected a 'Curran' "after" the selection of the SSP candidate, then this is merely coincidental. Hilarious!
C'mon man! Gimme another laugh, tell me about Allan-I like to I degrade my employees-Sugar's Labour Party card! Go on, give it a try at least! Wear some baggy trousers and some big shoes while you're doing it, and I might even throw you a tip! Politics as burlesque-great value!
Maybe you are on to something here; we put up a Curran to try to steal Big Frankie’s votes.
Curran Labour – 10,912 – 41.7%
Curran SSP - 555 - 2.1%
There’s no business like show business right? You should pursue a career as a gag writer you are a natural.
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