The above title should remind us that we can forgive Bishop Joseph Devine for his latest anti Gay outburst.
"they are giving that Gay actor Ian McEllen a knighthood for helping the gay community while Oscar Wild got the jail for it, whatever next" ? "that gay mob are trying to stitch themselves to Holocaust day to get sympathy" and " don't shoot the messenger it's him (pointing upwards to God) who's saying it no me"
At this point several people are heard to say 'hey landlord we've listened to enough of this old eejit's rambling, can you no bar him" if only this were true but, alas it's not the local bar room bigot talking it's Bishop Joseph Devine, leader of the Catholic flock in Motherwell and man of God.
Old Joe, wasn't at the seminary the day the student priests got the lecture about (loving one another) and (treating others as you would have them treat you) he might also have missed that bit about gentle loving Jesus as well.
He stands four square behind that other Christian SNP activist, 'Holy Brian Souter' both vehemently anti labour ( we must be doing something right ) or is Brian behind Joe ? anyway is he right ? is the church right ?
It's worth remembering that the Church can be wrong, take Galileo for example, generally regarded as a guy with some smarts, he fell out with the Pope when he said that the Earth circled the Sun while the Pope said it was the Sun that circled the Earth because God created the Earth, this wasn't a philosophical discussion over a beer BTW.
Galileo was shown the latest torture methods and asked to reconsider which he did and concurred, as I said he had some smarts.
So does Old Joe still think that the Sun goes round the Earth ? (that was rhetorical in case anyone jumps on it) The Church was wrong then and it's wrong now.
The Bishops remarks are an insult to Christianity and to many, many Catholics, is it any wonder so many churches are now 'cash n carries' ?
Does he stop to think of the effect of such rabble rousing, does it ever worry him that someone might suffer physically because of his diatribe ?
The Catholic Church states that we should treat Gays with Respect, Compassion and Sensitivity, weasel words, insinuating something is wrong with them.
The Church will continue to be guilty of bigotry until it scraps this statement and replaces it with something much more simple like,
"Some people are gay some are not but, we are all equal"
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Couldn't agree more!
I have never heard of him.
But he does sound like a nasty piece of work.
Is he saying that the establishment is hypocritical or is he trying to show they have went soft? The context is not clear from your quote. Either way he is wrong - but one way he is also a fool.
That would be like saying all the black people need to go out and start picking cotton again.
Here endeth the agreement. I am sure hostilities will recommence shortly.
I think that "to forgive" title has to be the first witty and intelligent thing you've said on this blog.
Which surely begs the question, if these "celibate" men are telling you how to live your life, why are you still a member of the catholic church - as you are so proud to admit?
You are quite the hypocrite Terry. I asked you about Mr Devine before but because it didn't suit you didn't bother to answer, but now it is a "big" thing you think you can get some reaction.
Well, what can you expect from people who rattle beads and squirrel riches away in the Vatican.
(Anonymous) 14/03/08
“why are you still a member of the catholic church - as you are so proud to admit“
Where did I say that ? It doesn’t sound like me at all, I think you made that up.
Your comments about Bishop Devine are equally dodgy.
anonymous - Friday March 14 2008 7:24 pm
You haven't been paying attention. I'm frequently witty and always intelligent.
(Serpico) 10:19
What about all the others ? What’s their excuse ?
Bishop Devine does not have the support he thinks within the Catholic Church.
He’s a decent enough man who is blinded by prejudice and he’s not unique, that’s the real problem.
Anon,
As far as I am aware Terry is a lapsed Catholic and given that there has been no mention of any religious affiliation on his council website for at least 18months, I don't think he could be described as a 'proud catholic'. Unless of course you know something we don't
Hang on, didn't Fidel not only hold the same views as Bishop Devine, but also have the clout to do something about it?
Alas poor Fidel. Like Devine,in the words of Terry, he's 'a decent enough man, who is blinded by prejudice.'
(Terryexpert) 14:45
When people who are writing hostile comments to me resort to this kind of thing I’m comforted by two things.
1/ I am getting under their skin.
2/ I am winning the argument.
If disagreeing on an issue with the Catholic Church makes someone a ‘lapsed catholic’ then there must be an awful lot of us, some even priests.
(Anonymous) 15:33
There is an awful lot of things said about Fidel, but surely the salient point is that, if they are true he, unlike Bishop Devine has changed his attitude ?
Kelly 5.04
Councillor what are your grounds for saying Fidel has changed his attitude?
(Macnasty) 17/03/08
Newspapers, magazines, internet, information from friends who visit the place, quite normal grounds I would have thought.
I've not seen the articles you mention and as none of my friends are rich enough to visit Cuba, we'll differ on Fidel's change of heart.
But, only now that Castro has gone can Cubans have some of lifes little goodies, like microwaves, P.C.'s, DVD players/recorders, washing machines.
Had Fidel's writ run in Kelly Towers, Mrs Kelly might not have been too thrilled.
(Macnasty) 18/03/08
You have very poor ambitions indeed, what comes first DVD’s or Health Care ? Microwaves or Education ?
You are a poor soul aren’t you, have you any idea about poverty in western countries ? 18,000 homeless in New York City alone !
Kelly @ 6.52
"Which comes first, microwaves, health, dvd's or education?"
Yours is an interesting take on the subject, you poor misguided lefty.
You seem to be telling me that Fidel offerred his parishioners a choice of 'either/or.'
I'm not convinced he did this, but even giving you the benefit of the doubt, he screwed up big time on health and education.
And in a spirit of solidarity, did you really forbid microwaves etc at Casa Kelly? I think we should be told.
(Macnasty) 19:40
No, Fidel thought, rightly that universal health care and education should be put before microwaves.
If he screwed up in education and health, America must be some place because Cuba has better health care and education than the USA does.
'Cuba has better health care and education than America.'
Where in the name of Allah does that put the UK?
Or are you exaggerating somewhat?
"If he screwed up in education and health, America must be some place because Cuba has better health care and education than the USA does."
That's right. People from all over the world flock to Cuba for operations and university degrees....NOT!
(Anonymous) 19/03/08
Even Cuba’s critics accept that their record on health and education is remarkable and better than the USA.
(Jack McGurk) 20/03/08
Cuba trains doctors from America who can’t afford to go to medical school in the U.S. and thousands of Cuban doctors have been treating the sick in
3 Rd. World countries for decades.
Kelly @ 1.23
'Thousands of Cuban doctors are treating the sick in third world countries.'
How true, but you missed out the bit about thousands of Cuban soldiers ensuring those countries remain third world - remember Mad Bob's Zimbabwe and Angola?
(Macnasty) 14:49
Nicaragua, Chile, Iraq, Palestine, South Africa, El Salvador, Vietnam, need I go on ?
Kelly @ 14.49
Yes Councillor, you do need to go on.
You have made no attempt to explain Cuban army involvement in Zimbabwe and Angola.
Instead you have come up with a disparate group of countries who's relevance escapes me.
So, lets have the Kelly thoughts on Castro's support for Mad Bob and the genocide in Angola.
(Macnasty) 17:30
The relevance of these countries would be obvious to anyone with an interest in politics.
I list them to illustrate the stupidity of your argument.
Kelly 8.24
Answer the question Kelly. Where do you stand on Castro's involvement in Zimbabwe and Angola.
(Macnasty) 21/03/08
Cuba assisted Angola in military terms and with restructuring following independence and helped them see off the South African threat to them.
They assisted Zimbabwe in a similar way and they continue to support them.
Bush of course condemns them so what’s new ? You will continue to swallow the CIA line and I will continue to seek the truth.
Kelly @ 11.53
Cuba assisted Mad Bob in Matabeleland by training the 5th Brigade in ethnic cleansing.
They also took their expertise to Angola with genocide in mind.
Look it up, Councillor, Castro's Cowboys make the Israelis look like Mother Theresa's hand maidens.
(Macnasty) 18:34
Is that what passes for an argument with you ? Honestly, what is the point in you writing ?
I've never been tempted to kick someone out for being utterly banal before but, please try harder.
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