Tuesday, March 04, 2008


Tony Blair - Middle East envoy, where the hell are you ?
Why the uncharacteristic silence ? Why the even more uncharacteristic shyness ?

In the past week 4 Israelis were killed, 3 were soldiers and 1 a civilian, at the same time 120 Palestinians were killed 60 were civilians, I believe that figure of 60 should be much higher because every time the Israelis kill a Palestinian they describe him/her as a terrorist, without proof.

Some people regard these figures as a proper response when it really amounts to a war crime, and Israel threatened worse by saying that Gaza could face a 'holocaust' that emotive word and what it means cannot be underestimated, this is genocide, the kill ratio for 2007 is 40 to 1 in Israel's favour.
Make no mistake, this is state terror by Israel, Britain and most other countries shamefully look on and do nothing.

Gaza is the world's biggest jail it's people are being collectively punished for democratically electing Hammas who have offered a truce which 64% of Israelis now support, Bush doesn't though so the brutality continues.
If Israel abandoned it's illegal occupation and gave refugees displaced by them the right of return the violence would stop, but still they continue the slaughter.

Collective punishment - targeting civilians - cutting water and electricity,
does the state of Israel have no shame ? no mercy ?

Gaza and it's people are desperate, children are now suffering from
malnutrition and the wounded and sick are not receiving treatment, people who can't get specialist care in Gaza are not being allowed to leave. This is Israel today, "The Holy Land" it has to stop, it has to be condemned, write to your MP and MSP to demand a halt.

The memories of those Jews who perished in such dreadful circumstances in WW2 are being besmirched by the behaviour of Israel today. Along with many Jews I find myself asking how, given their past can they treat another people in this way ?

M.A.P.( Medical Aid for Palestinians) is an organisation which is there on the ground in Gaza, they desperately need financial help to buy medical equipment, I have sent a donation and I urge everyone to do the same, send to :-

Medical Aid for Palestinians,
33a Islington Park Street,
London N1 1BR.


This Is Alba said...

Yes, Tony Blair will be/is an ineffective envoy. Most of us realised this months ago. But it begs the question why are you a member of a party which has stuck up for Israel every single time since it took power in 1997?

Defect... you know you want to ;)

ShrekBall said...

I thought you despised anyone and everyone who promoted their own charitable giving?

ShrekBall said...

I have always been lead to believe that the Israeli armed forces are the most efficient and feared in the world. One would imagine that the Syrians and Egyptians would tend to agree.

I only mention this because if they are committing genocide then they have taken over 50 years to wipe out 1.5 million people from an area of land about 360 square kilometers. Also according to latest estimates the Israeli population growth is 1.15% compared to the 3.66% in the Gaza Strip.

If I were a genocidal murdering race with an internationally recognised elite armed forces I would expect to exterminate such a mismatched race a damned sight quicker than that.

Some wags could even conclude that with a male life expectancy at birth of 70 (6 years less than us Brits, 7 less than the evil Zionist occupiers) the Jews are not really up to this genocide business and should think about subcontracting.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(This Is Alba) 14:01

You are clearly more interested in having a partisan go at me and Labour than you are in what is going on in the Middle east.

Considering the tragedy which is unfolding that makes you a bit of a low life. I take it you are a Nat.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(ShrekBall) 14:04

That remark says more about you than it does about me. There is a tragedy happening in the Middle East and that’s what you come up with, what kind of creep are you ?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(ShrekBall) 14:27

You continue to paint a clear picture of yourself, as I said before, what kind of creep are you ?

ShrekBall said...

The kind of creep that researches a position and found that the population of the Gaza Strip is increasing which is kind of at odds with your narrative that the Jews are systematically exterminating them.

If we accept that I am a creep so that you don't feel the need to revisit it can you clarify how you came to the conclusion that a race is being exterminated while their population increases and their life expectancy is comparable with Israel?

Or do you prefer to deal with vagueness and "what you know" rather than inconvenient facts?

Anonymous said...


Why dont the mega-rich kingdom of Saudi Arabia do more to alleviate the suffering of the Palistinian peoples?. After all they are part of their sainted Muslim bretherin.

The Saudis seem to have an awfully lot of money to donate, when it comes to the building of Wahibi Mosques around the Western world, but their silence is deafening when confronted with this issue.

Are we nothing more than their "Kafur" patsies?.

I include this link, to back-up my argument, in regard to this issue.


If you can answer my queries in a satisfactory mannor, I will give you my word, that I will donate to the Palistinian cause...

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(ShrekBall) 15:38
I believe that Israel’s actions in Gaza amount to an act of genocide and that you seem to find it a trivial subject suitable for humour, that’s the kind of creep you are.

When the Israeli deputy defence minister threatens the Palestinian s with a ’holocaust’ what would you call it ?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Seeyoulater) 15:56

Why don’t the wealthy people all over the world contribute to the cause of their fellow human beings who are being persecuted in Gaza ? Why introduce Muslim ?

Why don’t the wealthy help to rid the world of poverty, ignorance and disease ?
Welcome to the Socialist cause.

Anonymous said...

My goodness! This councillor has no end of charm, has he not?

You ask where Tony Blair is? Er ... might it be that as a peace envoy he is quietly negotiating? As he did in Northern Ireland for years? As for uncharacteristically silent - to those of us who think the biggest mistake his party made was replacing him - he has been far TOO silent since leaving power. I miss his balanced arguments and his understanding of the complexities of issues.

I don't know anything about your relationship with voters or shrekball, but you have some way to go before I'd consider voting for you. And that's even putting aside the one-sidedness of your arguments.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Anonymous) 17:25

“And that's even putting aside the one-sidedness of your arguments“

Guilty as charged, well spotted.

I argue my side of the case, presumably you argue for both ? You’ve got me now.

Anonymous said...

Shades of George Galloway and Iraq. Donate to M.A.P.?

Kelly, you dear, sweet, naive thing, let me give you a brief seminar on Middle East/African policy regarding Aid.

Fifty percent is skimmed by those at the top, to be used later and meanwhile sent to Switzerland for safekeeping, while the remaining fifty percent is used to fund their current lifestyle. In the case of Palestinian terrorists, this includes buying more rockets targetted at Israel.

Donate to M.A.P? I'd rather spend a night of passion with you in the Apex Centre.

If you're giving to anyone, make it the Salvation Army. They're not smart, they're not clever. They just do good work where it's needed.
Macnasty (forgot to sign in before posting)

Anonymous said...

Tory Blair is too busy raking in his blood money on wall street. After all he has to get his cut of Iraqi oil.

it must be great walking around with a blood stained membership card like the Labour party.

This Is Alba said...

Terry you didn't answer the question. Labour and Tony Blair have backed Israel to the hilt. You even have a organisation called 'Labour friends of Israel'. While your party is content with maintaining it's 'bilateral' relations rockets are flying over into the strip.

The reality is you're only a socialist in name. You continue to stand up for a party that has abandoned all pretence of standing up for working class Scotland/Britain. There is no internal 'solidarity' with Palestine. Instead of addressing the question you throw around accusations and taunts. Your membership of a party that has purged all elements of socialist thinking makes you a hypocrit. Either that or you have no idea what socialism really means.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Anonymous) 05/03/08

Not only are you at odds with Mr. Galloway and me but also Oxfam, Amnesty, Save the Children, Care International and the U.N. but you know better don’t you.

What a miserable excuse for a human being.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Anonymous) 05/03/08

Attacking me and the Labour Party does nothing to help the people of Gaza but that’s all you can think of. You are a non person.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(This Is Alba) 10:49

I take it from this that you will be reinforcing the Scottish stereotype and keeping your sporran tightly closed.

I’m also a friend of Israel, so are many many others including Israelis and Jews around the world who agree with me.

Labour’s position is an immediate end to the violence from both sides, how does that constitute backing Israel to the hilt.

I’ve been in the Labour party for 36 Yrs. And I have never met any member who does not support Palestinian rights - the end of the occupation and the return of refugees.

You are either a lazy incompetent or a liar.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Anonymous) 05/03/08

Does nepotism go on in Cuba ? Like every other country in the world the answer is probably yes.

Show me where I have said that I hate any of these people - I try like hell not to hate anyone even anonymous cowards like you.

This Is Alba said...

It's interesting you're now describing yourself as a friend of the very country you just accused of genocide. That dear Terry is defined as inconsistency.

PS: Incompetent is an adjective not a noun. Buy yourself a dictionary.

ShrekBall said...


You misrepresent me. I have made no comment on what is happening to those people. I have simply taken the piss out of your incorrect definition of a genocide.

"When the Israeli deputy defence minister threatens the Palestinian s with a ’holocaust’ what would you call it ?"

Minor alteration of a local authority budget?

Seriously though Terry, your actions and comments in another thread this past week have shown that you are unqualified to pontificate on the use of the word "Holocaust".

Rumbold said...


The word used was 'disaster', not Holocaust. Reuters translated it incorrectly and then it was picked up by all the major papers, so the damage was done.

Serpico said...

"Considering the tragedy which is unfolding that makes you a bit of a low life. I take it you are a Nat."

"You are either a lazy incompetent or a liar."

"what kind of creep are you ?"

Translation: Your cogent arguments have me stumped. Here are some random insults while I beat a hasty retreat

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(This Is Alba) 14:04

I am a friend of Israel that’s what friends do for each other, they tell the truth, like the many Israelis and Jews who agree with me.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(ShrekBall) 14:42

I think your preference for semantics when carnage is going on in the middle east is revealing.

“Seriously though Terry, your actions and comments in another thread this past week” explain.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Rumbold) 17:09

That’s correct but I can’t find any reference to any attempt to undo the damage by Israel.

Whatever one blood curdling threat is much like another and there’s no shortage of them coming from Israel.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Serpico) 17:55

You should read some of the comments that are sent to me, starting with yours.

Macnasty said...

Kelly @ 12.14

Absolutely right Terry. I am at odds with Galloway and all the useless, self important, hand wringing, tree hugging, knit-your-own-chappati organisations you mention.
It's also quite disgraceful that you are happy donate to a Palestinian cause, but not to the Sally Army, who work with those sleeping rough in Glasgow.

Macnasty said...

Kelly @ 6.17
'I am a friend of Israel.'

Terry, even by your standards, that statement is ludicrous. What are you planning next - fan letters to the CIA? A photo of Alex over your bed? Re-instating all the nice people you've barred?

Or have Mossad been round to Kelly Towers?

Anonymous said...

Could I ask if I may, how you would have voted yourself the other night, in regard to the E.U. referendum debate, if you were an M.P., and not a Councillor?.

I apologise for coming away from the subject at hand, but feel that the E.U. is also of pressing concern.


ShrekBall said...

If you followed the link there should be no explanation necessary.

I suppose it is semantics. But it is also about the mis-use of the English language to stifle debate and scaremonger. 45 minutes and all that.

You still have not clarified how a population on the grow with a really healthy life expectancy can be the subject of an ongoing genocide. Unless you now wish to withdraw that word and substitute it for something less emotive?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Macnasty) 06/03/08

Well that’s the U.N. put in their place then.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Macnasty) 06/03/08

You are too dumb to understand.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Timeforbed) 07/03/08

Given those circumstances I would have voted for a referendum.

I have always been opposed to membership of Europe but not for the same reasons as Bill Cash & Co. They are ‘little Englanders’ I’m opposed because it’s nothing more than a large capitalist club.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(ShrekBall) 09:01

I regard it as too serious to play these games, look at what happened yesterday. Am I scaremongering ?

You are in a very dishonourable position.

ShrekBall said...

But what qualities make it a genocide?

Macnasty said...

Kelly @ 12.10
'You are too dumb to understand.'

Spot on as usual, Cllr.

So come on, be kind and explain how you, a racist bigot who refused to condemn Palestinian suicide bombers even when they attacked his home city can claim to be 'a friend of Israel.'

Comrade Castro said...

Cllr Kelly,

Are you aware that Israel is the only true democray in the Middle East, surrounded by half-a-dozen Arab and Islamic dictatorships that would love nothing more than finish what Hitler started (not that they would admit to there being a holocaust in the first place)?

Under those circumstances, Israel has every right to defend itself against such aggression.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Macnasty) 16:13

Not for the first time I can’t make any sense of this.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Comrade Castro) 16:35

I can’t see anything or anyone in the Middle East that comes anywhere near the crimes committed by Israel.

They are not a good advert for democracy, they are the cause of the problem .

Macnasty said...

Kelly 16.13
'I can't make any sense of this.'

Let me spell it out Cllr. I called you a racist bigot because though you're happy to condemn Israel, you will not condemn Palestinian suicide bombers, even those criminals who tried to blow up Glasgow Airport. Neither did you have words of praise for those who stopped them.

In my book that makes you as culpable as any terrorist and a fool unfit to hold public office.

Now, yesterday a Palestinian gunman opened fire in a Jerusalem seminary, killing eight and wounding nine. Who gets the Kelly words of sympathy - the bereaved, the injured or the Palestinian?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Macnasty) 07/03/08

Condemning Israel is not racist, it’s me telling the truth.

I have condemned and do condemned all terrorism.

I think the people involved at Glasgow Airport were very brave.

“Who gets the Kelly words of sympathy - the bereaved, the injured or the Palestinian”

All three, I regret the deaths of everyone who suffers in the Middle East, no matter what their background is.

The suffering of these people is no different from the suffering of the 120 Palestinians who were killed a week ago, perhaps you wouldn’t agree, the press certainly don’t.

Macnasty said...

Kelly @ 7.47
'I have condemned and do condemn all terrorists.'

As ever Terry, economical with the actualitie.

If memory serves,what you said at the time was on the lines "I understand/sympathise with these people and in the same circumstances, I hope I and my children would have the same sort of courage." Not exactly condemnation is it?

The Commenter you were replying to pointed out that whilst that made you better martyr material than him, it also made you a bloody awful father.

Comrade Castro said...

I have condemned and do condemned all terrorism.

I think the people involved at Glasgow Airport were very brave.

Which people were brave, the terrorists and the heroes who stopped them?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Macnasty) 09/03/08

Well, if you were witnessing your land being invaded and civilians including children being murdered by the invader you would probably run away or collaborate with them, and raise your children to do the same.

That in your opinion would make you a better father than me, thank god you weren’t around during WW2.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Comrade Castro) 12:51

We have been over this many times those who attacked the terrorists were very brave but what of the bombers ?

If a person who is educated and highly trained (in this case a doctor) decides to do something like this knowing that he will in all probability die in the process, is he acting bravely ?

What do you think ? Is he a fanatic, possibly, is he acting wrongly, certainly. Is he a coward ? Well !

It’s vital to try to understand what motivates these people, condemnation of their actions is correct but it won’t on it’s own put a stop to it. It’s far too important to allow revenge to be our only reaction, that’s the courageous way forward, not taking the easy option.

Jack McGurk said...

"thank god you weren’t around during WW2."

Just as well McNasty wasn't around, you'd sell him to the Nazis along with the Jew.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

(Jack McGurk) 15:39

This makes no contribution to the debate and is all to typical of you.