The beastly Iranians pulled a dirty trick and captured 15 of our brave British sailors. They then subjected them to unspeakable deprivations too horrible to recount, and made them lie to the world, as always our heroes stood up to their evil captors with the good old bull dog spirit which has made our proud country the ruler of the waves, god bless her and them etc. etc. They faced the 'bumping pitch and blinding light' like true British Sailors.
An easy victory and publicity triumph was achieved by the Iranians when 15 British sailors surrendered to them without a fight, our lot acted like a bunch of bloody 'Johnny Foreigners', everyone of them should go before a court martial and be drummed out of Her Majesty's Navy. They now have the audacity to sell their stories to the press, how dare they, it will take a long, long time before the British Empire lives this down.
Who wrote which of the above accounts ? Actually, they both come from right wing sources, the same people who immediately started flag waving several days later turned on them with a vengeance.
From heroes to cowards in the British Tory press only takes a day or two, how typical of the right, no real loyalty to anyone except themselves, what a mess they've got themselves into.
The armchair combatants and ringside fighters are apoplectic and it is an extremely ugly site.
I hope everyone is having a good hard look at them, Biggles and Colonel Blimp how are ye ?
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Can you post the links to the original articles? I would guess no because you have clearly made these up.
What colour is the sky in your world?
Who wrote which of the above accounts ? Actually, they both come from right wing sources
At this point, in normal circumstances, you'd point us in the direction of the sources...
Of course, one has to look under every last stone in the leftist press before you find a difference of opinion
Twat
Terry the right wing have not turned on the soldiers they are criticising the MoD for allowing them to sell their stories.
Terry are you reading the same newspapers and watching the same news channels as the rest of us?
Links, Man. You must use links.
Without them, we suspect you are just making stuff up, taking it out of context or putting what you think right-wingers might say (in your paranoid fantasy world).
This post (if at all possible) makes you look even more of an idiot.
The offer of a pint is still open... But don't worry you didn't offend me!
A bit of a fallacious premise there Terry. If they had come from the same source, then you may have had a point. I'm assuming they come from two seperate sources though. Any chance of some links? Oh, and "they're both right wing" doesn't count as one source. =D
Good luck for this election. Ignore these stupid people. One day the red flag will fly in all countries like John Lennon but not so lazy.
Here is my best Socialist song. FOR THE RED FLAG TERRY!!!!!! DON'T BELIEVE THE LIES!!!!!
Mt. Paektu reaches across
To shape our beautiful land.
Cheers resound all over the land,
Hailing our dear General.
He's the leader of the people,
Carrying forward the Sun's cause.
Long live, long live, General Kim Jong Il.
All blossoms on this earth
Tell of his love, broad and warm.
Blue East and West Seas sing
His exploits in their song.
He is the artist of great joy,
Glorifying the garden of Juche.
Long live, long live, General Kim Jong Il.
Socialist cause he defends
With iron will and courage.
He raises national honour
Far and wide throughout the world.
He is the champion of justice,
Standing for independence.
Long live, long live, General Kim Jong Il.
I LOVE TERRY
BEST OF ALL THE SOCIALISTS
I LOVE TERRY
HE'S MY FRIEND!!!!!!!!!!
A SONG FOR TERRY_ VERY GOOD MAN YES!!!!!!!!
He said to me he wanted to be near to me
He said he never wanted to be out of my sight
But it's too late to give this boy my love tonight
Please wait at the gate of heaven for me, Terry.
He said to me he wanted to be close by my side
We had a quarrel, I was untrue on the night he died
And it's too late to tell this boy how great was
Please wait at the gate of heaven for me, Terry.
He rode into the night, accelerated his motorbike
I cried to him in fright, don't do it, don't do it, don.t do it.
He said to me you are the one I want to be with
He said to me you are the one who my love I shall give
One day he'll know how hard I prayed for him to live
Please wait at the gate of heaven for me, Terry.
He rode into the night, accelerated his motorbike
I cried to him in fright, don't do it, don't do it, don.t do it.
He said to me you are the one I want to be with
He said to me you are the one who my love I shall give
One day he'll know how hard I prayed for him to live
Please wait at the gate of heaven for me, Terry.
Terry, Terry, Terry
Talk about under sieege. These people are insane.
Great site! Don't let the B********S grind you down.
Sorry to go off topic but has the Labour manifesto been released yet?
Have you ever considered taking up Yoga?
Do you believe in God?
Any plans to prevent abuse of the helix?
Meet me in the bathroom! Quick we don't have much time to stop the capitalists!
For once I actually agree with some of what you said. The behaviour of the media is as always disgraceful. We expect that.
However, a lot of my venom is reserved for the real cowards in this. Ladies and Gentlemen, I give the arch weasel Des Browne. He's gone from "It was a Navy decision, not my responsibility." to "It was a Navy decision, but I am after all the Defence Secretary." He even had to qualify his statement taking responsibility. His boss is on better, keeping well away from the whole stink. Of course, he's had his fun with this, painting the rosy picture that somehow he did something that got these personnel released. I predicted when they were captutred that there would be a stink, the Iranians would make some sort of polticial cpaital from all this, and they would be released. Tony knew this too, so he played on it. Well done Bliar. A blinder as your acolyte Terry would have it.
jimlewis - I'm delighted that these people are safe and that's because the Govt. got it right.
The rest of this stuff about selling their stories is a load of garbage, I couldn't care less about it.
Some people are pretending to be outraged by it to score points against Blair.
zin zin - you are not credible, quite silly in fact.
anon - 'leftist press' ?
anon - now you are just being stupid.
RFS - So the right wing are all agreed on these sailors ?
Do you live in a cave ?
anon - now you are just being stupid.
By asking you to provide the links to the right wing sources that you claim your material is from?
Or did you just paraphrase what you imagine the evil old colonel in his gin sodden gentleman's club might have been saying and expect us to buy it without question?
Some people are pretending to be outraged by it to score points against Blair.
In which case, why have the government performed such an abrupt U-turn over the right to sell the stories, if people are only pretending to be outraged by it?
Was it an own-goal by the government if it allows people to score points against Bliar?
Terry you were mocking those sailors when they were paraded on Iranian TV was it because the right wing were for their release? concerned for their well-being? unlike you who was laughing at their plight.
Now with the soldiers and MoD facing criticism you are now their greatest defender. I have a novel idea for you how about supporting and defending people when they are in great difficulty not when the right wing criticise them.
Don't talk to me about credibility you unprincipled shyster it is rather irritating. More synthetic compassion which is a concern of mine because a councillor has a duty to assist his constituents if they have any problems. Do you have any compassion at all?
On arriving home they should have had their debrief and then returned to duty. End of. They probably joined the military expecting to go skiing, fly gliders and sail around warm waters while listening to iPods. That is Labour's idea of the military. All posture and no teeth. Front up then back down.
Blair and Co are terrified of it being revealed that the rules of engagement were to run up the white flag. They are avoiding an inquiry because they cannot answer why other ships did not provide protection. Labour sends our military forth with hands tied behind their backs. They may as well hand out flowers.
Blair's Government was so inept during the captivity it tried to find a way to 'counter Iranian propaganda' and the 2 of the 15 were used accordingly. Another of Blair's blinders there, eh Terry? Hiding behind 15 youngsters? I feel sorry for them.
"Some people are pretending to be outraged by it to score points against Blair."
Does that include the mother of the woman soldier who was one of those killed the day the personnel were released? You heartless, arrogant, untkhinking arse, can't you for once put humanity ahead of political point scoring, especially since most of the points being scored are in the nature of own goals?
Oh and by the way, if this is a non-issue, try telling St Tony of Albion. For a non-story, Number 10 is working bloody hard to distance itself from it.
What this shows if anything is the fact that we on the right do not march in lockstep. There may be dissent but where it happens it is welcomed.
Once you understand that your post becomes kind of pointless.
And I see you have not posted sources so we must still take it that you are just making stuff up. And let's face it, if you did any kind of research you would find plenty to work with.
Cllr Terry
Did you know that blogger has a very good spellchecker?
Why do you only ban left wingers you don't like from your site and allow right wingers to continue to comment?
Do you find leftist dissent more offensive than right wing ideology?
Or are you scared?
If so, what of?
What made you decide to stand for election?
Are you as abusive in real life as you are on your blog?
How can you tell when someone is pretending to be angry and have you ever feigned outrage to score points against an opponent?
Have you ever analysed a crime scene?
Have you ever questioned your sexuality?
How are Hugh and Margaret?
Do you wear moleskin?
Have you ever told a lie?
Do you believe in angels?
Have you ever been to Ipswich?
Who wrote the articles you refer to above?
Do you like cats?
What is your favourite colour?
Have you ever had a top tip published in a magazine?
What paper do you read and why?
Do you like The Proclaimers?
Have you ever had a sexual fantasy about a member of the SNP?
What do you think of Turkey?
Do you like jazz?
Are you Renfrewshires answer to Iggy Pop?
Have you ever thrown a televsion set out the window?
Do you read the I-ching?
What are your phobias?
Have you ever started a goose?
Answer please- the votes of more than one depend on the right answers!
I suppose that I am confused. Are these reputable sources? And if you are uninterested in the option of the right, why engage with them at all? It'd be interesting to know exactly what you think about things, Sir, without ad hominem attacks to the other side.
Go on Terry, isn't it about time you started bashing Israel again?
Go on start barking at the evil zionists, bark Terry bark...
Can you pop up the links to the original articles referred to above, please?
These guys seem like right balloons and I'd like to have a good laugh at their full articles.
I could tell the meaning of a word like serene
I got some ’o’ grades when I was sixteen
I can tell the difference between magarine and butter
I can say saskatchewan without starting to stutter
But I can’t understand why we let someone else rule our land
We’re cap in hand
I could get a broken jaw from being in a fight
I know it’s evening when day turns to night
I can understand why stranraer lie so lowly
They could save a lot of points by signing hibs goalie
But I can’t understand why we let someone else rule our land
We’re cap in hand
We fight - when they ask us
We boast - then we cower
We beg
For a piece of
Whats already ours
Once I thought I could make God a bribe
So I said I was in his lost tribe
Getting handouts can be so frustrating
Get in line son, there’s five million waiting
I can’t understand why you let someone else rule your land
You’re cap in hand.
Councillor, the persistence with which otherwise intelligent people try to reason with you (given that it has about as much chance of working as a honey trap on Elton John) helps me to believe in human nature.
But then you write something yourself and I am back to square one. B^(
well what can one say here
point one ---terry kelly looks has a face like a well skelped arse, was he in a terrible accident??? or perhaps he is the result of some terrible genetic engineering that has gone wrong??
Point two---he represents a ward full of unwashed mankey fucking dole scum that should be put down as an act of human kindness .. human rights act that would show that bunch of dole work shy fuckers.
point three-- im not saying his daughter is an intelect coz she would make a sheep look as if it had a degree in nuclear physics.. yes dear one and one does make two.
point four --- his daughter represents seedhill , what a fucking drug ridden den of crack head scum , im supprised that high flat in the area isnt used as a brothel because i have passed it and it looks as if its all junkie whores that live in it , full of single parent dole scum , junkies fucks that should be put down and just has a look of genreal shit hole about it , yeah she has done a good job there well done ya daft cow .
point five--- ive heard terry and his mongtastic daughter rayleen do good work for charity they speak shit and look like shit i mean whith a face like that u must have to go about with a bag , or perhaps a mask over your heed , the hospice must do a roaring trade as thats where they buy all their clothes or perhaps they steal them from the bins the scum from ferguslie wouldnt even wear.
point six --- paisley town centre WHAT A FUCKING SHIT HOLE THAT IS , how the fuck any one can say they are a buddie beats me , you take a walk down the high street with its boarded up shops , big issue drug dealers , whores , scum , and single whore mothers i mean for fucks sake blowing the whole place up would do it a favour.
Peoples philosopher - if you are a people's anything they are in trouble. I'm delighted to let people know that foul mouthed cowards like you are against me.
Tom Paine - Do you practice being pompous or is it natural ?
You seem to spend a lot of time trying to impress on us lesser mortals how clever you are, what's that all about ?
suffering humans - this is not without a certain childish charm, it's not easy to get words to rhyme is it.
At least you don't take it seriously do you ? quite right, no harm in it, a bit mawkish and sentimental for me. Burns fans would like it though.
The Queen - You've missed the boat here ( ouch ) anyway the papers have done it too death, I got in before most of them, it's been hilarious.
anon - 'Zionists' ? you are beginning to sound as if you are very uneasy with your support for Israel and Zionism and no wonder.
So you are not going to provide links to these stories you cite? So we must assume you made them up.
And even if they are real, as I said in the comment that has disappeared, all this proves is that the Right do not march in lockstep and that unlike in your world dissent is considered healthy and encouraged.
momentary academic - You can't be serious about reputable sources, are you a hermit ? I'm interested in the right, of course I am, everyone should be, they are dangerous, I like to kick them around.
I agree with Nye Bevan's description of them.
Are you sure that you don't know what I think about things ? I don't indulge in ad hominem attacks as a rule but I can and do retaliate when attacked, try reading some of the comments that are sent to me and get real !
RFS - I don't know when you wrote this but, yet again you look rather foolish.
Charlie - are you sure you are allowed to vote ?
jeely piece -
Q 1/ experience Q 2/ No
So no links to original sources then? Must have made it up which would make you a fantasist.
Darktanyin - Q 1/ yes 2/ I don't 3/ No 4/ No 5/ See Q 4 6/ Politics 7/ I'm not abusive in either but I might make an exception if you could find the bottle to come out of hiding.
RFS - Stop being silly, your outrage at what happened is pathetic, the whole business is a joke.
RFS - 'We on the right welcome dissent' are you really that dense ? Do you not realise that every political party claims exactly that ?
I note the date on this post, so you sent it before the whole world decide to comment and prove that I'm not alone about this.
Seriously RFS, I sometimes think that, if it was raining soup you would come running out with a fork.
Jim Lewis - ' scoring points against Blair' You are a foul mouthed opportunist who is only too ready to exploit the grief of this woman who has lost a daughter. You should be ashamed of yourself but I doubt if you know any shame, you are beneath contempt.
Tony - What can I say ? 'the 15 youngsters' you are a scary man.
If only we had you there the Iranians would have surrendered to us rather than us to them.
Zin Zin - 'mocking' you don't seem to have read what I said, or maybe it's just not clear enough. I, along with many, many others commented on the comparison between these hostages and others held captive, it was rather obvious even if you couldn't see it.
My sympathies were, and are with those held captive, my contempt is reserved for the Tory right wing press who campaigned for them and then turned on them like the rats that they are.
The whole thing is a circus and as far as I'm concerned they can make as much as they can from it, plenty of others do. Compassion ? I have enough of that not to use these people for my own ends, does that remind you of anyone ?
RFS _ stop trying to be clever, what are you on about ?
So you paraphrased at best?
Neither of these contrasting stories, that you made the point of having a blog about, actually existed in the form that you painted them.
Credibility - nill points!
My sympathies were, and are with those held captive, my contempt is reserved for the Tory right wing press who campaigned for them and then turned on them like the rats that they are.
What about the lying gits who placed the country in this position in the first place?
As for right wing press... Hasn't the Sun supported Tory Bliar for the last 10 years?
Terry,
So no sources then? Still a fantasist.
And for your record I have never met a more polite man that Jim Lewis. In fact he is so polite that when he does swear it has added meaning, like searing used to be before DK debased the whole thing.
How many replies to this comment will you make? 3, 4 or more?
My sympathies were, and are with those held captive
How's your sympathies for those being illegally held in Guantanamo Bay? What's your Labour government doing about that abomination? other than supporting it?
anon - 'sympathies' ? mine are well known what are you doing about it ? other than using them.
RFS - It's hardly my fault if you make a mess of it again, read the press and see how stupid your knee jerk comments were about the hostages.
I don't know what you are getting at with number of comments but Jim Lewis is defacto not polite as you say. Read his comments to me and see for yourself, but I don't suppose you are about to tell the truth.
Anon - the Tory press and commentators are all over the place and so are you, you are clutching at straws. It's a farce now, get used to it. The Sun is a Labour paper then ? What next ?
anon - 'sympathies' ? mine are well known what are you doing about it ?
I'll be voting against the current administration and urging those I know to do likewise. I'll be voting for the party whose leader had the courage to stand before parliament and state that the illegal invasion of Iraq was just that and that it could lead to nothing but disaster.
I'll be demonstrating exactly what I think of the party which continues to support the American Guantanemo abomination, the party full of faux CND activists who have renewed the Trident evil... no need to continue with this long list... I know how boring you find Labour's failures.
The Sun is a Labour paper then ? What next ?
Didn't you know?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1209115.stm
Good grief! Well, I suppose that explains a lot!
anon - 'sympathies' as I thought political opportunism and a sad willingness to use anybody and anything to damage Blair and the Govt.
With friends like you the hostages don't need enemies.
as I thought political opportunism and a sad willingness to use anybody and anything to damage Blair and the Govt.
If they, Bliar and the Labour government were actually honest and stood in any way for the things they claim to stand for, I'd support them 100%.
The sad fact is that only their own actions are being used against them, not stuff that I've made up... unlike your made up news stories from the 'right wing press'.
anon - 'the sun' this does explain a lot. I haven't come across many people that Murdoch is too sophisticated for.
Take a bow Mr Gullible.
anon - my last post will suffice -you are contemptible.
anon - 'the sun' this does explain a lot. I haven't come across many people that Murdoch is too sophisticated for.
Really?
Which party has the Sun supported in the last 3 General elections?
A simple one word answer will suffice. I'll even give you a hint.
It's either 'Labour' or 'Conservative'
you are contemptible.
Is this you not stooping to ad homs again?
"knee jerk comments were about the hostages"
Which comments were they then? I honestly cannot recall.
And as for Gomez you yet again make my point while trying to sound all superior. Step back from being pompous for a second and think about this: He really swears when he is very upset and to add gravitas to his comment.
anon - Mr. Gillible if only politics were as simple as you clearly find it.
Mr. Gillible if only politics were as simple as you clearly find it.
Which party has the Sun newspaper supported in the last 3 general elections?
Labour or Conservative?
anon - ad hom - no this is me retaliating, try to keep up.
anon - ad hom - no this is me retaliating, try to keep up.
Retaliating to what?
RFS - RFS - 'knee jerk' I was wondering when the I can't remember routine would come. Go read your response to my first post about the hostages ( hysterical false anger ) then the world dumped on you.
'Gomez' ? I'm not superior but being defended by you weakens his case surely, I know what he has written to me and that's how I judge him.
anon - Mr. Gullible, the yes no interlude is a good way of dodging the issue isn't it.
anon - retaliating against you 'anon' for all your abuse, someone called 'anon' keeps abusing me in print.
Is it possible there is more than one 'anon' see my problem.
anon - retaliating against you 'anon' for all your abuse, someone called 'anon' keeps abusing me in print.
You're priceless big man!
"Someone called anon..."
"The yes no interlude is a good way of avoiding the issue"...
...as you avoid answering whether or not the Sun newspaper supported Labour in the last 3 General elections, which they did incidentally. It's what you might call a rhetorical question. Complete and unequivocal fact! The Sun came out in support of Tony Blair in 3 consecutive UK general elections.
For heavens sake man, why not just tell us where those articles came from and be done with it.
the yes no interlude is a good way of dodging the issue isn't it.
I don't suppose it suits you to have the facts spoil a good issue, does it?
The Sun has supported Labour over the course of the last 3 general elections.
anon - the SUN has indeed, so, let's play your simplistic game then shall we ?
The SUN sells more copies than the other daily papers put together.
Can you tell me of any political party standing in these elections who would turn down there endorsement ?
sinister right winger - 'might live near me' ? wow, that's scary, these articles are too numerous to mention, the tele. and press were saturated with them.
anon - the SUN - can I take it then that you are a SUN reader and, you believe what the SUN prints ?
It's a good game eh ?
anon - the SUN - can I take it then that you are a SUN reader and, you believe what the SUN prints ?
No, I'm not a SUN reader but I have no reason to think that the Sun tells lies either. In fact, I'm on first name terms with the editor of the Scottish sun and have the utmost regard and respect for him. It's just not my cup of tea I'm afraid.
What is it that you don't like about the Sun?
My first comment? You did not even respond to that so lets assume you don't mean that one.
How about my second? In that it appear that "the world" did not come down on me. It was only you. And you are not the world.
I managed to get you to write 3 responses and a whole separate post (that possibly spawned the "scum" post we are currently enjoying).
Do you know where I could purchase a cheap fiddle Terry?
Who wrote which of the above accounts ? Actually, they both come from right wing sources
No, they don't! as we've now ascertained.
You've simply paraphrased in a manner in which you'd like us to believe the stories were portrayed, in order to make your own myoptic stances seem appropriate for the modern world.
RFS - Does this drivel mean you've given up on this ? it's sore when you make an idiot of yourself, you must be getting used to it.
anon - the SUN I'm happy to let people read this without comment.
anon - the SUN I'm happy to let people read this without comment.
But your ego wouldn't allow you not to make that comment anyway...
You crack me up!
anon - the SUN I'm happy to let people read this without comment.
So, do you have a view on the Sun newspaper that you'd like to share with us?
anon - the SUN - yes I have a view on the SUN doesn't everyone ? share it with you ? no point.
anon - you "have no reason to believe the SUN tells lies" and you "are on first name terms with the SUN editor, and he's a splendid chap"
Have you just inadvertantly explained why you prefer to be incognito ?
anon - you "have no reason to believe the SUN tells lies" and you "are on first name terms with the SUN editor, and he's a splendid chap"
Do you know him too?
Do you think the Sun prints lies?
Any proof of that if you do?
Or just more blind prejudice?
Despite the fact that it has supported Tony Blair and the Labour party over the last 10 years...
anon - I'm not going to get into an argument with you about the SUN - if you're happy to identify with it then I'm happy that you're happy.
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