The dust is settling, some good people have gone and new ones are here, that's politics, PR is in and deals are now being done. Here in Renfrewshire the Lib. Dems. got 4 seats and they are in a position to tell Labour & SNP ( 17 seats each ) what their demands are, apart from the sheer dishonesty and hypocrisy of their position, we now see what PR really means, with 4 out of 40 seats they get to make policy, that's what the Lib Dems call democracy.
I was delighted to be elected with more first preference votes than anyone else and doubly delighted to defy those reactionary thugs in the blogesphere who have been attacking me for over a year.
Is there no one in the SNP who is prepared to admit to embarrassment and unease with the 'sharp practice' of "Alex Salmond for First Minister" con trick, true leadership SNP style eh ? someone all Scots can be proud of ? a shyster, an absolute fraud, poor Scotland with that kind of political leader.
These poison pen writers all anonymous cowards, are a revolting bunch, they even went to the length of setting up a hate site dedicated to getting me voted out, a sweet victory for me and abject failure for them, ordinary people are disgusted by people like them. The blog sites ought to be looked at with a view to cleaning these diseased individuals out. Why should they be allowed to get away with the kind of opinions and language which would get them locked up if they said these things in the street ? The language they use would make decent people shun them, read some of it and ask yourself if you would want any of them near you, or your family.
THE NUMBERS GAME _ The SNP have never missed an opportunity to tell anyone who would listen that they got more of the overall vote at the last election than Labour therefore they had the moral right to form the administration of Renfrewshire Council. You've guessed what's coming next haven't you ? Labour 25,878 votes SNP 24, 875 votes Tories 8,115 votes Lib. Dems. 6,831 oh dear eh does anyone think that they will comment on this, will they concede that Labour have the moral right etc. I doubt it.
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Where is this SNP hate site? I would love to visit it and see what they have been saying about you.
Ponder this:
The 4 Lib Dems and 2 Tories have been elected by their constituents on platforms they laid out. In discussing the way forward they have a democratic mandate to represent this position to those who seek their help. Their voters expect nothing less.
The fact that you consider it the Lib Dems honour to prop up either you or the Nats shows how out of touch and authoritarian the Renfrewshire Labor group has become. You have no god-given right to dictate terms to either of the minority parties or the people of Renfrewshire.
You see Terry you actually lost last week but you don't realise it yet. You think you won but this is a different world now.
See all of this you have been getting on this site? All the threats you have issued, all the questions you have dodged? All this is going to be visited upon you in the council chambers for the next 4 years because of this result. People no longer giving you a free ride about your self-loathing, no longer letting smears go unanswered, no longer allowing you to bluster your way out of a corner with personal attacks.
The days of the Renfrewshire Labour group intimidating the people of Paisley are over, it is just a question of how long it will take you to realise that.
One could say the same about you Jew hater.
RFS - As I said a bad, bad loser, but please don't missunderstand me, I genuinely want the hate site to stay.
The blog sites ought to be looked at with a view to cleaning these diseased individuals out.
How very Stalinist of you. In a country that allows speech, people are entitled to their opinions.
Why should they be allowed to get away with the kind of opinions and language which would get them locked up if they said these things in the street ?
I cannot find anything on the 'Terrywatch' blog that is illegal, or are you proposing that criticism of elected officials should be outlawed? What 'opinions' exactly shouldn't 'people be allowed to get away with'?
It astounds me that an elected official should suggest such a thing.
RFS - temper now son temper, a bad, bad, bad, pathetic loser - a convert to PR as well now eh ? You roll over easy don't you.
When I was last at school 17 each was a draw. All my threats ? Show me. Dodged questions ? That's your speciality, self loathing ? I'm happy with myself, I don't do smears I leave that to you lot and I don't need bluster to deal with you. Please keep the hate site running, I'll be weighing the votes again.
I knew I would better you and your crew again but I really didn't think it would be this comprehensive, I'm loving it you loser, yes I'm gloating at you, and then some.
anon - 'Jew hater' I think I know why you choose anonymity.
Re: the numbers game
The SNP got more seats than anyone
at the elections. Convention dictates that they get first shot at forming an administration. Seems fair enough.
SNP and Labour have the same number of seats in the council. I'm not aware of any convention which exists to cover the situation - feel free to enlighten me.
Time for some horse trading with the parties which have most in common - Again, it all seems pretty reasonable. Of course, the manner of the Labour campaign, which included such venomous attacks against the SNP probably mean SNP wouldn't want to be in bed with Labour. Reap what you sow!
PS Are you honestly still complaining about the "Alex Salmond for First Minister" thing? I suppose it's better than the "Our core voters were too thick to understand the paper, ironically designed by us..." line, but why are you moaning?
Ming and Gordon have got it all stitched up down in London. The Nats get a moral victory, but denied the opportunity to rule. Plus ca Change!
PPS Congratulations on your clear victory!
harry haddock - harry, you are no more subtle now than when you were kicking lumps out of wee wingers.
Terry you abuse Israel, the only decrocratic nation because it is jewish.
You hate jews and all they stand for.
Were the Terrywatch people standing for election? I wish I'd noiced. I'm baffled as to how you thing Labour won in Renfrewhire doesn't two conservatives, four Lib Dems and seventeen Scottish Nationalists make a majority against Labour?
Anyway if you hate the Lib Dems so much why are your group leaders seeking a coalition with them?
Is this why you and Tommy Williams are out in the cold? Well that and your hate campaign against Jackie Green and new vendetta against Jim Sharkey.
incorrigible plagiarist -
The one thing you have got right is 'incorrigible' this is a load of SNP drivel. About the Salmond for first minister ? If I had been an SNP candidate I would have had his name removed, those ( all of them ) who didn't, are spineless lackeys.
anon - Israel - I try not to hate anyone, even cretins like you.
brian daly - Brian, are you quite well ? why are you repeating yourself ?
Do you know you're repeating yourself ?
Cllr Terry Kelly said...
brian daly - Brian, are you quite well ? why are you repeating yourself ?
Do you know you're repeating yourself ?
Is it me?
harry, you are no more subtle now than when you were kicking lumps out of wee wingers.
Well, clearly I am not that Harry Haddock, although I can see your grasp of facts is as up to it's usual standard ~ (from wikipedia) 'In 14 years as a senior and international footballer Haddock was never booked, sent off, or even admonished by any referee'.
Now, back to my two, polite, questions;
a) Are you proposing that criticism of elected officials should be outlawed?
b) What 'opinions' exactly shouldn't 'people be allowed to get away with'?
Kind Regards
Terry,
Labour have lost control of Renfrewshire and will no longer be able to bulldoze their ideas through to suit themselves.
Whilst your deluded constituency have voted you back on the basis of a launderette, they have no conception of the overall picture.
I do have sympathy for your daughter though, who got more first votes than Jim Sharkey and then got kicked out. This does seem unfair. Did he not support Rayleen in the way that she supported him?
I have a lot of friends that he canvassed and not many heard Rayleen for No 2.
Where did the Sharkey second votes go?
Some other comments on your blog suggest that a candidate should not even be representing your party! I will abstain on this!
Brian: Just for the record neither my dad or I have a vendetta against anyone, Jim will make an excellent Councillor, in fact he already is an excellent Councillor and has been a great support and help to me personally, you seem to be out of the loop and behind the times sweetie, sorry but you are wrong!!!
I have just had sight of the thouroughly offensive and disgusting email you've sent to Will. What a piece of work you are.
Firstly you accuse him of being a fraud. Do you have evidence of this? Do you even know what evidence is? As I see it
you sit here hurling the most appalling abuse at anyone that disagrees with you without a single fact to back you up.
You are incapable of any level of reasonable debate. It would appear that the behaviour you were censured by the Standards Commission for is the norm for you. The people who voted for you voted Labour, how tragic that they should
have been landed with such an ill educated thug.
You then assert (look it up) that Will is not doing the gay community any favours. I'm sorry but have I missed something because the last time I checked the gay community didn't need middle aged hetrosexual men telling them how to conduct themselves.
You may find a gay man defending his rights 'pious guff' - that speaks volumes- about your attitudes. It would appear that certain Labour members
haven't moved on much since the party's disgraceful treatment of Peter Tatchell.
Your apparent belief that the only acceptable gay is one who conforms to your expectations certainly isn't homophobic but it is every bit as bigotted.
Quite frankly if you are in any way typical of Labour at a local level, it is perhaps just as well we have elected the 'inward' looking
SNP. A country where someone like you can hold elected office is one that needs to take a good hard look at itself.
You are a total disgrace.
Just been reading the homophobic hate mail you sent to an SNP member.
You sicko. Thought you were against sending hate mail?
So let's see
We know you hate Jews
Now we know you hate gays
We know you think people should be jailed for disagreeing with you.
So we now know you are a Nazi.
Nazi scum like you are bad enough in the BNP but hijacking a decent party is despicable.
Sending hate mail. Shame on you.
It makes me shudder that people like you still exist.
Shame
You can't handle gays unless they're like something out of Are you Being Served? What's up do the SNP gays not call each other ducky and carry handbags? Too much for your feeble brain?
You are nothing but a homophobic bigot and an author of filth. You should disgust decent people everywhere.
Unfit for decent society let alone elected office.
Shame.
Sending hate mail Councillor Tsk tsk.
So I don't understand. Do you want the hate site to stay or do you want the authors "cleansed"? You appear to be wanting both.
I have never expressed an opinion on PR to you. As it is I don't like it but what I did say was that we have to work within its framework now it is in. It is your lot that introduced it to gain power with the Lib Dems so you don't get to complain about it. Those are the rules and if we didn't have rules where would we be? That's right, France. If we had too many rules where would we be? Germany. If we had rules allowing poverty pimping anti-semitical gay hating race baiters to hold public office?
Anyway, good luck with the coalition talks. Clarewil just sent something that made me laugh out loud in the office.
One excellent consequence of the elections, local and national, is that the options for Labour crony appointments in public service will be much reduced.
This is what Labour councillors find most difficult to take. No point now in "networking" , no patronage to dispense.
harry haddock - I do apologise, it was an attempt at humour, anyway the original Harry was a good enough ploayer to bruise any opponent without breaking the laws.
You're new to me so I will give you the benefit of the doubt this time.
Go to the web site's that I mentioned and to the others that they link to and you will see what I mean, if you want to that is, but I doubt that you do. You may well think that they are OK let me know what you think.
Q A/ I don't know what you mean.
hugh - opaque, unsubtle and far too long.
juliette - you are a long winded liar who, like Will, is exploiting the gay community.
anon - ham fisted collusion from a bunch who are quite happy to exploit and use the gay community, Will, shame on you.
Anon - I regard anyone who writes this stuff anonymously as a despicable coward. You lot can't get much lower can you ?
Do you think anyone might question why you all did this at the same time ? You are a bunch of lying thugs, exploiting the gay community is pretty bad, what kind of people are you ?
anon - how many lying cowards are there in your mob ?
anon - yet another lying coward
ken sitas - you and the others who have organised this are lying cowards, you are exploiting the gay issue to attack me, all of you are cntemptable.
I'm glad you are SNP
liarsexposed - did you all collude in this poison ?
Will must be proud of you.
RFS - Are you ever going to say something original ? are you not bored ? I am.
I've said before you and her deserve each other.
anon - enlightened unbiased analysis - well done.
Your crowing does you no credit. I think you're a buffoon to be pitied, and laughed at but who doesn't really bother me. This post however, and your subsequent comments highlight more eloquently than ever before your nasty, bigoted, spiteful nature. That a man like you could run for office is a terrible indictment of the Labour party.
Terry watch is not a hate site, it is a catalogue of your massive incompetence, your venality and your vitriol. You are merely being hoisted on your own petard.
this is a load of SNP drivel.
No, It's a reasonable view shared by many of the voters of this parish.
About the Salmond for first minister ?
If I had been an SNP candidate I would have had his name removed, those ( all of them ) who didn't, are spineless lackeys.
To late to change sides now Terry, but you got in behind your red rossette anyway.
If I may use one of your own explanations for you though. There are many debates within a political party and once consensus is reached all the party members abide by it. So, no spineless lackeys. Loyal party members going with the consensus. You can't admire it in your own party then despise it in others, that would be hypocritical.
jackart - I've read your site and I direct others to it, need I say more ?
You haven't directed others to it - because it appears you haven't worked out how to link.
If you link, you can make comments about peoples blogs or cite facts and opinions showing where they came from. (I'm talking about links in posts, not the pathetic collection of partisan and parochial chums in your sidebar).
By "directing" people to my site, I suspect you mean saying "go read the blogs of the reactionary idiots".
That doesn't count.
We got you to use paragraphs and a spellchecker, now please use the hyperlink.
Terry watch is not a hate site, it is a catalogue of your massive incompetence, your venality and your vitriol.
Well I've followed enough of the threads in Terrywatch to see the spiteful, peurile and downright disgusting language as well as offensive family jibes that the elected (Terrywatch pay heed!) councillor refers to.
I've also been most interested to see when an actual apology to the councillor will be forthcoming for the election leaflet mud slinging, which amounted to nothing.
So far, nada!
Surely with an election just behind us, all parties can accept the result and get on with improving the lot of this parish and country, which is all the country is really asking... But already, petty partisan party politics are holding us back. Let's hope once the administrations are confirmed, they will be positive.
Holding our elected officials to account is one thing. Publishing prolonged and inaccurate bile gets us nowhere and Terrywatch would do well to ensure it's own standards are as high as those it would wish the object of it's ire to be.
You did not answer my question.
Do you want the hate site to stay or do you want the authors cleansed? You appear to want both, can you clarify this position please?
Plagiarist - Thank you.
RFS - 'your question' can I plump for keeping 'terrywatch' and cleansing out the other hate sites.
RFS - can you contact some of the ladies and gentlemen that you run with and confirm that 'terrywatch' is by your own admission a 'hate site'
Terry
'RFS - 'your question' can I plump for keeping 'terrywatch' and cleansing out the other hate sites.'
Which other 'hate sites'? Can you be explicit, please?
(BTW, sorry if this post is duplicated. I can never be sure with Blogger.com if posts have 'got there' or not)
scunnered - look up some of the links on RFS's site.
Terry,
I agree with your comment about PR and the Lib Dems - it does seem unfair that they should hold the balance of power and policy when they are so clearly in the minority.
However I don't agree with your comments about Terrywatch and those blogs that link to it. Terrywatch is quite a restrained affair given some of the other, more extreme sites on the internet. It describes itself as a fan site, and whilst I would argue that it focuses far too much on you and your blog given the breadth and depth of both Scottish and British politics, it generally offers less hysterical and more reasoned debate than occurs on this blog. And those who write on it and link to it are not diseased - they simply disagree with you.
You shouldn't be calling for the blog hosts to kick out those who disagree with you. After all, if you are right, then you should be able to argue coherently against the right-wing bloggers (and no, the sniping in the comments on you blog does not count as reasoned debate) and win, rather than trying to restrict their right to freedom of speech.
Unless, of course, you are a Stalinist style socialist...
nameless - 'Terrywatch' is a hate site set up by a mob who tried to damage me using personal abuse of a low filthy kind.
I didn't and don't call for people who disagree with me to be kicked out, that's a stupid accusation.
Mike Russell SNP wrote a book recently, he was summoned to see Salmond who told him to remove / change, parts of the book which he did not like or he would not be a Holyrood candidate. This damning story was carried in a national broadsheet and Salmond did nothing about it.
Was that Stalinist ? see if you can address that and then accuse others. Are you 'nameless because you are ashamed ?
If there was a prize for the most unsubtle bias you would win it.
No, the Nameless One is an adaptation of a moniker that a mate gave to me on his blog and that just stuck.
I didn't see that story about Salmond but as you relay it it does sound Stalinist. And more than a bit pathetic.
I don't hide any bias that I have - I am right of centre, you are left of centre, there is always going to be a lot that we don't agree on. What I object to is your belief that because people do not agree with you, they should not be allowed to express their opinions.
Also TerryWatch is not a hate site, but rather a site that does not agree with you. I fear your inability to accept any criticism of your opinions is why you see it as a hate site.
I do not think that people who disagree with me should not be allowed to express their opinions. You can't be seeing right if you think that, are all these comments I get agreeing with me ? Come on now, try harder.
I deal with people who disagree with me all the time but I do reserve the right to remove anything that I consider to be beyond the pale and offensive.
I have been contacted by many people about 'terrywatch' it wasn't me who called it a hate site, I didn't recognise the term, it was described thus by an honourable opponent from the SSP
In your original post you write:
"The blog sites ought to be looked at with a view to cleaning these diseased individuals out."
If you "clean" the individuals out from their blog sites you are removing their right to express their views and their right to speak freely. You are censoring them. You are calling for them to not be allowed to make their comments and to make their case. The reasoning for the censorship seems to be that you don't agree with them.
Also, you have referred to TerryWatch in some of these comments as a hate site (including in a response to me). Someone else may have come up the phrase, but you have certainly used it yourself.
Ultimately, if you have the courage of your convictions, you should want those who disagree with you to express their opinions in whatever manner or medium they chose. Because if your opinions are correct, you should have no problem with refuting their arguments at all.
If I was you I would be on TerryWatch every day, taking them to task about their posts in the comments sections. But to date, I haven't seen anything on that site to indicate you have even been there, let alone try to combat the points and issues they raise.
How many times have I heard this, I'll try yet again, I will not get involved with these people because of the way they conduct themselves, I'll argue with anyone but I'm not prepared to get into the gutter to do it.
I don't have to be on 'terrywatch' every day I do that through my own site, I have also been informed that the site involves the same small crowd of nasties and they only seem to talk to each other.
I disagree with people all the time, you included, I don't censure anyone who is prepared to argue without personal abuse and filthy language, my family and friends read my site and I'm not prepared to stoop so low that I would have to hide behind anon or a false name.
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