Monday, May 28, 2007

EARLY DAYS ? WELL, MAYBE FOR THE SNP

The ink is hardly dry on the agreement between the con man Salmond and the 'mark' Robin Harper of the Greens, near to the hearts of the Greens of course is the reduction of traffic, the SNP go and right away lift the tolls on the Forth Bridge, ouch ! Robin that was a sore yin, but you ain't seen nothing yet.

Another SNP piece of posturing was hospital reorganisation which saw them blame Labour for proposed closures, nothing wrong with that you might say ? well, what they didn't tell people was that this was Labour policy based on the wishes of the BMA and all other health professionals. These health pro's are now at loggerheads with Nicola Sturgeon and they insist that she is wrong and that their proposals should go ahead.

If she proves stubborn and stupid as I think she will then who are we to blame in years to come if there are problems with the NHS. Can we blame the party (SNP) who went against the wishes of the BMA i.e the experts, to do the populist thing rather than the right thing ? that's the kind of people who are now in charge.

They have been promising people everything for years and now we will see whether they were, as I've said all along buying votes with lies about what they could do. Some people think it will be fun watching them squirm but I don't, the people who will suffer are you and your families and neighbours and that, isn't funny. You were warned !

29 comments:

Jim Lewis said...

Tolls create traffic jams. Traffic jams mean lots of cars sitting still, belching fumes into the atmosphere for longer periods. Tolls do not mean less traffic. Ergo, abolition of tolls does not mean more pollution, it means less.

RightForScotland said...

With almost a million jobs transferred from the private to the public sector and then using proposed reductions in those numbers by other parties as a campaign angle I don't think the Labour Party can crow about someone else "buying" votes.

And I think the lifting of the road tolls shows that it is the SNP that is dictating policy, not the greens. If you had bothered to read the agreement specific things were promised to enter coalition, that is how it works.

Of course this would prove your "lib dem administration" accusation against Renfrewshire Council to be a total fabrication.

You really are just not trying any more Terry are you?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

jim - so what ? did I comment on this ?

Try reading it again, slowly. The SNP have immediately gone against one of the Greens main policies, they suckered them, I'm no expert on this and haven't given an opinion, have I ?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

RFS - I don't understand your last bit about the Lib dem administration.

The rest of it you have right, with this garbage I'm not trying.

RightForScotland said...

I didn't understand it at the time but you insisted on telling us that the people of renfrewshire had a lib dem administration without voting for it.

But then you appear to contradict yourself with this piece. So which is it? Is the snp being dictated to by their partners or are they the ones calling the shots?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

RFS - It's not that difficult - you're trying to be clever aren't you ?

RightForScotland said...

Well why don't you answer the question? Which one is it?

Jim Lewis said...

"Try reading it again, slowly. The SNP have immediately gone against one of the Greens main policies, they suckered them, I'm no expert on this and haven't given an opinion, have I ? "

You just did. You claim that the Greens' policy is traffic reduction. (which isn't mentioned in their manifesto) and are clearly insinuating that removal of tolls runs counter to this aim. So yes, you are passing opinions, and not doing it very well. When has not being an expert ever stopped you from passing opinions?


Clearly, the Greens will have to compromise on some issues, and as I've pointed out, removal of tolls actually helps with reducing emissions, so nobody has been suckered here.

The Incorrigible Plagiarist said...

I can't find in any of the newspapers any story about Nicola Strugeon at loggerheads with health chiefs. So far as I can see, she wants to improve the real lot of cancer patients and get over the manipulation of figures as was prevalent under Andy Kerr.

The biggest protests against hospital closure are being raised, quite rightly IMO, by Jackie Baillie and John MacFall - both Scottish Labour.

As for the Forth road tolls... clearly you're not an expert, but if you think that maintaining the Forth road tolls was one of the green's main policies, you've not been keeping your enemies very close at all.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

RFS - What question ?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

RFS - I've read it again I don't believe you don't understand it.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Jim - Yes the Greens support traffic reduction and would have kept the tolls - you seem to be struggling to understand what I said. I didn't say that removing tolls runs counter to the aim of traffic reduction I said that the Greens would see it that way.

Do you expect the Greens or anyone else to accept your traffic theories ?

'When does not being an expert stop me from giving opinions' glass houses Jim, glass houses.

RightForScotland said...

Terry, I understand it fine. You appear to be attacking the SNP for "selling out" their coalition partner, your inference is that they are dictating the terms of the government yet in another post you claim that the people of Renfrewshire will get a Lib Dem administration, the inference is that the junior partner will dictate policy to the major one.

You appear to be holding contradictory opinions here and I was wondering which one you actually believe? Or do you believe neither and this is just an excuse to have a good swipe at the SNP?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

plagiarist - It was the health chiefs who drew up the plans for reorganising the health system and she is therefore de facto at odds with them, I've already spoken to one doctor who thinks she is more concerned with being popular than doing what is right for the service.

If you say that Andy Kerr manipulated figures, does that make it so ?

Baillie and MacFall are doing what Sturgeon has been doing, when was the last time you saw a politician accepting a hospital closure in their own ward.

I said that the Greens would keep the tolls I didn't mention their manifesto you're clutching at straws.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

RFS - reference these things if you want me to answer them I'm too busy to re read everything.

RightForScotland said...

I did not think we were playing those rules!

The Big Kahuna said...

A number of us have tried referencing things, and linking to the relevant pieces. You still don't read.

The Incorrigible Plagiarist said...


I said that the Greens would keep the tolls I didn't mention their manifesto you're clutching at straws.


You're the one spouting desperate Labour party lines - if it wasn't a green party manifesto commitment, it's hardly a sore yin either is it?

As for de facto being at odds with the health chiefs... well one minute you're claiming Nicola Sturgeon is at loggerheads with the BMA... the next minute it's 'de facto' at odds with the health chiefs because she's reviewing their plans... a not so subtle difference.

It seems perfectly reasonable for the new Health minister of the newly elected (you really must get over that!) administration to review some pretty important strategic decisions... bearing in mind that that the health chiefs in question were working under the parameters defined by the previous administration...

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

kahuna - I do my best but I'm very busy, If you make your comments too convoluted I'm not keen to do too much re-reading.

Jim Lewis said...

"Jim - Yes the Greens support traffic reduction and would have kept the tolls - you seem to be struggling to understand what I said. I didn't say that removing tolls runs counter to the aim of traffic reduction I said that the Greens would see it that way.


I'm curious as to how, since the Greens never said any such thing, that you have an insight into what they would have done vis a vis traffic reduction. Since it's not hard to show that having tolls hasn't reduced traffic, and that having them leads to queues, thus creating more pollution, it would have been a Green Party at least as stupid as you which would have followed this course.

Do you expect the Greens or anyone else to accept your traffic theories ?

'When does not being an expert stop me from giving opinions' glass houses Jim, glass houses."

I never claimed I don't pass opinions on subjects in which I have no expertise. You did. opinionss

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Jim - I think that the Greens would keep tolls and there are both sides of the argument about whether removing tolls reduces pollution, I've no doubt that there are people on both sides who, strange as it seems are as stupid as you but, that can't be helped.

I don't suppose I always get it right but I'm rarely wrong, I remember once, long ago I thought I had got something wrong and I went back over what I had said only to find that I had been right all along.

I was wrong of course to think that I could have been wrong in the first place !

old and angry said...

I shouldn't worry overly Terry.
Whenever this Government wheels out "experts", common sense,and a sense of history over the last 10 years come to the fore.
Therefore the only reasonable course of action is to do the opposite of what the "experts" advise.
That's the best plan

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

You seem a bit confused here, what Govt. ?

Anyway you needn't worry, the SNP have just the right mixture of arrogance and ignorance to defy any experts, certainly non Scottish experts and definitely any English B - - - - - - s who think they're experts.

The Incorrigible Plagiarist said...

Professor David Kerr, from Yoker, doesn't exactly fall into the English B*stard category though, does he.

Then again, neither does Dr. Chritsine Rodger who has backed the SNP review of the blueprint...

Of course, I wonder whether the Labour administration asked the Good Professor Kerr to consider how the new centralised emergency services might deal with the oft threatened terrorist atrocity that they have us living in fear of?

Having sat in traffic jams on the way into work today, I was musing how stupid the idea of centralising emergency services was in relation to our current infrastructure...

I'm sure Professor Kerr will have the edge in terms of medical experience, but I wonder how often he's actually tried to get around West Central Scotland in a hurry...

Then again, maybe the good citizens of Edinburgh might extend their £600m single tram line across the country to all our hospital doors and we can kill 2 birds with one stone.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Plagiarist - OK you started it, the Herald's letters already has a letter complaining about the Exec. Not using Scottish expertise, that's what's in power now.

The 'threatened terrorist atrocity' maybe labour forgot about that, well spotted, like wise traffic jams again well spotted, extend the trams to every door, brilliant you should offer yourself as an adviser.

I had no idea these 'experts' were so stupid until I read your comments.

The Incorrigible Plagiarist said...


I had no idea these 'experts' were so stupid until I read your comments.


So, does Prof. Kerr's blueprint address the possibility - ever looming according to Labour - of a Terrorist attack ? You'd think the Labour party would have had joined up thinking on this issue...

Are we to wait until we actually have a reliable infrastructure before closing down the existing emergency wards, or will we just go ahead and hope that any emergency you (pray never) are involved in will occur on a convenient route to the 'centralised' (Why does that sound so Labour?) emergency services/

Don't get me wrong Terry, I absolutely concur with Prof. Kerr that in the ideal world, emergency patients being treated by well drilled doctors used to dealing with emergencies in a state of the art hospital is the way to deliver best patient chance of survival... let's just think about how they might get to that ward though!

I can also see why those doctors after so many years of sacrifice and learning might want to live near their place of work - where they put in long and uncivilised hours - but conveniently in the more interesting parts of the country, so yes, I do see why so many clinicians would support the idea... all in the name of patient care...

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Plagiarist - I think that you know as well as me that the issue here is populism and votes, suggesting that the experts overlooked 'terrorists, traffic etc.' Really is a weak red herring.

Andy kerr and Labour can be accused of whatever you like but he did not do this to win votes did he ? The SNP's behaviour in all of this is dreadful and this is only the start we are going to see a lot more before the people eventually 'spit them out'

Brian said...

In your opinion, Nicola Sturgeon may be stupid but it's you and your Labour colleagues who are now in opposition throughout the Country.

Incidentally, if Nicola Sturgeon is stupid, what does that make all the Labour ex-councillors and MSP's that got bumped out of office by the SNP? Morons? Idiots? Brain-dead? Take your choice.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Brian - what's your point ?