Here's the last post before the election and I'm even happier. The mob who have been attacking me are now suggesting that I have broken election rules by arranging a free night at the fairground for youngsters from my ward, that's the level of these morons. One of them who hides behind the title of 'right for Scotland' has threatened me so often, because of the ridicule I've subjected him to that I've given up waiting for him to do something - he prefers lies and smears, a typical right winger in fact !
This smear is despite the fact that this free night happened last year as well and the fact that on both occasions the contact was initiated by the fairground people. Lots of kids were able to enjoy this gesture and no mention was made in any way shape or form about politics, the contact by the residents association was also initiated by them.
So are they getting desperate ? smear someone on a blog because you can't beat him despite being mob handed and vicious liars and having a year or so to do it.
This is the reality of right wing, nationalist, SSP and so called Libertarians who share a common hatred of Labour, have a good look at this vicious bunch of thugs and get out and, VOTE LABOUR ON MAY 3RD.
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94 comments:
"a typical right winger in fact !"
I thought you were against discrimination? How can you be when you are stereotyping like this?
The allegation that CLAREWIL made (get your VRWC members right will you?) is that you have handed out election leaflets that double as vouchers to get into local attractions. Do you deny this?
Also, if you were humiliating me then why do I hang about? Indeed it was quite funny at the weekend when Jim shouted "do it for Terry" as I flexed my oily macho pecs.
And what is it you are waiting for me to do?
RFS - Clarewil is a twisted bitter person for some reason, I shudder to think what could make a person turn out like her. I paid for the fairground to be here at election time and bribed the owner to let the kids in free from my ward to look good at election time. In capitalist societies this is normal isn't it ? I thought you would have condoned this kind of thing, Arthur Daly would have.
I've got form of course, remember that scandal about me buying my council house and what about the accusation about me being charged with fraud, and those shares, remember them ? Didn't you say something about taking me to the Standards Commission and to court for libel and getting me charged for being anti semitic, I'm shaking in my boots, you are really nothing more than a big mouth who can't help posturing aren't you.
"have a good look at this vicious bunch of thugs and get out and, VOTE LABOUR ON MAY 3RD."
Never mind the SNP and how awful they are; you have not said one thing about what YOU will do for your constituents if re-elected. All you do is rubbish the opposition. Have you nothing specific and positive to say about what YOU are offering?
So, did you hand out election leaflets that doubled as free entry to local attractions?
I don't know, but the people claiming that you did don't seem to have posted any proof of it - like a scan of the leaflet for example.
I see that they're quick enough to have pulled you up on the 'right wing sources' news story when you couldn't provide any links. Where's their proof? or is it all a lot of cock and bull? and a mischievous waste of police time to boot? (Which Paisley police could certainly do without IMHO).
Can anyone sort this out?
(I don't want to call K division either!)
The standards body informed me that apparently, despite this site including your public position on both the title and the URL is outwith their domain.
I never said I would have you charged over being an anti-Semite. I certainly hope that it is not against the law to express such opinions. I think you are confusing this with the many times we have exposed you as a hypocrite.
I noticed that you did not straight out deny the allegation put to you. You, yet again, twist and turn on the hook hoping to brass neck it out. Care to have another go at denial?
You never denied the fraud allegation we put to you so we are entitled to repeat it. However we now understand that it is your running mate who is the subject of that report which makes things a whole lot clearer now.
And it does not matter what Arthur Daly [sic] would have done. He is fictional Terry.
I have had personal correspondence with Clarewil and I have found her to be pleasant, polite and reasonable. Further I have read 99% of the comments she has made on this site and I have to say that I have read nothing (apart from that one incident when you smeared the mentally ill) that would fit the description you made of her. Maybe there is some other explanation for your opinion of her?
tom tyler - are you trying to win the stupidest comment of the year award ?
I have personally delivered thousands of leaflets and knocked on hundreds of doors and spent dozens of hours on the tele telling people these things, are you for real ?
are you trying to win the stupidest comment of the year award ?
There's pretty stiff competition for that one on this web site!
But a quick scan of the last 14 blogs you've made show:
Attacks on the SNP - 5
Attacks on right wing bigots - 3
Comment on news stories made up by yourself - 1
Pretty decent comment on American gun tragedy - 1
Nice blog about adopted dogs - 1
Eulogy to retiring Labour councillors - 1
Complaint about hate mail - 1
Urging readers to vote Labour - 1
Must have missed the bit about how 'things can only get better'...
Terry do you think what you did was wrong?
What's 'so-called' about being libertarian?
See, here's the thing, Terry. We all expect our politicians to avoid direct answers to embarrassing questions. It's kind of what they do. However, sometimes you'e pinned down and the only thing to do is tell the truth. It goes against the grain, sure, but it's almost unavoidable. I know you don't want to admit electoral wrongdoing, but it loks like you've been caught this time, it looks like it's Clairwil who's done it. Unless you can actually deny her allegations, it won't matter one whit if you throw these ridiculous slurs at your opponents. Everyone is going to know what a sleazy, lying sack of garbage you really are. So sue eme.
If I vote for you can I get into the shows for free too? How about some candy-floss?
I spoiled my ballot.
RS
"This is the reality of right wing, nationalist, SSP and so called Libertarians who share a common hatred of Labour, have a good look at this vicious bunch of thugs"....
....says the party whose standards are so high that they allowed a councillor convicted of assault to serve on their behalf for years.
Terry, I got one of your leaflets, but they wouldn't let me on the waltzers. Something about being a grown man and able to pay my own way. I argued the toss for a good hour or so, but they were having none of it. In the end your name slipped from my lips and as if by magic.........they manhandled me from the fairground. I can't begin to describe how betrayed I felt. I took you as a man of your word. I now know you to be nothing more than a promiser of cheap thrills to the masses.
Och well, I assume you'll at least have to work for yr money now that you can't hide beneath the dead bodies on yet another Labour council hegemony.
Cllr Kelly
I assume you were re-elected, in which case congratulations; otherwise, my commiserations and I think I speak for many in saying that I hope you wouldn't let a set-back like that stop you from blogging. Congratulations (or commiserations, as appropriate) to your good daughter, too.
I have to note, though that in the course of what I have to say I thought were rather uncalled-for remarks about Clarewil's personality and background you didn't actually deny the pretty serious allegation that RFS says she's made about you.
Did you, in fact, distribute election leaflets that doubled as vouchers to get into local attractions, in apparent contravention of various bits of English election law that must have an equivalent in Scotland that I can't be bothered to look up?
As far as I'm concerned, a man's innocent until proved guilty and, of course, you're not obliged to say anything ('but anything you do say...').
If you give us a flat denial of what's -- as I'm sure you'll agree -- a pretty serious allegation, then I'm perfectly prepared to take your word for it. But I do think you ought to answer the allegation directly.
not saussure - Anyone who is prepared to use the mentally handicapped to attack someone else is beneath contempt ( Clairwil )
RFS and Clairwil are trying to smear me, that's their stock in trade. I'm not going to dignify their behaviour by responding, read the poison they write and see if I am found guilty of anything, or even charged, I'm sure they will let everyone know if I am.
ill man - it sounds as if you feel really gubbed eh ?
fido - has written in a way which can't be printed but I have this to say to him.
fido - if you feel like that, I'm not difficult to find.
happytoseethebackoflabour - do I detect anger ? frustration ?
agentmancuso - put your money where your mouth is.
jim lewis - put up or shut up. You're scaring me again.
Anyone who is prepared to use the mentally handicapped to attack someone else is beneath contempt ( Clairwil )
RFS and Clairwil are trying to smear me, that's their stock in trade. I'm not going to dignify their behaviour by responding, read the poison they write and see if I am found guilty of anything, or even charged, I'm sure they will let everyone know if I am.
zin zin - explain
anon - I'm happy to bow to your superiority re. 'stupid comments'
RFS - I dealt with her until I couldn't stomach her any more. She cynically used the mentally ill to attack me, that makes her contemptible.
The rest of this is just more bluster, I'm fed up listening to your threats, put up or shut up, you are a straw man.
anon - prove you're not a coward and sue me.
"She cynically used the mentally ill to attack me, that makes her contemptible. "
But your cynical use of the LGBT Community to attack political opponents doesn't make you contemptible, Terry? Pots and kettles...
Ever the pugilist TKmax.
Terry an allegation of wrong doing was put to you, which you derided in the following terms:
"I paid for the fairground to be here at election time and bribed the owner to let the kids in free from my ward to look good at election time. In capitalist societies this is normal isn't it ? I thought you would have condoned this kind of thing, Arthur Daly would have."
Well TKmax those are you words which do not deny the crime but dowmplays and normalise it through sarcasm. Those words of yours that i quoted are indicative of your contempt for deceny,fair play,democracy and socialism.
Cllr Kelly, A simple 'No, I distributed no such leaflet' would be sufficient for me.
RFS and Clairwil are trying to smear me, that's their stock in trade. I'm not going to dignify their behaviour by responding, read the poison they write and see if I am found guilty of anything, or even charged, I'm sure they will let everyone know if I am. raises all sorts of inferences, though (possibly that you acted wholly innocently, but did, in fact, distribute something ill-intentioned people might misinterpret).
So what do you and Cllr Williams have against Councillor Green?
Why do you think it was Cllr Sharkey's fault Rayleen lost her seat?
They don't like it up em.
"jim lewis - put up or shut up. You're scaring me again."
I just did. I repeat, you're a sleazy,lying sack of garbage. Is this libel? If so, will you sue me? The ball's in your court.
anon - prove you're not a coward and sue me.
As there are only 2 other anonymous postings at this point, and you don't delete comments, I'll assume that wasn't your response to the list of your recent blog topics, but was in fact your response to the fairly reasonable post which asked the question:
So, did you hand out election leaflets that doubled as free entry to local attractions?
I know your don't like this game, but the answer to that question was pretty much a 'yes' or a 'no'.
Take your time... and try again!
Did you hand out election leaflets that doubled as free entry to local attractions?
I tell you what I am proud of.
Unlike Labour my party does not support
1 Trident and its replacement
2 War in Iraq at the behest of the neocons in the USA
3 A regressive system of local government taxation
4 a PPI system which transfers money from the taxpayer to big finance
5 the closure of local hospitals
6 cronyism and wee jobs here and there for "sympathetic" nominees
7 daft posturing on all of the above while voting for all of it in election after election
Its time, Terry, its time.
Not Saussure amongst others have asked you, in as reasonable a way as possible, to refute the -- pretty serious IMHO -- allegation that you distributed election leaflets which doubled as free entry to local attractions.
Why won't you do so? Is it true that you did this? Your retorts so far, lead me to believe that it could be true, yet I hope that it isn't.
jim lewis - keep it coming, I'm happy to let people read your stuff.
I think they will conclude that anyone who writes stuff like this is a craven coward.
I'ts not as if I'm difficult to find is it ?
anon - 8.32 pm May 7th. 07
1/ nothing 2/ I don't
not saussure - I think that 'no marks' like Clairwil and RFS and the rest of their odious bunch will gleefully jump all over me and they will be lining up to sue me, report me to this, that and the other body etc etc if,
a/ they can find the courage and, b/ if they are right.
I'm saying that they are a bunch of right wing sleaze pushers, who are just about demented by not being able to lay a glove on me, why should I co operate ? I'm having fun making fools of the goons.
zin zin - So you have found me guilty of showing contempt for decency, fair play, democracy and socialism.
Perhaps you might consider contacting the thugs who are doing the smearing and ask how they are getting on with the authorities on this before making such a fool of yourself.
Will - you are a bitter man, did the election not go right for you ?
Do you intend to go over this again ?
Is it not time for you to get a life ?
Anon - Are you saying that I did this ? If you are, you could get me into trouble by reporting me to, the Fraud Squad, the Standards Commission, the Police, the Electoral Reform Society, the Spanish Inquisition as well as all your friends and neighbours. I can hardly type for trembling.
Can you not work it out yet ? This is fun but it's losing it's shine a bit.
anon - 'proud' you clearly aren't 'proud' enough to identify yourself or your party, I've never come across that kind of pride before.
You forgot to mention that we also killed Bambi's mother.
Anon - notsaussure and the rest of them have not done anything reasonable at all.
They started this smear with no evidence at all just prejudice and bile, the person who started it who hides behind the nom deplume 'clairwil' is a poisonous liar who is prepared to stoop to anything to damage anyone she doesn't like she was quite comfortable exploiting the mentally handicapped in a past argument.
I don't feel obliged therefore to deal with that kind of person in a 'reasonable' way.
The thought of you smeared in anything revolts me.
Cllr Kelly: Have you ever considered a career in stand-up comedian because the crap you write never fails in making me laugh at you and your intellectual incompetance.
Go on TKMax, well done comrade.
Terry have you ever answered a straight question, or do you find that all the spin off the Labour leadership has worked down to your level?
"Perhaps you might consider contacting the thugs who are doing the smearing and ask how they are getting on with the authorities on this before making such a fool of yourself."
Terry why not give a response to these allegations ie putting your election leaflets on your blog instead of being evasive? For the record those on TW do not have criminal records. So stop calling them thugs.
There is only one fool on this site and unfortunately it is you.
They started this smear with no evidence at all just prejudice and bile,...
Is that a denial then?
You did not hand out election leaflets which doubled as free entry to local attractions?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but noone has actually managed to provide proof of this alleged wrongdoing anywhere (I'm thinking of a scanned version of the offending leaflet at least) and yet you're very prickly about it.
Stress of a long campaign?
"Will - you are a bitter man, did the election not go right for you ?"
We came first in votes and seats. I'd say that's a pretty good election for me!
"Do you intend to go over this again ?"
Yes, in fact, I do. You're nothing but a cheap hypocrite and every time you shed crocodile tears claiming that Clairwil is exploting the mentally ill, I'll have no hesitation in reminding people of your own cynical attempts to drag the LGBT community into your own political slanging matches.
It's not all that big a commitment, really, just a couple of minutes out of my day. But it's worth doing.
The Renfrewshire Labour group are fighting like ferrets in a sack and Councillor Terry Kelly is centre stage. During the candidate selection process Terry Kelly and Tommy Williams orchestrated a smear campaign against Councillor Green to keep him out the Paisley North Ward.
Many in the Labour group are concered that Cllr's Kelly and Williams are becoming liability. Terry Kelly, no stranger to the Standards Commission, is presently being investgated for a breach of electoral rules and his alleged co-conspiritor Tommy Williams is under police investigation for expenses fraud. Insiders say that Kelly sided with then group leader Williams in order to advance his position within the council but this has now backfired with
Councillor McMillan and bullying victim Councillor Green taking the leader and deputy leaders positions.
Terry Kelly is also gunning for newly elected Councillor Jim Sharkey who he blames for his daughter Rayleen's failure to be
re elected. There is also disquiet about Kelly's personal website and increasingly aggressive behaviour which party insiders fear could be used by opponents to discredit the whole Labour Group.
Whilst presenting a united front it is thought that both Kelly and Williams will be dumped at the first opportunity.
will - you're right, it only takes a couple of minutes.
Anyone who cares about the treatment of the gay community and is a member of the SNP is 'de facto' a cheap hypocrite, that means you.
Clairwil is a true nasty she will stoop to anything.
Zin zin - I put out thousands of election leaflets over the past 3/4 weeks, why can't you find one ? If you believe the bitter, twisted liar that is Clairwil and the rest of them, it's you who is the fool.
fido - have you ever thought of wearing a target ?
Have you ever asked a straight question ?
anon - you force me to conclude that you are not up to this, a bit slow perhaps ?
Have you asked yourself yet why no one has seen these leaflets ?
Remember where this started ? the rabid liar Clairwil and the rest of that right wing bunch of thugs.
Brian Daly - where have you been hiding ? please keep in touch, this is the best laugh that me and the Labour Group have had in ages.
I have only one complaint, you failed to mention that I won on the first ballot with more votes than any of my opponents, that was rather churlish of you Brian ( can I call you Brian ) was it not ? Tell us more about yourself.
anon - you force me to conclude that you are not up to this, a bit slow perhaps ?
Actually I was hoping to challenge those who have accused you of this into providing some sort of evidence or to explain why they haven't.
But as I said, you're very prickly about it...
Anyway, congraulations on your well won return to council duties. Clearly you have the support of your ward and I hope you serve them as they deserve.
Terry,
As you are well aware I have made no secret of the fact that I voted for Rayleen and Jim Sharkey in the Paisley East and Ralston Ward.
Clearly I am dismayed that Rayleen lost. However, I am sure that like many other local Labour Supporters the fall of Jim Harkins' heir apparent - Tommy Williams of course - comes as no real surprise.
For a long time I, among other Party supporters have had grave doubts about the direction of Renfrewshire's Labour Group and not to detract from any of Jim Harkins achievements, frankly, a change of leadership is long overdue.
His former Deputy will not be missed
I wish both Iain McMillan and Jackie Green well and I am sure they will do all they can to improve the situation here in Renfrewshire. I just hope you and all your colleagues rally behind them (in a supportive way rather than the knife-in-the-back way to which commentators on Renfrewshire politics have become so accustomed)
You did not win with more votes than the others. Under this method of election you all win with the SAME amount of votes. No wonder the public fluffed the ballot when those being elected do not know how it is done.
What also happened is that you were elected in round 1 of the count along with an SNP candidate, so it would be accurate to say that just as many people wanted the SNP as wanted you. That must hurt not being up on round 1 all by yourself.
anon - 'proof' - my apologies if I have misjudged you, yes I am prickly about it, I've been accused of all sorts over the past year or so by this mob of inadequate lying right wing thugs.
They haven't landed a glove yet but they operate on the maxim that if they keep mud slinging some will stick, fans of Goebelles all of them.
the cynic - I'm not sure what you mean by the 'fall' of Tom Williams as he held his seat, I assume that you refer to him not becoming group leader, again saying it was "no surprise" is a mystery to me.
I accept your concern about direction but you could be more specific, you say "his former deputy will not be missed" that's nonsense, his contribution over the years has been immense and will continue to be so.
Whatever happens we will continue as a Labour Group, we will continue to be disciplined and support each other. We have operated for over 8 yrs. With a wafer thin majority and our record is exemplary, check it for yourself, we are proud of those last 8 yrs. Iain and Jackie will continue to enjoy that loyalty and support, you have my assurance on that.
Councillor Terry Kelly:
You keep insulting Clairwil. Please can you provide some links to her alleged comments, or drop it. It is not a nice thing to accuse someone of being abusive towards mentally ill persons unless you can offer us some proof.
Your blog is worth reading by the way. It would be a shame if you ever stopped.
"Clairwil is a true nasty she will stoop to anything."
This from the man who says:
"Anyone who cares about the treatment of the gay community and is a member of the SNP is 'de facto' a cheap hypocrite, that means you."
Do you remember why I care so much about the treatment of the gay community? Do you remember that I am a member of the LGBT community? Do you remember me saying that not only am I far from the gay member of the SNP, that LGBT SNP members are in key positions in the party, and that SNP MSPs voted to repeal Section 28, and to legalise adoption by gay couples? You clearly don't, so I'm refreshing your memory.
But hey, never let the facts get in the way of a good rant, eh?
The more hate you pour in Clairwil's direction, the happier I am to support her.
RFS - I predicted this to my colleagues and got you spot on, hilarious and childish, don't you care anymore about your tattered credibility ?
What you should have said, at least to retain some dignity would be something like this :- Terry, you bucked the trend by winning easily for Labour, you won the largest vote on the first ballot, again despite the predictions.
Along with the wretched Clairwil, Jackart and the rest of the right wing thugs I failed miserably to dent you in any way despite our lies and smears the public saw through me and them, we all failed miserably.
RFS, poor lad, can't even lose decently, I think people might conclude that I triumphed, quite easily over you lot, when is one of you going to carry out the threats to have me charged with something ? Yes I'm loving this, despite the number of times I've made a fool of you and all the times I've called your bluff this is the best yet. Have you thought about how many of the thousands who read my site actually agree with you and the rest of the creeps among your mob of, What ? 12 ? 15 ? Keep trying sonny, I can put up with you for as long as you like.
Terry,
We will have to agree to disagree regarding Tommy Williams.
While you have slated the SNP for their ties with that bigot Soutar (and rightly so) I wonder if the bold Tommy still regards people being gay as a sign of "bourgeois degeneracy"
That might hark back to the times when Tommy was supposedly "hard left" - the authoritarian left really do bring real Socialists into disrepute.
I am sure that Iain McMillan and Jackie Green will do admirably in their new roles and that their influence will help restore harmony some harmony within the Labour Group.
rumbold - Clairwil descended into poison and bile when she argued with me, she cynically used people with mental handicaps to attack me, she is a shameful character thoroughly disreputable with a tongue like a drunken fish wife, a horrible person.
I don't want to go back over it, it is really distasteful, contact her and she will give you her version of events no doubt, ask her to reprint our exchanges and make up your own mind, she's some piece of work.
Her and the vile crew she runs with will not stop me from writing, I've already seen them off and I'll continue to do so, it's a pleasure to fight with them.
Terry, do we have to explain the system to you? You won the largest vote in the "first ballot" did you? There was only 1 ballot but many rounds of counting and after you got to the finishing line all other votes for you were shunted to other candidates, that is why it is called STV.
What did you say to your mates? Was it "please don't give me a kicking for plotting against you"? Eh? Bag of ferrets.
Will - carry on if you must, your support for Clairwil is just right . The rest I've dealt with, Souter should have been the last straw but you proved to be worthless.
the cynic - You are clearly partisan and some of your references are a bit obscure, what does come across is your antipathy toward Tommy Williams, it sounds personal which leads me to think that I might know who you are.
Iain and Jackie will have the support of the group as did previous leaders, I don't recognise your stuff about lack of harmony, again I'm suspicious of you, I might have to ask you to ID yourself if this goes on.
Terry,
Think what you will.
Partisan - surely that means follower/supporter. I have made no secret of my support for the Labour Party - albeit it wavers from time to time.
However, sorry Terry, but I simply do not subscribe to the view "My party right or wrong"
I have no personal antipathy towards whatsoever towards Tommy Williams. However, that does not mean to say that I agree with him or that feel that the previous local "leadership" did a good job
I suggest that you ask Tommy whether or not he made the comment ascribed to him about gay people. You never know he might just admit to it.
With me at least its not personal but I do reserve the right to comment on politicians across the political spectrum.
As its a relatively objective measure of political perspective I will use my "Political Compass" description as a being on the libertarian left. Consequently, libertarian as I might be, I have little time for the right or for the authoritarian left. That was the point I tried to make in my previous post.
If you regard that as a personal attack on Tommy-W then so be it.
However, my recent posts seem to have hit a nerve. If there is no foundation in what I am saying then why the guardedness? Okay, Ive might have passed an unwelcome comment on your mate and its your blog - you are entitled to stand up for him. Equally so I am entitled to comment; criticise even - whether it be here or in some other place.
No-one likes criticism but if an individual seeks to raise tehir profile through public office it is an occupational hazard.
I do not intend to voluntarily disclose my identity although I have no particular problem about being "outed" by you Terry - if you think you know who I am then name me here in your blog. It really does not bother me.
Comrade TKMax, keep up the good work. The socialist revolution will win in the end comrade.
I say again TKMax have you ever answered a question either correctly or not doged a question?
Terry how can you of all people accuse others of stooping to low blows, just read your own comments towards others.
You really are a shamefull little man.
Re your supposed abuse - look in the mirror Mr Kelly - mr TKMAX AND SEE HOW MUCH YOU DOLE OUT - typical new labour scum.
OK I have now read a list of everything Clarewil has written about you.Where are the bits that put her beyong the pale. I cant find them. You don't have many women on your blog do you? There is a word for that.
http://terrywatch.blogspot.com
/2007/05/all-terrible-things-clairwils-said-to.html
"The rest I've dealt with"
That's definitely a lie. Whether you're lying to yourself before you pass the lie on to others, or saying this in full knowledge that it's wrong, I don't know. What I do know is that you have never dealt with anything I've said, never challenged any point I've made, never answered any question I've asked, except with your standard series of Neanderthal grunts.
All I've ever wanted is some evidence, a quote, a meeting, anything, that shows your stance on gay rights independent of Party Political Nat-bashing. Provide that, and I haven't a leg to stand on. I even gave you an issue to comment on, and you still resorted to your usual evasive manoeuvres.
Why are you so afraid of providing the proof that can shut me up?
As to the rest of your rambling, Ruth Kelly is still in the Labour Party, as is Alasdair Morrison, as is Dennis Goldie, and yet you stay in it. So any attack you apply to me applies to you. Do you even realise that?
Cllr Terry Kelly:
You wrote that "Clairwil descended into poison and bile when she argued with me, she cynically used people with mental handicaps to attack me, she is a shameful character thoroughly disreputable with a tongue like a drunken fish wife, a horrible person."
Maybe if you were less aggressive towards people they would be less aggressive towards you. You seem to treat every criticism as a personal attack, responding in what you assume to be the same manner, which just creates a vicious circle.
RFS - Is that your response to my last post ?
"Ladies & gentlemen Mr. Terry Kelly has been elected on the first Ballot" Renfrewshire Chief Executive David Martin May 4th. 07 Linwood Sports Centre. If only you had been there you could have kept him right, or maybe you were there, hiding again of course.
You've failed a big test here, I won and you and the rest of the creeps lost, you are not handling it very well are you ?
Will - because you say something doesn't make it true, I'm not afraid of proof to shut you up because I have concluded that nothing will shut you up.
As I've said before, you bottled it, you accepted Souter's cash, you sold the jerseys.
Will, you ought to do the decent thing and let 'your' community progress without the embarrassment of you in their corner.
Cynic - Tommy reckons the quote is probably one of Leon's but he has never said that, in fact some of his best friends etc. Etc. All that stuff about your 'political compass' and your 'right to comment' sounds a bit pompous to me I'm afraid, ( no insult meant )
I hope this deals with the 'guardedness' issue. Keep your ID secret if you must, could you tell us why you remain anonymous ? Surely you accept that you will be treated more seriously if you tell us who you are.
anon - I always try to answer correctly and never dodge questions.
anon - 'low blows' I regard it as shameful to call people names and not say who you are.
anon - 'supposed abuse' I find it difficult to imagine what kind of person would write this kind of thing without facing me.
Is calling me 'scum' abusive ? what are you afraid of ? come out from your hiding place.
Morag - you're a liar.
I stand by everything I said about Clairwil, I don't deal with her I stopped dealing with her a while ago, others keep bringing her up.
Your last para. seems a bit biased, I have said this before and I'll say it again for your benefit. If someone writes to me in a reasonable way I will respond in a reasonable way, if you read the exchanges you will see that any 'aggressive' exchanges were not instigated by me, you will also find that some regular commenters have burned their boats as far as reasonable dialogue is concerned.
Trying to be reasonable with some of those I've mentioned is no longer an option.
Terry, here is your victory song!
Will you delete it like last time?
In Dublin City in nineteen thirteen
The boss was rich and the poor were slaves
The women working and children starving
Then on came Larkin like a mighty wave
The workers cringed when the boss man thundered
Seventy hours was his weekly chore
He asked for little and less was grante
Lest given little then he'd ask for more
In the month of August the boss man told us
No union man for him could work
We stood by Larkin and told the boss man
We'd fight or die, but we wouldn't shirk
Eight months we fought and eight months we starved
We stood by Larkin through thick and thin
But foodless homes and the crying of children
It broke our hearts, we just couldn't win
Then Larkin left us, we seemed defeated
The night was black for the working man
But on came Connolly with new hope and counsel
His motto was that we'd rise again
In nineteen sixteen in Dublin City
The English soldiers they burnt our town
The shelled our buildings and shot our leaders
The Harp was buried 'neath the bloody crown
They shot McDermott and Pearse and Plunkett
They shot McDonagh and Clarke the brave
From bleak Kilmainham they took Ceannt's body
To Arbour Hill and a quicklime grave
But last of all of the seven heroes
I sing the praise of James Connolly
The voice of justice, the voice of freedom
He gave his life, that man might be free
What reason should I say who I am? What difference does that make? You don't know me and even if I had an internet ID linking to a site, you still would not know me.
However what I can see of you Mr Terry Kelly smacks of antisemitism, bigotry of the worst kind and petty digs.
My sympathys to the poor people who elected you.
break dancing jesus - I only delete abuse and obscenities, I don't recall your nom deplume or deleting any songs, I printed the sash once.
This is of course the famous Dublin lock out, all socialists know this stuff it's Ireland's version of the Tanks in George Square.
'A terrible beauty' WB Yeats.
anon - 'who I am' I have an instinctive distrust for people who hide and, for people who abuse me and hide ? contempt.
"As I've said before, you bottled it, you accepted Souter's cash, you sold the jerseys"
Terry, let's extrapolate a little of your logic. Terry, you invaded Iraq. You took Bernie Ecclestone's money. You let that thieving arse Mandelson back in again and again. Need I go on? This is the nonsense of applying the same logic as you use against Will. The SNP consorting with Souter does not necessarily infer that Will does. Catch my drift?
jim lewis - you seem to have sobered up but, you forgot about that time we shot Bambi's mother.
Terry,
Once again you seem to be missing the point
Firstly, my reference to the Political Compass was simply to give you an idea where I stand politically.
Secondly, I am pleased to hear that Tommy aparently does not subscribe to the view, that being gay is a sign of "bourgeois degeneracy". It might well have been Trotsky who originally said it but I have it on very good authority that they heard those words from Tommy's rather than Leon's lips; albeit a number of years back. However, you must agree that its not the sort of quote that often arises in daily conversation.
Thirdly, this difference of opinion arose because I happened to mention that a change of leadership within the Labour Group was perhaps (over)due. I also suggested that this change might help improve harmony within the group. Clearly a majority of your colleagues were also of the view that it was time for change. Obviously, I did not actually play any part in this coup I simply welcomed the change and I am sure that there many others happy to see that rather than more of the same.
Fourthly, you didnt actually address the question as to why you are so guarded when it comes to criticism of the previous administration -or at least its leadership.
Fifthly, I said quite clearly I do not take the view "My party right or wrong". Accordingly, if I feel that a Labour politician is in the wrong I will say so. On that theme I for one am glad to see Blair at last tell us that he does intend to go at the end of June. Apart from the fact it is regrettable he ever became leader in the first place, its a pity he didnt go a while back - the election result last week might not have been as disappointing
Ruth Kelly and Alan Millburn are only two among others I'd gladly stick on a desert island.
Finally, I dont care what credence my comments are given by those who read this blog. I see no need to reveal my identity; at least at this stage. You implore me to "to tell us who you are" - just who do you mean by the collective "us" - those who visit this blog or those who don't share my views regarding the outgoing group leadership? - just wondered. Revealing my identity would probably simply reinforce that what I am saying is far nearer the truth than you would ever care to admit
As I have said we'll have to agree to disagree on these issues.
Terry Kelly = Homophobe
What a vile thing to do.
You really are beneath contempt.
red rooster - I doubt if anyone except you lot will buy this.
cynic - I don't want to be insulting but, do you need to be so verbose ?
Are you trying to bore me into submission ?
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