Who is that do you think ? yes of course it's Salmond, why do I say this again ? The Scotsman Newspaper on Saturday carried an article by prominent Scottish businessman Brian Dempsey, in this article Mr. Dempsey stated that Annabelle Goldie, Jack McConnell, Nicol Steven and Alex Salmond were all capable of doing a good job as first minister, nothing wrong with that you might think, notwithstanding my own antipathy to Salmond, Mr. Dempsey is entitled to his opinion.
So, what happened next ? well, Salmond then attended a business breakfast where he told the assembled press that he had been endorsed by one of Scotland's best known business leaders, the hapless and blameless Mr. Dempsey which of course he had.
He deliberately misled everyone however by not mentioning the endorsement by Mr. Dempsey of the other three party leaders, what kind of man carries on like this ? what kind of charlatan is Mr. Salmond ? can he get any lower ? can you vote for someone as deceitful as Salmond ?
Mr. Dempsey actually went on to say that he would be voting Labour and guess what ? the slippery Salmond didn't mention this either. I wonder how Mr. Dempsey feels about Salmond as first minister now, is this suitable behaviour for a man who wants to lead the country ? you must decide.
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Yes, I agree that this is totally different from the time last week I sat in traffic for half an hour and when I got home there was a leaflet through the door from the Labour council candidate who told me all the wonderful things they had done in the last term but neglected to mention that they had dug up the town centre, turned the place into one huge traffic jam and have approved another 1000 houses in Braehead.
Slippery? Politicians lie all the time, get over yourself Terry, your pedestal is all shoogly
RFS - Politicians are all the same, they are all in it for what they can get.
That's pretty pedestrian, even for you.
Actually - praise where praise is due. Terry did just point out a error in another politician's rhetoric, without resorting to (much) personal abuse, any of which is, in mr Salmonds case entirely justified. He is a slippery fish.
I think Terry should be congratulated for a reasonable and well-argued (for him) outburst.
Terry! You're learning. Keep it up
B++
Why are you in it then?
RFS - I forgot to add that we are all corrupt, Britain has some of the best politicians that money can buy.
jackart - 'praise' - what's your angle ?
So what are you in it for?
RFS - Did I mention that we are all self serving crooks and you know that we are telling lies when our lips move, there must be other stuff.
Terry,
I am certainly no fan of Salmond or his motley crew - they can not maintain the pretence of being "all things to all people" forever.
However, Labour can no longer take for granted its long standing, traditional support.
At Westminster, at Holyrood as well as at Cotton Street and council chambers throughout the country our Labour representatives really need to remember that they represent the interests of ordinary people not big business.
Not to say that Labour should be anti-business, or pereceived as such, but those who get to position of authority on the back of the Labour movement should remember its roots and what it stands for; or at least it used to.
No, I am honestly interested, why are you in politics Terry?
Cynic - I agree with all of this but you are in danger of tarring everyone with the same brush.
I think you might be surprised at what goes on at Labour meetings, there are many good socialists in the Labour Party and we haven't forgotten our roots or what we stand for, there is a struggle going onand I'm not giving up.
RFS - I think I've answered this.
Come and see my mansion, I promise not to try to spot you. Follow me to my yacht, I'll be in my Rolls Royce, I won't look at your face. All without doing a hands turn.
Is the point of your blog that at a 'business breakfast' Alex Salmond didn't praise the leaders of the other parties? I don't think anyone present at that breakfast would have expected Alex Salmond to come in singing the praises of the opposition, do you honestly think he should have?
It's hardly in the same league as misleading parliament about WMD in Iraq?
BTW I'm glad to hear that there are still many good socialists in the Labour Party and we haven't forgotten our roots or what we stand for, there is a struggle going on
Will you let us know when you've got it running the way you'd like it to be? then maybe we can think about voting for you again.
anon - 'Salmond's breakfast' you start off supporting the SNP and you end up accepting the underhand behaviour of people like Salmond.
The whole lot of you are united by one thing only - a festering dislike of England and the English, the politics of envy and poison.
You embarrass decent Scots. everywhere
The whole lot of you are united by one thing only - a festering dislike of England and the English, the politics of envy and poison.
Nothing I said in the previous post mentioned support for the SNP or any anti-English sentiment.
I simply stated that it wasn't realistic to expect Alex Salmond to attend a business breakfast promoting his political opponents.
You seem to think that his behaviour, in promoting himself, was somehow misleading and my retort is that it isn't anywhere near the level of misleading parliament and the country into an illegal and unwinnable war
You embarrass decent Scots. everywhere
Not stooping to personal attacks again, I see!
The whole lot of you are united by one thing only - a festering dislike of England and the English, the politics of envy and poison.
How does that compare with your own USA prejudices do you think?
anon - I am anti America with ref. to many of their policies, Im not anti American - do you grasp that ?
anon - Salmond was deliberately misleading, he is the most dishonest politician I've ever come across.
It would be rather silly of me to accuse someone who remains anonymous of anything, the SNP are an embarrassment to Scots everywhere.
It would be rather silly of me to accuse someone who remains anonymous of anything,
and yet you do, often!
the SNP are an embarrassment to Scots everywhere.
I'm a Scot and I'm not embarrassed by the SNP. Many of my friends are Scots, none of them are embarassed by the SNP.
The only people I know embarassed by the SNP are the likes of yourself and Gordon Brown, who have been made to look foolish by them, time and time again...
(examples abound, but the derision with which Alex Salmond met El Gordo's claims that Gazza's goal against us was his favourite sporting moment, is one of my favorites).
anon - 'SNP embarrassment' I think the salient point here is that Gordon Brown picked a brilliant goal by a great player without considering the reaction from knuckle dragging SNP clowns like you, ie he saw the moment of skill without having to look through a tartan veil.
If someone is to be criticised for choosing a great goal only because it was scored against Scotland you are in big trouble.
In your parochial little world it seems to be OK to praise a sporting achievement as long as it's not by someone who is English, when you and your kind claim to speak for Scotland, please leave me out.
without considering the reaction from knuckle dragging SNP clowns like you
The old ad-homs still below you then?
Are we to think then that you also consider Gazza's goal to be one of the great sporting moments?
In your parochial little world it seems to be OK to praise a sporting achievement as long as it's not by someone who is English, when you and your kind claim to speak for Scotland, please leave me out.
Not that I ever claimed to speak for Scotland, but why don't you ask your general public in Paisley when you're asking them whether they know any SNP members if they concurr with Gordon's views on Gazza - you might get the odd (pun intended) Bluenose to agree, but that would be it.
As for my parochial little world... you've some nerve, chief - given that you've already accepted it's silly of you to assume anything about someone who remains anonymous, but perhaps if you engaged with the wider world rather than the populace of a 'Labour Stronghold' you might get the bigger picture.
BTW - Here's a great sporting moment for you - Maradona picking the ball up inside his own half, dribbling past 5 International defenders before beating a world class goalkeeper in a 60 metre dribbling masterclass... Do you think Gordon would have mentioned that one to his beloved English interviewer ?
anon - 'great sporting moments' Diego's great goal was made even greater because it was against England wasn't it. You pathetic eejit.
'great sporting moments' Diego's great goal was made even greater because it was against England wasn't it.
yep! and the English journalistic bombast pre game along with their bleating about his hand of god moment earlier, made it all the sweeter...
You pathetic eejit.
Crikey! that's a bit harsh!
I mean, I am Scottish. We are the oldest international rivals in football. In fact, between us we invnented the International game. Of course, I do admit to a touch of schadenfreude, but it hardly makes me a 'pathetic eejit' now does it?
Funnily enough though I was just discussing with the wife our favourite sporting moments of all time and you may be surprised by a few of them:
Linford Christie winning the 100m final (watched it in the wee howf in the high st and was amazed by the reaction of everyone in the pub supporting big Linford).
Steve Redgrave winning his 5th gold - awesome.
Guscott's dropped goal against the Springboks for a Lions series victory in 1997.
The Toonie flip.
The All blacks demolition of England in the 1995 World cup. The greatest 19 minutes of International rugby ever seen, topped of by a massive drop goal from Zinzan Brooke... (and yes, beacause it was over England, it was all the sweeter... as most New Zealanders and Zinny himself would probably agree!)
So many wonderful sporting moments to choose from but to attempt to ingratiate yourself with the English, by claiming the goal that put your own country out of the European championships was one of your favourite moments is pathetic, and noone I know thinks otherwise, including my English work collegues!
anon - what kind of person denies sporting excellence because it was done by an Englishman. The likes of you invented the Scottish cringe.
All the other references to other sporting achievements is a pathetic attempt to make yourself look less like a parochial oaf.
anon - what kind of person denies sporting excellence because it was done by an Englishman. The likes of you invented the Scottish cringe.
I never denied any such thing, I am casting doubt that a Scotsman supporting his team in an important qualifying fixture could consider a goal against Scotland as his favourite sporting moment.
All the other references to other sporting achievements is a pathetic attempt to make yourself look less like a parochial oaf.
I can see how you object to it when people accuse you of stooping to insult instead of reason. That never happens!
Did you try doing a straw poll of your friends and voters? How many of them thought that Broon's claim to loving the Gazza goal wasn't a poor attempt to ingratiate himself with an English audience.
Anyway, what's your favourite sporting moment? I've given you 5
cracking moments (if we include Diego's wonder goal!) and 19 minutes of sublime rugby.
Zidane's goal at Hampden in the Champions league final should be worth a shout. His entire performance against Brazil in the last world cup was 90 minutes of genius.
For a contest, how about some the Sampras-Agassi tennis matches?
You've already expressed disaste for boxing, but there's been some great contests there too.
Maybe Fergies goal in the 1987 Scottish cup final would be an appropriate moment for a Renfrewshire councillor to savour?
anon - 'sports' Unlike you, I don't look at a person's nationality, it means nothing to me, I look at the achievement and that is all. You're desperately trying to claim now that the 'English' thing has nothing to do with it, you're kidding no one, your anti English sentiments are pathetic and have no place in the sporting world.
Anyone picking their favourite sporting moment will be subjective won't they, as your five examples show.
Is it coincidence that no English person scrapes a mention ? No Hurst ( world cup final hat trick ) not one Charlton goal ( two great goals in European cup final ) as well as countless others.
Anyway if you must play this game, McEnroe in his prime would have beaten Sampras and Agassi at the same time, and Gemmil's goal against Holland was pretty good, even the dutch said that, you could learn from them.
You're desperately trying to claim now that the 'English' thing has nothing to do with it, you're kidding no one, your anti English sentiments are pathetic and have no place in the sporting world.
Why would I, as anonymous as I am on this thread, be desperately trying to claim anything.
I've put forward a view shared by many people that Broon made a gaff picking the Gazza goal in order to ingratiate himself with the English, and unlike him, I think they're not going to be fooled by his false claim.
Rather than lower myself to the average level of mud slinging on this page, I then attempted to find out a little more about you by asking a fairly reasonable question, but you continue battering on with this theme that I somehow have an anti-English bias.
We don't need to carry on with that, you don't know me and I've seen enough of your efforts to understand how difficult it is for you to think beyond the party line.
But, it also happens that I am an avid sports fan and so I'm interested in your views.
Is it coincidence that no English person scrapes a mention ? No Hurst ( world cup final hat trick ) not one Charlton goal ( two great goals in European cup final ) as well as countless others.
Last time I looked, Linford Christie, Jerry Guscott and Sir Steve Redgrave were all English. The others you mention were before my time. I suppose if there is any coincidence at all, it would be that my favourite moments all took place after 1980.
Other great English sporting moments for me though, would be when the middle distance champions that were Coe, Ovett and Cram ruled. I also loved Daley Thompson's efforts in the decathalon.
Nottingham Forest in the European cup was pretty special too, but I confess... It's because John Robertson was in the team!
Also, further partisan moments were the Scotland rugby Grand Slams of 1984 and 1990. 1990 being all the sweeter, because we beat England at Murrayfield in the first game where the entire championship rested on a single game (Calcutta Cup, Triple crown, and 5 Nations championship). Again, I confess, beating our oldest, nearest and fiercest rivals made it all the sweeter.
Anon - 'sports' your accusation about Brown doesn't stand up he would have to be pretty stupid to do something as obvious that, and we know he isn't stupid don't we ? Would he be a Raith Rovers fan if he was as devious as you say ?
As far as thinking beyond the party line is concerned you clearly don't know what you are talking about, the debates and arguments within the Labour Party would surprise you but once a democratic decision is taken the members accept the majority decision and get on with it, a lot of garbage is talked about being a rebel against the party, any party, if you can't accept that decision then you should resign.
I believe that the greatest sports person in Scottish history was Benny Lynch, Eric Liddle must have been quite something and it was of course a Scottish team who were the first British team to win the European cup. What I said about boxing was that I have grave concerns about it but am fascinated by it ( I tried it as a youngster ) I sat up to watch De La Hoya V Mayweather - ( arguments about the toughest sport in the world shouldn't include boxing IMO ) how's that ?
As far as thinking beyond the party line is concerned you clearly don't know what you are talking about,
Fair enough, but this is your blog isn't it? And your refusal to sway from the Labour parties view that anyone criticising it or harbouring vaguely national tendencies must be anti-English is simply wrong.
... how's that ?
Pretty Good. I'd forgotten about Liddel, but the assistant head at my school was fascinated by him and often brought him up. A true boys own hero... Scored a few tries for Scotland too I believe, beyond what he did for that Vangelis music ;-)
Benny Lynch is a heartbreaker. Read a great biography of him, but his descent into the drink is all too typical of our race I fear.
I also remember the buzz when Jim Watt was World Champion, although too young to really have understood why... I don't think that boxing is held in the high regard that it once was though, mainly for the farce that the heavyweight division has become. Having been in the ring for the odd milling session, yes, I wouldn't argue against boxing being the toughest sport.
Anon - 'party line' If you read the headline on this site you'll see that these are my opinions not the Labour Party's I assume that you are new to my site or you would know that I do not follow party policy here, I am free to disagree and often do.
I detest any kind of nationalism, if the best thing you have going for you is an accident of birth ( born in Scotland ) you are in trouble, ie 'it might be rubbish but at least it's Scottish rubbish"
For what it's worth the DeLa Hoya fight was billed as the greatest ever, I think they got it wrong by a long way but they did produce a terrific bout.
For what it's worth the DeLa Hoya fight was billed as the greatest ever, I think they got it wrong by a long way but they did produce a terrific bout.
Can't believe that 2 guys sorting out their retirement plans was ever going to be the 'best fight ever' - which is why I didn't leave the pub in time I suppose.
I find it hard to see past the era of Benn, Eubanks, Watson and then Collins. The Middleweight division was always my favourite though and I remember being very excited by Sugar Ray Leonard pinching Marvelous Marvin Hagler's title... Him being unbeatable in my young mind!
Pretty scunnered with boxing these days, have hopes for Amhir Khan though!
anon - My earliest memories of boxing are around the Marciano era, my boxing mad dad read 'Ring' magazine and never missed the chance to watch bouts, he also taught me and my seven brothers to box.
16 oz gloves like pillow cases and the drying green was the ring, great fun until my brother Gerry proved to be such a bad loser that he took the gloves in to the cupboard under the stairs and set fire to them, nearly burning the house down in the process.
The weights you refer to were my favourites except during the Ali era. I remember the time of the real 'sugar ray' + Tony Zale, Graziano, Jake Lamotta and further on to Duran, leonard, Hearns and Hagler, a real golden age for boxing I hope it comes back.
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