'We can no longer term our military a Defense force.
"A defense force does not conquer lands of other people. A defense force does not assist in the building of settlements. Pointless occupation of millions of people only leads to radicalization of opinions, hatred and the escalation of violence. Violence is a cycle that feeds into itself. This cycle will not stop until someone stands up and refuses uncompromisingly to take part in it.
Maya Wind,
Israeli Conscientious Objector.
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Councillor, three points...
(1)We dont have a War Ministry, we have the M.o.Defence, but that didn't stop Blair & Brown going to war in Afghanistan.
(2)Maya Wind is one of many Istraeli conscientious objectors...is there a Palestinian version?
(3)Are there really millions of Palestinians unwillingly under Israeli occupation?
“We don’t have a war ministry” well bully for you the Israeli girl used the wrong term. Blair and Brown and quite a few others went to war in Afghanistan, so what exactly is your point? Is there a Palestinjian version? Do the Palestinians need one?
Kelly @ 3.46
Councillor, can you name another British PM who has been stupid enough to order his Ministry of Defence to invade Afghanistan?
And yes, I think, along with Maya,a few Palestinian conscientious objectors would benefit the Peace process, dont you?
Tuesday, November 27, 2012 3:46:00 PM Byeck.
I believe we invaded Afghanistan in the 18 30’s as well as other times and it ended rather ignominiously I’m not going looking for the name but I would guess at that time it would probably have been Gladstone or Disraeli who was PM.
“I think, along with Maya,a few Palestinian conscientious objectors would benefit the Peace process, dont you?”
I most certainly do not. There are tens and tens of thousands of Israelis and Jews all over the world who believe that Israeli is the aggressor, the occupier, the jailer, the torturer. I have never heard a single Palestinian accept any blame for the conflict and they are right not to.
Kelly @ 7.44
Gladstone or Disraeli, PMs' in the 1830's..not big on political history, are you, Councillor? PM was Peel... and Kabul happened in 1842.
Bring the troops home, is what I say, dont you agree?
Byeck said...Kelly @ 7.44 Tuesday, November 27, 2012 9:18:00 PM
From 18 32 to 18 94 the two giants of British politics were Gladstone and Disraeli with Gladstone serving 4 terms as PM and Disraeli 2 terms + just about every other major office of state between them,several times each. My educated guess wasn't bad at all.
I'm not in a position to say whether we should bring the troops home. I would think that taking such a position without a certain degree of expertise would be to say the least rather silly don't you think?
So I got some dates wrong and the young Israeli C.O. got the name of a department wrong, is that really the basis of your arguments?
Gladstone or Disraeli, PMs' in the 1830's..not big on political history, are you, Councillor? PM was Peel... and Kabul happened in 1842.
Bring the troops home, is what I say, dont you agree?
Kelly @ 1.01
Argument should be fact-based, councillor, and sources should be checked. You failed on both counts.
But to answer your question, the basis of my argument is, why no Arab C.O.'s? Is it only the Israelis' who want peace?
And to quote my friend Mr Dhand, 'HAMAS is bloody lucky it's the IDF and not the Syrian army.'
Wednesday, November 28, 2012 1:48:00 PM Byeck
I wasn’t that far wrong, I could have checked easily but couldn't be bothered, I’m finding it increasingly more difficult to take you seriously.
I think it is safe to say that the Palestinians want peace but Palestinian C.O’s would be to take lack of logic to extremes. When someone murders your children, demolishes your home and takes your land by occupying your country would you be a CO? It is getting difficult to take you seriously.
Kelly @ 1.48
Councillor,your grip on reality is as tenuous as your relationship with the truth.
I've tried, but I dont believe the 1500+ rockets fired at Israel carried Season's Greetings.
Byeck said...
Kelly @ 1.48Thursday, November 29, 2012 8:15:00 PM
Blood soaked Zionist murderers of innocent women and children, those who occupy another country, expel it’s people, destroy their homes and villages, who jail and torture the people they have subjugated. War criminals on a par with history’s worst tyrants and despotic regimes” These are not the people to associate with if you are in search of the truth.
Kelly @ 8.16
Yes, yes, Councillor, laying aside your shambolic, nonsensical rant, can we get back to having your views on the 1500 rockets, launched by your peace loving terrorist mates to wish Israel compliments of the Season?
Byeck said...
Kelly @ 8.16 Friday, November 30, 2012 4:33:00 PM.
"Yes, yes, Councillor, laying aside your shambolic, nonsensical rant"
I have learned over the past 4 decades or so that those who describe me as using "shambolic, nonsensical rants" in relation to the Palestinians and the crimes against them by Israel. Tend to be Zionist thugs,gangsters and war criminals as bad and evil as any in history.
Kelly @ 6.26
The rockets, Councillor,the rockets. You completely forgot to mention the 1500 rockets fired at Israel.
Byeck. Kelly @ 6.26
Palestine is an occupied country, occupied by war criminals, torturers and murderers of innocent children.
If I was a Palestinian I sincerely hope I would have the courage to fight the invader. I would not hesitate to fire anything I could get my hands on at the Israelis. The numbers of sticks, stones or rockets would not concern me, the greater the number the better. I trust this answers your question.
Kelly @ 6.27
They're firing the the rockets at civilian targets, you bloodthirsty little bugger.
Does this mean you agree with the Bomber Harris doctrine, circa WW11?
Byeck said...Sunday, December 02, 2012 8:31:00 PM Kelly @ 6.27
Their aim must be terrible. Have you seen the score.
Kelly @ 4.37
Their rockets, Councillor,like your good self, are misguided.
I bid you a courteous goodnight from this particular post
Byeck said...
Kelly @ 4.37 Monday, December 03, 2012 5:10:00 PM.
I find it impossible to be courteous to anyone who supports the actions of Israel in Palestine.
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