Sunday, November 18, 2012


Israel uses sophisticated attack jets and naval vessels to bomb densely-crowded refugee camps, schools. apartment blocks, mosques and slums to attack a population that has no air force, no air defences, no navy, no heavy weapons, no artillery units, no mechanized armour, no command in control, no army....and calls it war, it is not a war, it's murder.



Byeck said...

Councillor, let me simplify things for you..if you shoot at me with your little gun, knowing my gun is bigger and better than yours, then you're a bloody fool and shouldn't complain when you get clobbered.

And the rockets landing in Israel, where the hell do you suggest they're coming from?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

When the vast majority of your land has been taken by force and remains occupied by an invader. When millions of your people have had their homes and land bulldozed to create illegal Israeli settlements. When the invader continues to take land and property by force and treat your people like sub humans, creating millions of refugees.

What would you do with your "little gun" throw it in to the sea and roll over? The Israeli's are war criminals and they are as bad as any evil regime in history. They will pay the price.

Byeck said...

Councillor, those Israel-bound rockets - they were fired from Gaza, weren't they?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

If that is your answer to what I asked you then you should be ashamed of yourself.

Byeck said...

Councillor, a wee reminder...I did ask where the rockets came from on Sunday 18th. It's now Wednesday and you still haven't answered.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Of course the rockets came from Gaza, have you no shame will you answer my question what would you do if you were a Palestinian and the Israeli's had bulldozed your home destroyed your village turned millions of your people in to refugees. Waged war on helpless women and children, would you ask them to please stop killing Palestinians and stop building illegal settlements or would you fight no matter how out gunned you were would you fight? what would you do?

Byeck said...

Course I'd fight, Sunshine...but I wouldn't squeal foul because the opposition is bigger and better.

Let me make it even simpler for you, Councillor...if the local 8st weakling stood at your gate, for a month, throwing rocks at your family, the way rockets have been thrown at Israel, a big, brave, feller like you would surely do whatever it took to discourage them?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Byeck said...Wednesday, November 21, 2012 8:21:00 PM
A brave fella like me would not have the guy at his door because this brave fella would never occupy his country expel him and his family, build illegal homes on his land and generally treat him and his fellow Palestinians like sub humans.

There is no justification for Israel's actions and anyone who tries to defend what they have done and continue to do is a poor excuse for a human being.

Anonymous said...

Didn't Human Rights Watch condemn Hamas for various abuses such as imprisonment without trial, torture, and arbitrary execution? And isn't it a proxy for Iranian interference in the ME? Such a black and white view you have, councillor. I'm not a fan of Netanyahu and the Israeli blockade is wrong, but Hamas are reaping what they've sown.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Hamas are the democratically elected leaders of the Palestinians and there is no excuse that can be made for the actions of Israel, they are guilty of war crimes and are as bad as any vile regime in history.

Byeck said...

'Hamas are the democratically elected leaders of Palestine.'

Yes, dear and Mugabe is the democratically elected leader of Zimbabwe, Castro is the democratically elected leader of Cuba and Uncle Joe was the Peoples Choice for the USSR.

Now take your medication and go have a nice nap, there's a good Councillor.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Churchill, Thatcher, Cameron, Nixon, Bush, Regan. Ben Gurion. Begin, Sharon, Netanyahu.

3 cheers for what you call democracy.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Churchill, Thatcher, Cameron, Nixon, Bush, Regan. Ben Gurion,Begin, Sharon, Netanyahu.

Anonymous said...

Hamas might be democratically elected, but they're still a theocratic party that believes in the subjugation of women and the persecution of gays, and in the destruction of Israel and the murder of Jews. If you had a shred of self-awareness you'd hang your head in shame at your support for people like that.

As far as your comment about democracy is concerned, what's your point? That sometimes it leads to the election of people you don't like? Everyone of the people you've listed (with the exception of Nixon) was replaced with a democratically elected replacement. You're really pretty confused, aren't you?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

The subjugation of women goes on in quite a few places including here,and in the USA they nearly got Romney. Ditto gays, Israel wants to destroy Palestine and murder Palestinians.

“As far as your comment about democracy is concerned, what's your point?”
The point is that I don’t buy the we are democratic and the others aren’t crap.

As always I’m as completely unconfused as you are gullible.

Anonymous said...

Yes, but there isn't a party in power here or in the USA that says that women shouldn't leave the house unless they're accompanied by a male relative, or that they should be stoned to death if they sleep with a man they're not married to, is there? Are you really suggesting an equivalence between the residual culture of sexism we have in the west and the dogmatically entrenched misogyny of people like Hamas? Really?

Israel doesn't want to destroy Palestine: if it did, it could have done it any any time over the last forty or fifty years. I assume the reason they didn't was because they're scared of the disapproval of useful idiots like you, eh?

As far as your comment about democracy is concerned, we get to pick our governments. People in countries like Cuba have apparatchiks foisted on them by those murderous old bores, the Castro brothers and their lackeys.

You're right about one thing: you're not confused. Confusion implies the capability to grasp two contradictory ideas before analysing them and discarding one or both. You don't have the brains for that. You're just a stupid, intolerant nyaff who thinks whatever your unquestioning obedience to tired and discredited ideologies tells you too. And you've the brass neck to call anyone gullible? You, who recently referred glowingly to Stalin's humanitarian instincts? Scotland's last surviving Stalinist-how quaint.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Sunday, November 25, 2012 8:10:00 PM Anonymous.

yes, but there isn't a party in power here or in the USA that says that women shouldn't leave the house unless they're accompanied by a male relative.

Absolute bollocks. Comparisons are odious! So your defence is we are a misogynistic society but they are more misogynistic than we are, brilliant! In Israel a Jewish woman is not allowed to have sex with an Arab man unless the man declares to her that he is an Arab beforehand if he does not do so he is committing a crime, racist bastards. .

To destroy Palestine in one fell swoop would have been a war crime too far even for the Zionist mass murderers. Useful idiots of course like you you would have sanctioned that, but they are doing it bit by bit.

The Cuban system is different from ours but not inferior; it is in fact a far more healthy democracy. In Guantanamo Bay Cuba the Americans have held prisoners for 11 years without charge let alone trial, that’s the democracy you are so proud of. No I’m not in the least bit confused, I can spot people like you a mile off, time you went and polished your jackboots.

"You, who recently referred glowingly to Stalin's humanitarian instincts?"

Proof if any were needed that you are indeed a gullible idiot.

Anonymous said...

Ah. So you were joking when you described Stalin as a humanitarian? I see. Is there anything else you've written that's deliberately tongue in cheek? All of it, perhaps?

In Cuba, elections are held with one candidate for each seat, after he or she has been vetted by a government appointed election committee. That's clearly superior to our system, isn't it?

I don't think that we're a misogynistic society. Have the grace to admit that I didn't, will you? I think we're still culturally sexist, but that's fading away. There is, I'm sure you'll agree, a difference between that and a society controlled by a party where women are perceived as being divinely marked as inferior intellectually and morally?

You assume that I support Israel in what they've done in Gaza? Is that because I criticised Hamas and you're too stupid to see the world in terms of anything other than black and white?

I'm not proud of American democracy. Why would I be? I'm not American, and I think that locking anyone up without trial is a disgrace. Shame your poster boy Obama disagrees, isn't it?

Incidentally, who are the racist bastards you refer too? Israelis, or Jews generally? Go and polish your own jackboots, you clown.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Tuesday, November 27, 2012 9:47:00 PM Anonymous.

Women are not suitable to be bishops in the British state Church? Oops!

“Is that because I criticised Hamas and you're too stupid to see the world in terms of anything other than black and white?”

Not at all, when I'm discussing the Palestinian/Israel conflict with someone who starts attacking the Palestinian side I know what I am dealing with, an apologist for evil and a supporter of war criminals.

“Western democracy” is no position to lecture anybody and only fools hold it in high regard.

If you want to reply you better drop the personal insults, I don’t like being spoken to like that and will generally only allow it when I can see the face of the person doing it, what do you say?

"Incidentally, who are the racist bastards you refer too? Israelis, or Jews generally?"

Ah the old fall back argument eh? anyone whom you can't get the better of in the Israel/Palestine argument is an anti Semite, pathetic!