When you imagine that human beings are capable of horrific thoughts and deeds; when you consider the truly awful things that humans have done it makes you despair; a row of good deeds and some quiet contemplation can partly restore your belief that we are basically decent; witness the response to the Haiti tragedy; the world is rushing to help. Except that is for some people who live in the richest country in the world America; I have no doubt that there will be some disturbed evil people who couldn’t care less about the dead the suffering and the dying outside America but the ones I refer to are prominent Americans; well educated influential and very wealthy; the Lord tells folks to give them money; praise the Lord; and pass the collection plate.
Pat Robertson is a very rich “Evangelical Christian” who has his own Church and is a regular TV interviewee; his brand of right wing hell fire Christianity has to be seen to be believed; he makes Ian Paisley and the late Rev. Jack Glass look like Altar Boys. His television response to the Haiti tragedy was that the people of Haiti had it coming because they made a “pact with the devil” he went on to say that it could be a “blessing in disguise” I will leave you to consider these remarks of Mr. Robertson; oh; and did I mention that he was a Republican candidate to run for president against Obama; oh yes he was he really was; and remains a very popular influential American “Man of God”
Next up is a very rich disc Jockey called Rush Limbaugh who has a radio show which has a huge following his reaction was that the Haiti tragedy was the "fault of Communism" ? And that Americans should “not donate a dime” to the Haiti appeal. This evil man is also an influential Republican; these truly wicked and horrible people are powerful players in Republican politics. I’m not the most religious person in the world but it’s at such times as these that I hope there is a devil and a hell and that he is keeping the warmest corner of hell for these two god fearing patriotic Americans.
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The truth is that they did make a pact with the devil.
Now the significance you put on that pact I guess has to do with whether you believe the devil is real or not.
But it is one of Haiti's founding myths.
http://muse.jhu.edu/login?uri=/journals/small_axe/v009/9.2laroche.html
According to Haitian national history, the revolutionary war was launched on the eve of a religious ceremony at a place in the north called Bwa Kayiman (Bois Caiman, in French). At that ceremony on August 14, 1791, an African slave named Boukman sacrificed a pig, and both Kongo and Creole spirits descended to possess the bodies of the participants, encouraging them and fortifying them for the upcoming revolutionary war. Despite deep ambivalence on the part of intellectuals, Catholics, and the moneyed classes, Vodou has always been linked with militarism and the war of independence and, through it, the pride of national sovereignty.
So, yeah if there is a devil, Haiti made a pact with it. Might explain why even though Haiti and the Dominican Republic share the same island, the Dominican Republic has been far more successful.
Their not the only trash exploiting this horror for political gain. This cretin is at it to stir up hated against france and the usa
http://clairwil.blogspot.com/2010/01/haiti.html
IMHO this it racist.
"I'm not the most religious person in the world".
From your previous posts, I don't believe that.
(Anonymous) 17/01/10
“The truth is that they did make a pact with the devil”
I’m not reading any further than the above; you need to go and lie down in a quiet room somewhere.
(Anonymous) 17/01/10
You should not make the error of taking this girl seriously; she either has an encyclopaedic knowledge of Haiti and its history or she has rather unsubtly cut and pasted this post; my money is on the latter.
She is a vain self absorbed clown and a figure of fun; best ignore her.
(Hamish) 18/01/10
Would you like to explain that Hamish; can you give examples or are we back to the teuchterspeak?
@anon,
Hatian Voudou has nothing whatsover to do with satan or satanism.
Can you give me a clue what you are talking about.
Councillor, you have taken another step towards boring the pants off your more intelligent commentators, i.e. those who disagree with you - cut out the censorship..
"Can you give me a clue what you are talking about"
Yes. The first comment on this thread states that Haitians made a pact with the devil and supplies as 'evidence the fact that a vodou ceremony was held prior the revolutionary war.
This ceremony was held and is no different from say the British army attending a church service. It has nothing to do with satan or satanism.
Vodou practice in Haiti is fully permitted by the Catholic church and has absorbed many aspects of the Catholic faith -for example many of the spirits are represented and believed by followers to be linked to various christian saints. In common with Christianity, followers of vodou believe in one God.
Personally I think all religion is nonsense but there is nothing at all sinister about vodou and I was a bit irked by the above anonymous person trying to imply there was.
"makes Ian Paisley & Jack Glass look like altar boys"
This made me laugh. Not a comparison either of them would be happy about.
Tell me about the censorship then.
(Anonymous) 19/01/10
I went back and read it and I agree with you; most religions make claims which to those who are non believers are difficult to fathom; voodoo in that sense is no different; this person appears to be saying that Haiti has been historically punished while it’s non voodoo neighbour the Dominican Republic has been smiled on. It takes all kinds I suppose.
(Oakwood) 08:05
Limbaugh and Robertson are a pair of deeply evil b******s they make me want to go for a good wash after seeing them.
Censorship
Kelly, you chop out the 'can't answer' and 'Labour in a bad light.' questions. You know it and I know it.
And as you would not publish a more detailed reply, I cannot be a***d to answer
Like most people, I’m glad my loving parents smacked me
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(Anonymous) 19/01/10
I have never changed my policy; I chop out nothing and I print everything that is printable. What you are doing is the easiest smear in the world because you know it’s impossible for me to defend it; that is why you won’t give examples and also why you hide your identity.
Censorship
Kelly the posts I refer to did not smear anyone.
You censored the originals, so the chance of you publishing repeats, is a touch less than minimal
You are lying and you know it.
You are a liar - anyone who takes the trouble to read past comments will see that I print everything that is printable and I take on everyone no matter who they are critical of.
'I print everything that is printable and I take on everyone no matter who they are critical of.'
This is nonsense. Lots of people are banned from commenting here.
Tell me about them then.
All the people you've banned:
Audrey, Ronnie, Right for Scotland, Surreptitious Evil, Hamish, Clairwills, Martin Kelly (after commissioning a psychiatric report on him without his consent), Shotgun, Will Patterson, Red Mist. There are probably many more if you can handle debate why have these folk been banned for debating you?
TK,
Just caught a glimpse of your stuff on a recent post at The Guardian; I assume that it was genuinely from you. I live in the States and I do not remember Pat Robertson running for President in 2008. Mr. Robertson ran in the Republican primaries in 1988 against George H. W. Bush, but he is now quite old and not really a force in U.S. politics anymore.
Cult religion and communism are a pretty potent combination. I hope that the lefties in Scotland would think before emulating what our neighbors in Haiti have done. Here in the States our lefties look to pest holes like Cuba and Venezuela for inspiration.
The earthquake was an act of nature, and the only decent response is compassion and help. But the poverty that preceded the quake was an act of mankind.
BeegJeem
Israeli aid teams have been given permission to take organs from Haiti. Disgusting
(Anonymous) 21/01/10
I don’t know about all these people I remember Clairwill; right for Scotland; Shotgun and Will Patterson; they were responsible for creating a hate site about me which also abused my family and there is a Hamish still getting printed; you are a liar right?
yes I did get rid of them but; I have never hidden the fact that people who go over the score such as racists and fascists don’t get printed if that is a crime then I’m guilty.
(BeegJeem) 22/01/10
I stated that Robertson was ‘a’ Republican candidate not ‘the’ Republican candidate; this is the English Language you should try it.
Haiti is the poorest country in the western world it is dominated by America and capitalism; it has massive child mortality rates; aids epidemics; whole scale ignorance and huge crime levels while its neighbour, Communist Cuba has better child mortality rates than the richest country in the world America; also better literacy and numeracy rates than the USA; more doctors per head of the population; a health service free and available to all and very low crime rates.
I think you just lost this one.
TK
I copied below what you typed in your original posting. When Robertson last ran for President, Obama was still in school. Perhaps the sense of your writing would be interpreted differently in Scotland. Robertson has not been a candidate for public office for over 20 years, and was not involved in the 2008 election. It is just a factual issue, no need to feel like you need to beat-down a nasty conservative over it.
Here is what you wrote:
I will leave you to consider these remarks of Mr. Robertson; oh; and did I mention that he was a Republican candidate to run for president against Obama; oh yes he was he really was; and remains a very popular influential American “Man of God”
(Anonymous) 12:53
News agencies such as MSNBC and the Guardian have been running stories about Israel admitting harvesting body parts from the dead including Palestinians without permission.
This took place approx. 10 years ago; there are now stories circulating saying that the Israelis are doing it again in Haiti.
The major news agencies do not concur with these current stories and a search on Internet shows them to be from sources which are quite clearly anti Semitic.
(BeegJeem) 13:45
Yes Obama was my mistake but the point is that he (Robertson) and indeed Limbaugh are highly influential Republicans and they are both evil and loosely wrapped.
What about that “pest hole” Cuba compared to capitalist Haiti?
Didnt take The Guardian long to ban you did it.
TK,
When your right, your right! When you check the numbers, the choice is clear - Cuba and Venezuela rock!
Estimated per capita GDP ( US Dollars 2008) of:
Cuba - $9,500
Venezuela - $13,500
Haiti - $1,300
Sudan - $2,200
Sweden - $38,200
United Kingdom - $36,700
United States - $47,900
Catch you later Dude!
BeegJeem
"You should not make the error of taking this girl seriously; she either has an encyclopaedic knowledge of Haiti and its history or she has rather unsubtly cut and pasted this post; my money is on the latter."
So it's OK to be racist if you copy and paste. This girl has written or copied a racist post against the French and the American people and you say nothing. I don't know if she did copy and paste it but she put it on her website which means she agrees with it. She lives in your country do you have nothing to say about the racists in your midst?
(Anonymous) 22/01/10
I’m not banned from the Guardian I bought a copy this morning.
(Anonymous) 22/01/10
As I said I don’t take her seriously and I don’t read the vitriol that she writes.
I have cause to regret having dealings with her before and she is a deeply ugly character. I have no intention of having anything to do with her again.
You do what you like I’ve made my position clear but; be warned if you get involved with her you will end up needing a good wash; never wrestle with a chimney sweep.
(BeegJeem) 22/01/10
You are typical of so many Americans and the materialistic malady which infests your great country.
You know the price of everything and the value of nothing.
"You are typical of so many Americans and the materialistic malady which infests your great country."
Take out the word American and subsitute African or Arab. Still acceptable? No. You are nothing but a sqalid wee racist hiding behind the title councillor. If Labour had any sense they'd deselect you.
(Anonymous) 24/01/10
"You are typical of so many Americans and the materialistic malady which infests your great country."
There is nothing racist in this statement.
TK,
Quoting you:
"What about that “pest hole” Cuba compared to capitalist Haiti?"
Capitalist Haiti? Good grief man, that's just goofy! To have capitalism there needs to be some capital formation; it's just part of the package. Whether socialists want to blame the French, the Germans, Voodoo, the USA, Papa Doc, Baby Doc, Aristide - whomever - at this point the poor souls in Haiti don't have enough of anything to form capital. They haven't had much of anything since about forever. I had to take a little poke at you just for the silly "capitalist Haiti" stuff.
Anyway, I'll catch your next postings at the Guardian (if I can see them before the moderators delete them).
Best Wishes - BeegJeem
(BeegJeem) 24/01/10
You are in full retreat over Cuba and Haiti; you are dodging the point; you chose to introduce Cuba as a pest hole so do the comparison and stop wriggling.
“Anyway, I'll catch your next postings at the Guardian (if I can see them before the moderators delete them)”
If you care to email Todd Nash at the guardian “todd.nash@guardian.co.uk” he runs their web site comments page and his title is Community Coordinator; he will confirm for you that I have never sent a comment to the Guardian Web Site in my life.
Someone calling himself/herself Cllr. Kelly obviously does write to the comments page; they did the same thing before with the Scotsman Newspaper and they were stopped just like the Guardian has stopped this.
The SNP Cybernats have their name all over this kind of behaviour; there is no depth they will not descend to; sorry to disappoint you but if you want to play this game you will need to smarten up a bit.
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