Monday, April 11, 2011

SNP CANDIDATE MACKAY HAS DONE A RUNNER !

It seems that SNP candidate for Holyrood Derek Mackay has folded his tent and run aff tae think again.
I have now asked him to explain on 6 separate occasions why the cuts that I have been highlighting were described by him at a recent full council meeting as being "about right" I know he reads my blog because he has said so several times in council so where is he? Why is he not answering? The SNP's Holyrood opponents must be shivering and shaking with fear at having to face this Scottish Braveheart warrior eh?

28 comments:

Mr. Mxyzptlk said...

This could be him here

MekQuarrie said...

That seems a little lame, Terry. (I was expecting a nice meaty defection story.) I don't think the right to silence has been abolished yet... :-p

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

possibly

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By MekQuarrie on SNP CANDIDATE MACKAY HAS DONE A RUNNER ! on 11/04/11

SNP candidate Mackay uses his right to silence over Government cuts; that is an interesting one and no mistake.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By cynicalHighlander on SNP CANDIDATE MACKAY HAS DONE A RUNNER ! on 11/04/11

More than a little bit of desperation here I think.

MekQuarrie said...

On the grounds it may tend to incriminate him? (Nice.) But, seriously, Mackay has plenty to say where he is properly held to account - in council, not on t'internet. Just saying...

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By MekQuarrie on SNP CANDIDATE MACKAY HAS DONE A RUNNER ! at 11:43

Mackay is saying one thing in the council and another in public, in the council he refused to condemn the Tory/Libdem budget cuts calling them “about right” and he now wants people to believe he is opposed to them because he is running for Holyrood, he is weaving a “tangled web” and people are entitled to know about it.

Jim said...

The Tory / Lib Dem cuts which have been roundly condemned by the SNP ?

The Tory / Lib Dem cuts imposed by a Westminister government which the SNP are opposed to?

The Tory / Lib Dem cuts which are not actually much greater than the cuts planned by Labour had they won office?



It just doesn't make sense on any level.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Jim on SNP CANDIDATE MACKAY HAS DONE A RUNNER ! at 13:20

Mackay is an SNP candidate for Holyrood. He is leader of the council because he formed a coalition with the libdems who are part of the Government you are talking about in Westminster who are the ones making the cuts, cuts which he (Mackay) described as “about right”

The SNP/Libdem coalition in Renfrewshire Council voted down a Labour motion condemning the Tory/libdem Westminster budget cuts. How can Mackay condemn Tory/Libdem government cuts while describing them as “about right” and voting to prevent them being criticised by Renfrewshire Council? Do you really want him to get away with that, are you related or something? What a shower.

Labour’s recovery plans were vastly different from the present Government ones which are to deep and too quick.

Jim said...

According to the Guardian, Labour would have been making about 80% of the cuts that the Coalition are making - so not so vastly different, but admittedly less severe.

I don't see how an SNP council leader could possibly agree with Westminister imposed cuts though... unless he was saying, that's what we Scots need to put up with when London is pulling the purse strings whilst simultaneously raiding the North sea to pay for Blair's illegal wars and Broon's mishandling of the economy and ill founded FSA...

It just doesn't seem right though!

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Jim on SNP CANDIDATE MACKAY HAS DONE A RUNNER ! on 12/04/11

I don’t know whether you are being deliberately disingenuous or you just don’t grasp this stuff the salient point is the time scale. Labour set out an 8 year recovery plan and the Toty/Libdems set out a 4 year plan that is hugely significant.

Your defence of Mackay is pathetic I told you exactly what he said there was no misunderstanding and he refused to condemn the Govt. cuts.

Again you talk tiresome garbage; the North Sea is British; as is London and the Island of Sky. The enquiries have been held into the war and Brown did not mishandle anything, there was a global financial meltdown and employment was rising; inflation was falling, and we were seeing growth in the economy when the election came.

These are facts and if you have a viable source of information up there in Brigadoon you really ought to check it out.

Maggies Handbag said...

Councillor, there was also an Inquiry (Franks)into the Falklands War.

You do seem to have a problem accepting that particular Inquiries findings, dear boy, whereas, Chilcott, on Iraq and Hutton on David Kelly, get swallowed with nary a trace of indigestion.

What a constitution you have. Is a diet of Irn Bru and Deep Fried Mars Bars responsible

Anonymous said...

'Brown didn't mishandle anything'

He mishandled Mandelson, my pension and being Prime Minister.

Next question.

Jim said...

LOL

Brilliant Terry!

The Iraq war was legal was it?

Lord Goldsmith certainly seemed to think that a further UN resolution was required and he seems sure that 'regime change cannot be the objective of any military action'

After the fact, Tony Blair seems to think that regime change justified the military action - as they couldn't actually find any WMD!

That's why I think the Iraq debacle was illegal and immoral and entirely lay the blame at the door of the government at the time, who were.. oh yes! Labour!

Brown didn't mishandle the FSA nor instruct them to go easy on RBS, whilst he was busily arranging Fred's knighthood?
Comedy gold big man!

The global financial meltdown came about through lack of regulation and the dangerous behaviour of bankers. It was your hero Broon who fiddled (too busy hiding public expediture though PFI scams, no doubt!) whilst they burned the rules created after the depression of the 1930s. Those rules specifcally forged to prevent such a tragic set of circumstances befalling us again.

Brown has recently apologised, not before time, for his failings in setting up the FSA.

Isn't it about time you faced up to that reality too?

The North Sea is Scottish. Ever heard of Scots Law, the Scotland Act or the Scottish Adjacent Waters Boundary Order?

London doesn't really have much to do with the North sea, other than it being the place in England where they collect all the tax coin that it earns... the Isle of Skye is on the West Coast of Scotland as far as I recall.

Anything else you need cleared up?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Jim on SNP CANDIDATE MACKAY HAS DONE A RUNNER ! at 15:26

When you insist that the North Sea is Scottish and not British and Sky is Scottish and not British I really don’t wee the point in discussing it with you, you are incapable of argument you might want these things to be Scottish but they are British. You might want your passport if you have one to be Scottish and not British but it isn’t. You really need to get a grip on reality. Scotland will remain an international laughing stock as long as it is home to clowns like you.

Can I take it from this latest effort that you have given up trying to defend Mackay.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on SNP CANDIDATE MACKAY HAS DONE A RUNNER ! at 14:05

Did you know that he also shot Bambi’s mother?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Maggies Handbag on SNP CANDIDATE MACKAY HAS DONE A RUNNER ! at 11:54

A completely pointless post. You are attributing things to me which are simply not true because you are not capable of making an argument. The post was about Mackay the two faced SNP candidate not the regurgitated crap that you are writing about.

Jim said...

Terry

I've never tried to defend Councillor MacKay. I've agreed with you entirely in saying that it seems a very strange thing to have said when his political allegiance would indicate that he should be diametrically opposed to the cuts we're facing.

As for the North Sea, I really don't get your point. I suspect your mixing me up with someone unfamiliar with the geography of the British Isles - let me put your mind at ease, I fully understand how Scotland is but one country of three on the Island of Great Britain.

You've blurted out 'The North Sea is British' for some reason known only to yourself and I've pointed out that not only is it British, but more locally it's also Scottish. Is there something else you want to add to this cornucopia of Geographical trivia?

I do think it's a bit of a shame that you think of Scotland as an 'International laughing stock'. I happen to think it has a lot going for it, which is why I returned to live here after many years making good use of that British passport you seem so worried about.

Jim
PS I note that you didn't want to engage in the legality of the Iraq war or Broon's role in creating the conditions for the banking crisis, despite the 'evidence' you asked for... Have you given up trying to defend them?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Jim on SNP CANDIDATE MACKAY HAS DONE A RUNNER ! on 13/04/11

I find the convoluted parochial claims about what is Scottish and what is not utterly meaningless, I genuinely couldn’t care less about Scotland or any other place, the fact is that we are British so is the North Sea and it’s oil and Edinburgh and Belfast and Cardiff and London, none of it matters.

As far as Iraq is concerned I have dealt with it many times if you care to do some research you will see that and while you do so I will offer you a bonus. If you can find one single example of me “defending” or supporting the Iraq war I will publicly apologise to you.

Brown had no role in creating any crisis the crisis was international and not one single source saw it coming let alone raise fears about it. The fact is that if you want to find people blaming Brown you can only find them among his political enemies here in Britain with the gullible Scots. to the fore. Out with that cabal he was praised by all for his actions in the crisis, the Governor of the Bank of England Mervin King (no friend of Labour) said “it was not the last Governments fault is was entirely the banks to blame” I also paraphrase Paul Krugman Nobel Prize winner in Economics “Brown was the hero of the hour he led the world out of the crisis”

Or you can have “it was Broon’s fault” Jim fae Scotland – get a life Jim.

Jim said...

Terry

A big boay did it and ran away is no excuse. Brown was chancellor of the exchequer for 10 years before he became Prime Minister. His empty boast that he'd brought an end to boom and bust must rankle even him.

He deregulated banking and produced an emasculated FSA. He knighted Fred Goodwin. He allowed the unelected lunatics to take over the asylum - Noone else. Many credible economists predicted the American housing bubble burst. That's why hedge fund managers became so rich - they saw it all coming.

As for Iraq, you may think it an inconsequential sideshow in your 'struggle' (you've still never defined that have you?). I see it as a catastrophe of Blair's (therefore Labour) making.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Jim on SNP CANDIDATE MACKAY HAS DONE A RUNNER ! at 12:57

You haven’t come up with anything that marks you out as anything other than a political enemy and that means your view is biased and tainted. It’s rather strange that people from outside who are not his opponents and have no axe to grind think differently.

Your rather unscientific position is that although this happened all over the world and was a global problem, here in Britain it was Brown’s fault makes it impossible to take you seriously.

I see you did not take up the challenge to find any examples of me excusing or supporting the Iraq war, very predictable, you are looking like a busted flush.

Jim said...

"Your rather unscientific position is that although this happened all over the world and was a global problem, here in Britain it was Brown’s fault makes it impossible to take you seriously."

My position is based on the analysis of a great many credible economists and Gordon Brown's own admission of his failings in setting up the FSA.

Regarding the Iraq war, you are an apologist for the Labour party who dragged us into the war. Either you can help explain what it is the Labour party has that makes it more worthy than the collateral damage of that war & our subsequent immersion in Afghanistan or you can't.

My view is that you never have and never will be able to do so. You can mutter incoherently about that 'struggle' that only the Labour party can deliver for you or you can resort to cheap ad-hominem about the types of people you once met in a pub that have come to represent all that you hate about Scotland. You might even start banging on about Cuba before we're through, but you'll never justify the failings of Blair & Brown.

During 12 years of Labour rule, the poverty gap markedly increased and the bankers ran riot with our economy - the bit that Labour were supposed to be looking after! Labour handed the keys to the kingdom to the very people it should have been regulating.

I'm not a political enemy though. I admire much about the origins of the Labour party and their achievements through the years. I'm now just woefully sorry to have seen them become what they have - a disappointment!

Anonymous said...

If I recall it was Brown himself who said 'It is all my fault.' If you defend Brown then presumably you defend his statements and this is one of them. if you say it is 'not' his fault then you disagree with Brown and do not accept his word. If you accept his word then you must accept with him, that it he was partly his fault. i'm prepared to cut the guy soem slack but the 'thigns jsut sort of happen' routine is just as bad as blaming the snow for a ruinous regime of cuts and simple-minded slashing attacks on the public sector as the brain-dead 'only solution'. If the Brown defence is soudn, the osbourne and any other idiot can use it as well.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Jim on SNP CANDIDATE MACKAY HAS DONE A RUNNER ! at 14:56

You clearly believe that if you repeat something often enough it will become the truth. Not a mvery good way to argue.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on SNP CANDIDATE MACKAY HAS DONE A RUNNER ! at 15:01

“ it was Brown himself who said 'It is all my fault”

“If you accept his word then you must accept with him, that it he was partly his fault”

“All my fault” and “partly my fault”

I’m tempted to refuse to print any more of this crap, no wonder you are anonymous.

Jim said...

"You clearly believe that if you repeat something often enough it will become the truth. Not a mvery good way to argue."

Funny beyond words!

There always comes a point in debates with you where I have to wonder if I'm not the victim of some huge hoax...

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

I Know how you feel, in this so called debate you have talked constantly about Iraq, Brown being to blame for the financial crisis and Scotlands oil etc. none of which is in any way relevant. Why should I take you seriously?

Jim said...

Sorry - I realise that for you Labourites the Iraq war & the global financial catastrophe wrought by Brown aren't serious subjects, it's just the rest of us find them to be a tad important... and likely to influence whether or not we could bring ourselves to vote Labour again... you calling people names isn't what I'd call a constructive strategy either, but there you go, that's just me... ho hum!