PMQ's today April 30 Th. 08 was followed by a repellent spectacle as the writ for the by election caused by the death of Gwyneth Dunwoody was moved.
I was not a fan of Gwyneth Dunwoody, I regret her passing like everyone else, she was Labour and therefore I would have supported her and voted for her and I dare say she had many friends and, certainly had loyal support from the voters, a 34 Yr. long stint in Parliament proves that.
She nursed a long standing grievance against successive labour leaders and the Party itself, the reason ? the same as many who form the awkward squad "thwarted ambition" think Charles Clark, George Galloway, Frank Field etc. the opposition always brightened up when she rose to speak, not a good thing in my opinion but, it comes with the territory especially at this level of politics, my sympathy goes to her family but, unlike many others I'm not going to lie about her.
What made today such a squalid occasion was the opportunism and rat like cunning of the Tories and Lib. Dems. who tried to use her death to attack the Govt. nothing is sacred with this lot.
They were queuing up to praise her, led by the pompous Nicholas Winterton, Tory MP, eyes filling up with crocodile tears of "sadness and regret" he accused the Govt. of acting with undue haste by issuing the writ before her funeral, a dreadful intervention.
Winterton was followed by the oh so pious and ever so slightly sinister "Uriah Heep" of the Commons, Simon Hughes Lib. Dem. MP.
Apparently on the verge of tears he shared with us the opinion that "the Govt. would have to live with the consequences" no, he didn't give details.
This nonentity enjoys a 'nice guy' reputation but, not with those who remember the vicious homophobic campaign that won him the Bermondsey By Election.
Anyone labouring under the mistaken opinion that the Lib. Dems. are in any way 'nice' should check that By Election out.
These two toadies were then outdone by a truly dreadful contribution from Ann Winterton Tory MP (are they related ?) they ought to be.
She also stitched herself to the deceased and then descended furthest by saying this " I was amazed at the discourtesy and insensitivity afforded to Mrs. Dunwoody's family" at this point an angry John Spellar, Labour MP asked her to 'give way' demanding to know if her remarks were sanctioned by the family, she, unsurprisingly did not give way, what lovely people !
This whole unsavoury business was ended by Harriet Harman assuring the house that the family had written to her agreeing that the writ should be served right away, the Tories and the Lib. Dems. did not even blush, this was indeed the Commons at it's worst.
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I believe that Nicholas & Ann Winterton are husband & wife.
I also believe that Ann got herself into a bit of a stushie when she was caught telling a joke about nipping down to Morecambe for a Chinese in the wake of the people dying when picking cockles.
They make a lovely couple!
When was the last time a by-election writ was issued before the Funeral?
Why the rush to do it this time?
Enlighten us, Coucillor
Charles Clark, George Galloway, Frank Field etc. the opposition always brightened up when she rose to speak, not a good thing in my opinion but, it comes with the territory especially at this level of politics, my sympathy goes to her family but, unlike many others I'm not going to lie about her...
You keep telling yourself that sonny to make yourself feel better about your sorry self and how you have dumped all your so called ideals to support Bliar, Brown and the new Tory party that is New Labour. Gwyneth and many of the others you speak of are far better people than you, far better, and far better Labour supporters and idealists. You are a closet Tory and are an insult to us who supported and voted for Gwyneth and anyone who is a socialist and believes in the ideals of Labour.
The local Labour party is asking well wishers to leave a tribute to Ms Dunwoody on their website.
A nice gesture, except that they are also asking for house number, postcode and email address and have a sophisticated system in place, linked to national Labour HQ, to verify the postcode and collect the data.
The only reason for this is to run an e-campaign during the by election.
And you accuse the opposition parties of being opportunists - have you no decency or shame, councillor?
BTW, the Wintertons' are married and thoroughly deserve each other.
Absolutely dreadful, I quite agree. Squalid, opportunistic and filled with rat-like cunning, to call the by-election before the poor old dear is cold in her grave just so the government can cash in on the sentimental vote.
"[T]his was indeed the Commons at it's worst." I could not have put it better myself, Councillor, you really do have a way with words.
(David Duff) 30/04/08
Those who know you will find it entirely predictable that you are standing four square behind the Tory Wintertons and the Lib. Simon Hughes, you belong in the same cesspit.
Terry:
But don't you think that the by-election was called in undue haste, before the previous incumbent's funeral even? When is the proper time to call a by-election anyway after a death?
With the loss of Mrs. Dunwoody, the number of competent Labour MPs decreases noticeably. Now there is only Frank Field, John Cruddas, Ann Cryer and Kate Hoey left (and maybe one or two others).
(Anonymous) 30/04/08
“When was the last time a by-election writ was issued before the Funeral”
No idea, I’ve never given it a thought.
“Why the rush to do it this time”
Why is it a rush ? Some people who want to exploit her death might call it a rush, like you and the Wintertons/ Hughes’s of this world. People to whom nothing is too low.
(Anonymous) 30/04/08
And people like you and the Wintertons and Hughes will exploit anything and anybody, you are beneath contempt.
(Macnasty) 30/04/08
I see no reason why the Labour Party shouldn’t ask people who supported her to continue to support the party she was a member of for many many years.
Some people, you obviously would twist that as well as using her death.
(Rumbold) 11:57
“When is the proper time to call a by-election anyway after a death” No idea, never gave it a thought. All this stuff about undue haste is b------t from people who want to exploit her death.
There are a lot more of those labour MP’s mentioned in your last Para. More’s the pity. Then again they would say that about me wouldn’t they.
Kelly @ 3.40
It's a 'rush,' councillor because the ex member has not been buried yet. A writ has been issued whilst the poor lady's seat is still warm. And that, dear Terry, is Labour doing what it does best, behaving disgracefully.
Kelly @ 3.55
Your reply is humbug, councillor, sheer humbug. Have you really so little shame?
I also believe that Ann got herself into a bit of a stushie when she was caught telling a joke about nipping down to Morecambe for a Chinese in the wake of the people dying when picking cockles.
You believe? I never heard that one.
No idea, never gave it a thought. All this stuff about undue haste is b------t from people who want to exploit her death.
There are a lot more of those labour MP’s mentioned in your last Para. More’s the pity. Then again they would say that about me wouldn’t they.
You really are a moron. I am a Labour member and want the party to win in Crewe, but not like this and certainly not with the shameful support of opportunist and hypocritical back stabbers like you.
(Macnasty) 01/05/08
Because you say it’s a rush doesn’t make it so.
You are using this to damage the Labour Party, you are a sanctimonious pompous creep.
You couldn’t care less about her or her family who are in fact supporting the decision to move the writ.
(Anonymous) 01/05/08
The Ann Winterton story is true, I don’t believe you’ve never heard of it, maybe you live in a cave.
I have been a member of the Labour Party for 35 Yrs. And I have never used language like your last para. to another member, nor has another member used language like that to me, nor have I ever known any party member address another and insist on anonymity.
Conclusion ? You are a liar !
Terry:
I might be wrong, but I thought that the convention was to only issue a writ after the funeral. Whether this is too long to wait, I don't know, but you would think that any change of this convention should require cross-party support.
Sorry about the utter collapse of Labour at the local level. Now you are behind the Lib Dems.
"You are using this to damage the Labour Party, you are a sanctimonious pompous creep."
The Labour Party don't need the likes of us to damage it, the Labour Party itself is doing a fantastic job of damaging the Labour Party.
The voters in England and Wales have given their verdict on what they think of the current incumbents.
Better get proactive Councillor, and fill in those job seekers allowance forms as soon as possible.
"The Ann Winterton story is true, I don’t believe you’ve never heard of it, maybe you live in a cave."
So is the story about Gordon Brown and the rocking horse, apparently.
Kelly @ 10.17
Kelly, see the election results - I don't have 'try to damage Labour,' they're doing a grand job of committing suicide themselves.
And the Dunwoody family told ms Harman it was alright to serve the writ?
Is this the same Harman who took dodgy donations, who's sister got thrown off the bench for passing Harman confidential information, who's husband,Dromey, the party treasurer, knew zilch about Labour donations and is it really the same Harman who Gordon refused to appoint Deputy PM?
And you believe her.............?
Aw naw its all gone pete tong.
the peasants are revolting and charging up the stairs of the winter palace.
I wonder if they will all be written off by el tel as cranks bampots idiots cesspit dwellers etc etc
Bring back Tory Blair, start another war, anything to save the peoples party.
The Ann Winterton story is true, I don’t believe you’ve never heard of it, maybe you live in a cave.
I have been a member of the Labour Party for 35 Yrs. And I have never used language like your last para. to another member, nor has another member used language like that to me, nor have I ever known any party member address another and insist on anonymity.
Conclusion ? You are a liar !
Maybe you should read what you wrote about Dunwoody and other far better Labour members in your own piece then. My party would be much better off without you, do you not fancy joining a real socialist party?
(Rumbold) 10:27
“I might be wrong, but I thought that the convention was to only issue a writ after the funeral”
I think most people when asked about any convention of this kind would not have a clue, you must be a very serious watcher of politics, either that or you are using this.
We fight on, did you know that the most unpopular PM in British history was M Thatcher, before she manufactured the Falklands war, she then went on and on and Etc.
(Serpico) 12:52
I think I’ve said this to you before but, you clearly know very little about politics.
(Daniel Dravot) 12:54
Try to make yourself understood.
(Macnasty) 13:45
The family’s letter was read out in the commons.
Try to climb out of the gutter.
(Anonymous) 14:16
“start another war, anything to save the peoples party” you mean like Thatcher and the Falklands ?
(Anonymous) 16:55
As I said you are a liar.
Kelly @ 6.02
'The family's letter (agreeing the writ) was read out in the commons.'
If you say so councillor.........
Macnasty 02 05 08
I do and it was.
Terry:
"We fight on, did you know that the most unpopular PM in British history was M Thatcher, before she manufactured the Falklands war, she then went on and on and Etc."
Most unpopular? I imagine the Duke of Wellington would have something to say about that. I had forgotten that Mrs. Thatcher had started the Falkands war. Didn't she infiltrate the Argentinian government while working for Mossad, and convinced the peace-loving military dictators to invade our land?
Sometimes you amaze even me.
Kelly @ 6.41
Please explain why the family letter saying 'OK, call the by-election before the funeral' would be read out in the House. (If it was)
This old cynic can see only one reason - Labour expected flak for behaving so disgracefuuly whilst the Dunwoody family were still mourning their loss.
Ms Dunwoody upheld the high standards and decency of Old Labour.
You,councillor and New Labour, have neither standards, morals or decency
Macnasty 02 05 08
I do and it was.
I've just been through Hansard and it wasn't. You are a liar.
(Anonymous) 02/05/08
I watched Harriet Harmen quoting from the letter from her family at the despatch box.
Every newspaper records that her family were consulted and that they are happy for the by election to go ahead. Her daughter is widely quoted a s saying that her “mother would have wanted the by election as quickly as possible”
Your attempt to exploit her death has failed, you are the liar.
(Rumbold) 02/05/08
In the Falklands no lives had been lost until she decided for her own ends to sink the Belgrano, it was an unnecessary escalation, she is a blood soaked war criminal.
(Macnasty) 02/05/08
The family letter was quoted from because Labour rightly predicted that ‘low lives’ like you, the Wintertons, and Simon Hughes would try to exploit her death and, they got it spot on didn’t they.
Your attempt to exploit her death has failed, you are the liar.
Checked Hansards records and it is not there. You are indeed a liar.
Would that be the same Harriet Harman whose children all went to private schools and is herself a multi millionaire never having been at a state school either?
(Anonymous) 16:47
Attacking Harriet Harman does not alter the fact that she quoted from the family letter at the despatch box but, it does say something about you.
Terry, A wee bit of backtracking, I fancy.
You're now saying Harriet 'quoted' from the Dunwoody letter.
Earlier, you said categorically, that she read the letter out to the House.
It cannot be both, so, which is it dear boy?
Either way, I suspect that the bunch of serial incompetents masquerading as the Labour party, having seen the Dunwoody constituency Council results are now in panic mode, wishing they'd moved a little slower, rather than inviting another spanking quite so soon.
Hansard was checked and there was no mention or quote from this fictitious letter from Harman. You want it all ways don't you and it says a lot about you when you are quite happy to attack people as long as they are not the object of your desire and one of the people you tug your forelock to. Bliar, Harman, Robinson et al are all toffs as much as Cameron and the Royals, but you love them and adore them, and have worked tirelessly to keep them in power. Get some ideals and cojones man, and maybe you might, one day, measure up to the likes of Gwyneth Dunwoody for principles and ideals in support of the Labour party.
Terry:
So if a right-wing military dictatorship invaded British territory today, you would say that sending our armed forces to counter them would be an overreaction, and leave us with blood on our hands?
I hear that Gwynneth Dunwoody's daughter will be the Labour candidate for the by-election.
I can't imagine that she would agree to be the candidate if the family were unhappy about the timing of it.
(Macnasty) 03/05/08
“It cannot be both, so, which is it dear boy”
This is irrelevant to the argument.
I say that you and the others mentioned tried to exploit her death. The family agree with my stance, they are happy to accept Labour’s proposals.
Try answering that and stop trying to hide.
(Anonymous) 03/05/08
You are dodging the issue, her family are happy to accept Labour’s proposals. Stick to the issue, Labour are not exploiting her death, you are.
(Rumbold) 04/05/08
I don’t remember saying that.
This adventure was not necessary, she was the most unpopular PM in history, that’s why the Belgrano was sunk, that’s why all those lives were lost, for her political career.
It’s not easy for a people to admit that but, history will eventually condemn her
"M Thatcher, before she manufactured the Falklands war, she then went on and on and Etc."
How did she do that exactly, Councillor. Did she phone Gen Galtieri one day and ask him to invade the Falklands because the opinion polls looked a bit dodgy?
You'll be telling us next that Tony and George were behind the Twin Towers attack.
Anonymous) 03/05/08
You are dodging the issue, her family are happy to accept Labour’s proposals. Stick to the issue, Labour are not exploiting her death, you are.
You said a letter was read in parliament and have been found out as a liar but now accuse me of dodging the issue. The family has not said they are happy even though the daughter who is not from here and never has been has agreed to stand. I live here and you don't. as to the other, the toffs of the labour party you doff your hat and there are just as many as the tories. It is funny to see you complain about thatcher and the falklands, you who support and work to keep in power those who killed hundreds of thousands in iraq and sfghanistan. hypocrite and liar.
(Serpico) 12:25
All those lives were lost because she gave the order to sink the Belgrano, she did that to save her political skin.
It must be hard for someone who fought there to admit the truth.
You have to keep telling yourself it was a just cause right ? because you haven't the courage to admit the truth.
(Anonymous) 12:32
The ‘issue’ is whether you and others used and exploited her death, you seem to have moved away from that.
Thatcher did what she did to gain popularity, are you seriously saying that Blair did that ?
You really don’t have a clue do you ? Blair invaded Iraq to become popular ! best to remain anonymous eh.
kelly @ 11.03
'The family agree with my stance.'
Not sure about that, Sunshine, but I see the Dunwoody daughter has been parachuted in, in an effort to rescue the seat.
Is the Labour party, like the Windsor's, in favour of dynastic succession, or is this a one off?
(Macnasty) 15:44
I think there is a difference, it really doesn’t matter what you are capable of if you are a Windsor, any half wit can be a Royal half wit. The Army is sometimes the only resort for them.
I’m sure Ms. Dunwoody or Boris’s dad for that matter would be an intellectual giant compared to the Windsors.
Kelly @ 5.48
'The army is the only place for the Royal halfwits.'
Oh I duuno - would that be before or after they'd auditioned for Ward 4 Paisley N. West?
(Anonymous) 05/05/08
Dear reader , another example of the debating skills of my opponents.
The ‘issue’ is whether you and others used and exploited her death, you seem to have moved away from that.
Thatcher did what she did to gain popularity, are you seriously saying that Blair did that ?
You really don’t have a clue do you ? Blair invaded Iraq to become popular ! best to remain anonymous eh.
No the issue is whether Labour exploited her death and announced the by-election too early to exploit her death. All pundits agree they did exactly that. As to Thatcher...the Falklands were invaded by an aggressive military junta, now unless you are saying Thatcher was in collusion with that right wing military junta when they invaded our territory, you are a liar and exploiting the deaths of British soldiers to further your petty hate of Thatcher, which of course you are. As to blair, you know the truth and he invaded purely to enhance his world statesmanship and to be bushes puppy and provide oil to those capitalist companies you despise so much, and no other reasons. It is shameful you try and wheedle blair into doing something right out of iraq, totally shameful. I despise you so much for that alone.
(Anonymous) 07:56
“All pundits agree they did exactly that” Oh no they don’t !
Thatcher sank the Belgrano to deliberately escalate the situation to make herself popular, she cost all those lives for her own ends.
“Blair invaded purely to enhance his world statesmanship” It doesn’t get much sillier than this.
“you try and wheedle blair into doing something right out of Iraq” Is this some sort of attempt at humour ?
I am trying to wheedle some good will for Blair, I must share this with my fellow party members. You really are a fool.
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