Friday, June 05, 2015

WHO ARE THE REAL PHILISTINES, THE ORANGE ORDER OR THE SNP?.

Having found it impossible to get The Glasgow Herald to print my posts on this subject, I decided to give up and write it here. 

Once again we are seeing the now habitual outburst of synthetic rage from the snp directed at the Orange Order. This is interesting when you consider that they criticise them for being anti Catholic when the snp themselves were founded as an anti Catholic group to save the loyal protestant people of Scotland from the threat to their religious beliefs and their protestant culture by the influx of the Irish peasants who arrived here to flee the famine in Ireland and brought their Roman Catholic religion with them. The real cause of their animosity to the Orange Order though has developed over recent years when they (the snp) perceived a danger to their ambition of independence because of the OO’s unyielding devotion to Britain and the British monarchy. Consider if you will that not so long ago the leadership of the snp ‘cheek by jowl’ with the OO tried to ban the then Polish Pope John II from visiting Scotland. Hypocrisy does not begin to describe them.

Many of these snp members and supporters want to proscribe the OO, the reasons? They cause trouble, they are not part of Scotland’s culture and most importantly, the snp don’t like them. Their narrative is now highlighted by their decidedly subjective version of the trouble which happened in George Square just after the referendum. We have seen examples of this kind of behaviour before, when organisations have their democratic rights taken away from them we are living in a dictatorship and images of Mussolini, Franco and Hitler come to mind.  The Orange Order is a legal organisation and is entitled to the same treatment as any other legal organisation and that is exactly as it should be. We do not live in a society that bans organisations because some people don't like them, at least not yet we don't. The snp really need to choose their words more carefully, I am bigoted against racism, sectarianism, fascism, homophobia etc. and I am proud to say that, should I and others like me be banned as well by the snp?. The only way an Orange or any other kind of parade or demonstration can be banned is on the grounds of safety and law and order and that is the responsibility of the Police and crowd control professionals. Given that the average Celtic Rangers match produces enough safety and law and order problems to make the Orange Order supporters behaviour pale in to insignificance how would the powers that be justify banning an Orange Parade and allowing an Old Firm match?.

As for the OO not being part of Scotland’s culture is concerned, that can mean anything you want it to mean, when Herman Goering who wasn’t a holiday camp comedian said “when I hear the word culture I reach for my revolver” he was saying ‘’we will decide what German culture is’’ he would have been a supporter of the snp’s attitude to free speech and democracy.  I ask are the snp custodians of Scottish culture? Do they decide what is and isn’t Scottish culture? This is a glimpse through the tartan specs at what the future might hold for a more powerful snp.  

The OO go back a long way, certainly a lot further back than the snp and their members fought and died to save democracy in WW2 while the snp were trying to undermine the struggle against Hitler and the nazis and they do have their own history and culture, you may not be impressed by it but it does exist. My own Irish Catholic Celtic supporting background did not prevent me from learning about these events which date back to the late 17th century through the Battle of the Boyne and The Siege of Derry and the Siege of Cork and much more, I found it fascinating and still do whether you dear reader or other snp supporters like it or not it undoubtedly plays a huge part in British political and cultural history. The snp have their history and culture as well, it starts with anti Irish / English racism and anti Catholic sectarianism all the way up to marching beside Flemish Nazis at Calton Hill Edinburgh in 2014 and on to street violence all through the referendum and the disruption of political meetings. My surprise is that the more excitable Orange loyalists did not confront them long before they did. Democratic rights and freedoms are precious and constant vigilance is the price we pay to protect them. 

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

Terry, everything you say screams 'don't vote Labour'. You live in a crazy world where everything is just as you say it is, but nobody else lives there. You can't see how alienating you and your ilk are. You, personally, are a major part of the reason Labour were so roundly rejected at the last election. People read your blogs and associate them with the Labour party. People read your blogs and think you're mad. If your bile and hatred is what Labour stand for, I want no part of it, and neither do most people, as evidenced by the last UK GE. I don't know whether to say keep it up, or ask you to stop. Keep it up, and Labour will die - you will repel anyone who thinks of voting for them. But then, if Labour die, at least that would give a real socialist party a chance.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

The most significant thing about your pathetic post is that you are clearly unable to address any of the points I have made. Are you afraid to tackle what I have said or are you just too dumb?.

Anonymous said...

you are as mad as a box of frogs and this madness explains the death of your party. RIP.
i didn't address any of your points either because they are as dumb as you. You aren't allowed on the Herald because you are vile.Do what you want with this comment, post it or stick it up your bahookie because nobody listens to anything you say anymore unless they want a laugh.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

I am confident that you are too dumb to answer the points made and too much of a coward to even put your name to the garbage you post.

Angus MacRury said...

My dad fought in Aden and voted SNP, you are saying that the relatives of the new SNP and old voters from the past supported hitler while implying that the few labour supporters left are still fighting hitler with their bare hands is a deluded premise so you can talk through your arse about the OO.

You are a complete moron. Your party has idiots like you to thank for being wiped out in Scotland, and with idiots like you at the helm it will happen in 2016 too and deservedly so.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

I will print this to let people see the calibre of the snp people who write this stuff but if you want printed again you had better clean up your act. My dad fought in Greece, North Africa and Italy while the snp here in Scotland were supporting the Nazis so you might be able to work out what I think about the snp from that information. If you support the snp knowing their fascist leanings then I regard you as beneath contempt and so was your father if he knew about them as well. They were marching with Flemish Nazis at Calton Hill in Edinburgh during the referendum and every year at their conference they have a memorial lecture in memory of their ex leader Arthur Donaldson who was jailed during WW2 for his Nazi activities.

Angus MacRury said...

Not interested in whether you ban someone for what you believe are insults: your whole blog is an insult to decent people, the people who have abandoned Labour, the party you deludedly believed were going to win in Scotland invigorated by Jim Murphy at the helm a mere few weeks ago. Labour can only blame labour for their current state yet you viciously hit out at the democratic wishes of those who rejected your beleaguered party.

I am as disinterested in your dad fighting in the second world war as you are in my SNP supporting dad and his brothers joining the British army and fighting in Aden. You denigrate all Scots, a high proportion of them, as being nazis because they didn't vote for labour, you are a disgrace and I think that when the council elections come around in Scotland you will be out of a job like the defeated Blairite Jim Murphy.

Saying anything nasty about my deceased father who unlike yourself was well respected and a nice person might be libel, I will also find out if it breaks any rules on what a person paid by the public purse can say but it shows how much of a man you are.

Big brave man that denigrates ordinary people because of his skewed and twisted view of politics, blaming others for the public abandonment of Labour, one look at your face says it all.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

When I spoke about your father I made a valid point about his knowledge of the snp, if he indeed knew about their past and the links that they still have to fascism, it’s murky and embarrassing and it’s no wonder you get so hysterical when someone forces you to face the truth, you are not alone, just look at the rug chewing foaming at the mouth reactions directed at David Starkey. He knows what buttons to push to create such an explosion because it’s a touchy subject for snp supporters who want to pretend that these things didn’t happen. As far as my dad is concerned I feel great sympathy for him and those who fought Nazism while the snp were trying to appease them. If you didn’t know about the snp’s past then you know now, are you pretending that these things didn’t happen or are you quite comfortable with it all. Are you quite comfortable with the behaviour of the snp followers during the indy Referendum and the General Election? is that the kind of country you want?.

Angus MacRury said...

You talk utter nonsensical garbage, no wonder labour are in such a mess with limp minded efforts like yourself letting them and Scotland down.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Consider this as your last post, if you continue to send posts that are full of insults and bereft of debate you will not be printed.