An extract
from an SNP candidate selection.
“I was asked
whether as part of a Westminster deal with another party, I would agree to vote
for the bedroom tax if instructed by the party. I replied ‘No’. End of SNP political career”.
Craig Murray –
Rejected SNP Candidate.
There are a whole host of questions that a candidate can be
asked to test their willingness to support party discipline, e.g. would you
support hanging, would you support a ban on immigration, would you support
forced labour for unemployed people, would you support the burning of books
which were left wing, would you support the building of a 500 foot statue of
Alex Salmond on the highest rampart of Edinburgh Castle, all questions which
are pertinent to the snp most of whose members would be at best ambivalent about their answers and at worst enthusiastic ‘yessers’ which
of course makes them the party we have known and grown to loathe, but they
chose “would you support the bedroom tax”.
Are the snp policy
makers so completely thick-headed as to make themselves hostages to fortune by
suggesting that a failure to support the bedroom tax would constitute a reason
for rejecting someone as a candidate?, my answer to that is, no they are not.
IMO therefore there is no way of denying that this has been asked to pave the
way for just such a proposition. What they are saying is they will do and say
anything to gain power, as I have said often before when you are a single issue
politician you can excuse anything by saying ‘we did it for the great cause’ no
matter what injustice you have perpetrated. It is becoming harder for the snp
to avoid people seeing what they are really like, perhaps all those additional
members will prove difficult to control when they start to realise exactly what
they have signed up to. Things are beginning to look really interesting.
52 comments:
an extract from labour party selection process;
potential candidate;go away i am not interested you are a dead party.
selection committee; please please stand for election we can promise all sorts of corruption, we will cover up any sort of addictions you might have and make sure you are first in line for a lordship, well first in line after Tony and gordon.
candidate; I would rather burn in hell than take the tainted money you offer.
committe; oh no its another yesser, we are surrounded by them we are doomed, doomed I tell you
Anonymous said...Tuesday, December 30, 2014 8:12:00 am
Lies about the oil, lies about the pound, lies about Europe, lies about the NHS and now it's lies about the Bedroom Tax, you are right to be angry Mr./Ms. Anonymous.
Bedroom tax that was implemented for private tenants by Labour
It's only a pound now to join your corrupt and rotting party, what a con. If you go to poundland there are three thousand better ways to spend a pound.
I love the smell of desperation in the morning.
I wonder why SNP popularity in Scotland has rocketed recently whilst Labour look set to lose a majority of their Scottish sets at the next election.
Is it because nobody trusts Labour anymore due to their right wing tendencies?
Sorry but you are no longer the party of the people Terry, You are just Tories in disguise with the exception that you have no intellect.
We have the...."Blue Tories" "Red Tories" "Yellow Tories" "Green Tories", add to that with an assortment of "Gold/Purple Tories".
Where are the socialists parties!, well, they joined the Tories!!!.
Cllr Terry Kelly, I am informed that...
"Sturgeon’s first print interview following her accession to the post of first minister, was with the Financial Times (FT), one of the world’s most influential pro-capitalist organs, and the authoritative journal of British finance capital. For Sturgeon to choose the FT is as clear a statement as could be imagined of her intentions."
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/12/31/scot-d31.html
ALL is lost.....
Running Man said...Tuesday, December 30, 2014 9:08:00 pm
Nationalism would not survive without it's gullible followers and it's useful idiots, read this.
http://kittysjones.wordpress.com/2014/12/31/revealed-labour-did-not-pilot-the-bedroom-tax-mike-sivier/
Anonymous said...Wednesday, December 31, 2014 7:06:00 am
Are you too stupid or too lazy to do the research?. You can now join for £1, in due course your subscription will become the same as others that is £45.50/year and £12/year concession. The snp subscription is £12/year and £5/year for concessions and you look rather silly do you not?.
Anonymous said...Wednesday, December 31, 2014 10:30:00 am
"Is it because nobody trusts Labour anymore due to their right wing tendencies?"
I assume that you regard vetting snp candidates to make sure they will accept the poll tax as left wing?.
Annonymous said...Wednesday, December 31, 2014 12:36:00 pm
"https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/12/31/scot-d31.html"
This article strips bare the hypocrisy of sturgeon and the snp, it lands blow after blow and completely exposes them.
I would like the SNP to explain this....
https://devolutionmatters.wordpress.com/2012/10/22/guardian-comment-is-free-piece-on-the-snp-nato-and-nuclear-weapons/
Anonymous said...Thursday, January 01, 2015 12:50:00 pm
"I would like the SNP to explain this...."
https://devolutionmatters.wordpress.com/2012/10/22/guardian-comment-is-free-piece-on-the-snp-nato-and-nuclear-weapons/
Me too it, ranks as one of the most dishonest policies in politics today. It highlights the unscrupulous, unprincipled and dishonest nature of the rabble known as the snp.
"ranks as one of the most dishonest policies in politics today"
I think you should have said in the history of "politics"!.
Anonymous said...Thursday, January 01, 2015 3:37:00 pm
I accept that amendment with thanks.
Cllr Terry Kelly,
There is NO way the SNP would support keeping the "Bedroom tax", absolutely NO WAY, it will never happen.
There is NO way the SNP would go into coalition with the Tories, absolutely NO WAY, it will never happen.
Once upon a time....
There is NO way the SNP would join NATO, absolutely NO WAY, it will never happen.
What do we learn from the SNP...Never use the word "NEVER".
Anonymous said...Friday, January 02, 2015 2:26:00 am
"we might be liars but at least we are good old Scottish liars" (snp).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_Housing_Allowance
Local Housing allowance that was limiting on housing allowance for Private tenants was introduced by Labour.
The comments on the page you posted also say that.
Call it what you like but limitations on housing benefit based on your family size and bedrooms was firstly introduced by Labour.
"
Me too it, ranks as one of the most dishonest policies in politics today. It highlights the unscrupulous, unprincipled and dishonest nature of the rabble known as the snp. "
Unlike the truth of Labour who say they are anti Nuclear weapons but who are committed to investing 100BN in new delivery system and warheads.. ...Hypocritical nonsense so they can play bolster their military credentials.
A weakness of most former Labour governments, sucking up to the establishment looking for a seat at the big table
Running Man said...Saturday, January 03, 2015 9:44:00 pm
I gave you the information that disproves your assertion. If you choose to lie to yourself or are incapable of absorbing that information then it's not my fault.
Running Man said...Saturday, January 03, 2015 9:51:00 pm
I have never known or heard of any politician of any party who says they are pro nuclear weapons. It takes a pretty spectacular kind of idiot to claim otherwise and the snp has plenty of pretty spectacular idiots in it's ranks.
Terry, As regards Labour implementation of bedroom subsidy for Housing Allowance claimants.
You offer up an opinion piece. I offer up artcile stating when the actual law was changed by Labour. You obfuscate the issue as you well know. At least grow a pair and argue the facts or state a position. Do you support bedroom subsidy reductions for private renters...The legislation introduced by Labour.
As regards Nuclear weapons. Your stance is that of a man buying a Rin of Beef and saying he is vegetarian. He'll stop eating meat when the rest of the world does but he is really a vegetarian at heart.
At least we can say that 95 Labour MP's are against Nuclear weapons....Since they voted against Blair's renewal program in 2007. It was only passed due to support of your Tory friends. That wee coalition with the Blue Tories might come yet...So little between you and so much recent co-operation.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2007/mar/15/military.immigrationpolicy
Just a a matter of record I think the rejection of Murray was a mistake by SNP. I'm not sure how high it goes but he is shunned by the establishment as a major whistleblower. Maybe like Labour they are flying too close to the establishment
Running Man said...Sunday, January 04, 2015 7:12:00 pmI support the abolition of the bedroom tax as per party policy.
Can you name me any politician who wants nuclear weapons?. The snp lost this argument when the voted to join NATO.
Running Man said...Sunday, January 04, 2015 7:17:00 pm.
They could have asked him anything but they asked him the one about the bedroon tax. Their reaction to his answer is a clear and unequivocal admission that they are willing to consider keeping it if the price is right, it's just another lie and underhand position that they can justify by claiming they are doing it for the cause.
If I vote YES to buying something costing 100BN, I'm pretty sure I want it.
Running Man said...Thursday, January 08, 2015 2:20:00 pm
Weak and simplistic in the extreme what an idiot you are.
"Weak and simplistic in the extreme what an idiot you are"
Terry try saying this 100 times in front of a mirror every morning, it may help you to escape the delusions that Labour is still a socialist party.
It is now a political organisation working to benefit its members not its electorate. Maybe you can work out the difference for yourself, but I seriously doubt it.
Have you heard the news Terry. The tories are going to promise one more nurse than whatever jim smurfy promises, whats his next bid?
It is extremely sad to see a political party in its death throes opt for smurfy the blairite as its best hope for survival, could this be the final straw for you terry?
The manufactured row between him and Diane Abbott is hilarious, he gets to be all macho and stand up to ed minimal and she gets a shoe in as mayor of london. You guys need new spin doctors this nonsense is so 1990's.
So you are saying they don't want it ?
95 Labour MP's voted against Trident renewal, they don't want it. The ones who voted for it want it.
You are right about one thing its simple.
People who vote for something they do't want are simple and robotic. This reflects the British Labour Party.
Put away the spade before you have someone's eye out.
Anonymous said...Friday, January 09, 2015 7:41:00 am This is only your opinion and you won't even put your name to it, that's not showing much confidence in what you say is it, you must try harder, find a backbone.
So today I bought myself a gun for self defense.
I'm not sure who exactly I am defending myself against but I do know guns are out there! Well, at least I *think* I know. They may very well be plastic, but can't take that chance, amirite?!?
Unfortunately the gun was pretty expensive and now I'll have to go a few days without food. Ho-hum, I hope I don't starve.
gun comment is a different anonymous... I'll stick my name on this one to reduce confusion
Friday, January 09, 2015 7:49:00 am.
Can you or anyone else give me any reason why I should give anything you say any credence?. How did your referendum forecasts go?. How did your oil forecasts go?.
Running Man said...You can repeat yourself as much as you like but claiming that people want nuclear weapons is simply stupid. Claiming that people who want to keep trident are in favour of nuclear weapons is either the ravings of an idiot or the cynical absurd claim of a liar. You have one more chance, who likes nuclear weapons?. Why do the snp support NATO's nuclear weapons?.
Anonymous said...Friday, January 09, 2015 1:28:00 pm
You don't need a gun to protect yourself that's the job of the police, the trick is to make sure that the police are not actually worse than the gun toting criminals.
Guns and tanks and bombs are essentially the same they are designed to kill people and that is not good. We need international cooperation to rid the planet of all of them.
Barnoldswick Candygram said...Friday, January 09, 2015 1:32:00 pm
I'm wondering now how many contributors to my blog spell defence ending in 'se'. Quite intriguing.
"Guns and tanks and bombs are essentially the same they are designed to kill people and that is not good. We need international cooperation to rid the planet of all of them."
do you miss the old days Terry when we used to march together under the CND banner ? Tony Blair ate your socialist soul.and it's not even as if you will see any honours or any part of his and broony's millions, what does that make you ?
Anonymous said...Sunday, January 11, 2015 11:48:00 am
Unilateral disarmament was never going to make any difference, it is clung to now by those who are either in denial or posturing.
Anonymous said...Sunday, January 11, 2015 11:48:00 am
Unilateral disarmament was never going to make any difference, it is clung to now by those who are either in denial or posturing.
"Unilateral disarmament was never going to make any difference, it is clung to now by those who are either in denial or posturing."
what did you get for selling your soul Terry? a seat on a council? A job for your daughter? so terribly terribly sad, you have my pity.
Anonymous said...Sunday, January 11, 2015 6:07:00 pm
You are clearly one of those who satisfies their craven need to impress people by posturing. You are more to be pitied than despised. To timid to identify yourself.
It seems like quite a logical question to ask Mr Murray. Pick the most contentious issue of this parliament and see if he would vote with the party whip on it.
Mr Murray is clearly a man of principle. I hope he is selected to stand in another seat.
'To timid to identify yourself.'
Terry I live in a village full of nationalist thugs with union jacks and rangers scarfs, they even have their own little flute band, you would love it.
they have already kicked my fence down because of the yes poster in my window so if it's ok with you I wont bring their nationalist attention my way thanks.
as for you and your abandonment of socialism. When you lie down with pigs you get dirty.
Anonymous said...Monday, January 12, 2015 7:30:00 am
They would probably have asked him if he would support nuclear weapons but they have already sold the jerseys on that one by voting to join NATO.
Anonymous said...Monday, January 12, 2015 7:47:00 am
In that case I take it all back. You are really fearless and heroic aren't you?.
“Salmond’s £1.7 million bung to KPMG is a kick in the teeth for taxpayers”
http://www.ianfraser.org/scottish-governments-1-7-million-bung-to-kpmg-beggars-belief/
In that case I take it all back. You are really fearless and heroic aren't you?.
what happened to my response to this post Terry, The great protector of free speech, cut too close to the bone did it?
Pathetic.
Anonymous said...Thursday, January 15, 2015 7:40:00 am
The deleted post you refer to was your third attempt at saying the same thing. I warned you that I was not prepared to keep printing your repeated post, I am not your psychiatrist. You also used language which you certainly knew would not be printed so stop telling lies.
Seems like you aren't aware of the fact that MOST NATO countries don't have nuclear weapons on their soil.
There are others who benefit from their proximity to NATO nations yet don't contribute to it. This scenario would be fine though not really contributing to local security (though it's the neolib homeland that is perhaps the most dangerous world nation wrt exporting violence) but that is not what Scots want. Taking a role in world security is the responsible stance. Following the money like Labour golden balls Blair, isn't the line to take so you can keep your US economic imperialism for them since it was Labour who lied to everyone about WMDs and still went ahead with invading soverrign nations to impose US 'democratic' values on different cultures with superior literacy, social welfare and education programs to most (esp US) Western democracies even though the electorate were not in favour. NO thanks indeed, membership of a UNION here the majority of members don't have nuclear weapons does not mean you support them even though some have. Think Norway, Denmark, Italy, Canada, Spain, Portugal et al.
You're a Labservative (NeoLiberal Blairite) who;s fallen for the promise of gold from commercial enterprise at the expense of your soul (and the needs desires and wishes of the electorate)
Yet you still havent addressed the fact that Bedroom Tax is a Labour creation.
You may think that you are teaching us all a lesson by telling us out opinions are stupid and that we arent a valuable enough life form because we disagree with you.
We cant change you, no-one will becuase you lack self awareness.
What we do though is watch the lemming act out its predictable behaviour and point it out to everyone. So when you revert to name calling and venom, you arent winning a point but merely proving how inept you are.
Anonymous said...Monday, January 19, 2015 1:20:00 pm
The salient point here is that NATO is a first strike nuclear organisation and the snp want to join it, no matter how much you wriggle and obfuscate that is the truth, it is a betrayal and a sell out and a perfect example of the snp’s lack of honesty.
The so predictable and infantile foot stamping about WMD’s and invasions is pathetic, you can repeat yourself as often as you like and you can shout as loud as you like but that doesn't make you right and it remains only your opinion. Can you try something new, you are trying my patience.
Kyle Smith said...Monday, January 19, 2015 3:07:00 pm
I have explained before that the bedroom tax as envisaged by Labour was to prevent private landlords from exploiting the rent benefits system it was never designed to punish the poor that was the Tories who did that. Your posts are ridiculous and I am losing patience, it’s like arguing with a not very bright 10 year old who continually relies on insults and abuse, smarten up or you will be out.
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