The post
below was sent to me as a comment and I thought it rather good at explaining
the unjustifiable position of the snp and the supporters of separation.
I went to
vote in the Euro elections the other day. A party near the bottom of their list
caught my eye - 'Yorkshire First'.
They claim
to be 'progressive' of the 'centre' and promise to put the interests of
'Yorkshire people first'. They claim that Westminster is full of poisonous
cynics who do nothing much than stuff their own pockets and therefore
separating from this Westminster 'elite' is part of their 'socialist agenda'.
The say they are 'inclusive' but you have to be proper Yorkshire and display
the white rose. They also claim that Yorkshire has a legitimate royal and
monarchical line symbolised by Richard III whom the Tudor elite (in London) has
spent years vilifying. as the biggest county Yorkshire could quite easily 'go
it alone' they claim. I would like to ask the SNP nationalists here if any of
this sounds familiar. The reason I ask this, is that one of my colleagues is a
SNP supporter and when I described this 'party' to him, he called them
'nutters', 'idiots' and 'small town flag waving xenophobes'. But in truth they
do not say much that is different from the SNP as far as I can see. The
Yorkshire First guy at the voting depot wore a White Rose and kept on about how
'Yorkshire people' were 'decent' not 'like southerners'. Again, sound familiar?
Please, you
must make common cause with working people across the country not run away from
the hard fight against the Tories that is coming by turning your backs on the
rest of us who are still battling in Liverpool, Manchester and believe it or
not, in the poor districts of London.
42 comments:
It doesn't sound 'familiar' to most Scots.
It does sound familiar if you look at the farage barrage the media have tried and failed to sell us Scots.
The labour party are there with the tories at westminster in a race to the right as is evidenced by their fear of ukip as they took votes from tory labour and libdems.
If this idiotic 'Yorkshire first' rubbish was 'familar' in Scotland then perhaps you can explain why ukip, unlike 'Yorkshire' or 'most of England' has utterly failed to even keep a deposit in elections here let alone deliver even one councillor?
Desperate smearing from a '70's styled labour dinosaur who fails to see the ever increasing swing to the right that saddens me as someone who once voted for labour.
Instead of pretending people in Scotland hate people in England get out there and do your job for your constituents and try and make your party more left wing instead of a watered down ukip.
Angus MacRuary
Anonymous said...Sunday, May 25, 2014 4:41:00 pm.
I’m writing at 11.20 Monday 26/04/14 and it looks like you have counted your chickens before they hatched doesn't it, so typical of snp arrogance.
It looks like salmond got it wrong and Farage got it right, UKIP look set to take the seat that salmond boasted about winning and the snp vote was down and the Labour vote was up, you must feel rather foolish at the moment.
The rest of your post is nothing more than a rehash of all the nonsense which we have been getting from the snp/separatist/cybernats for so long, the stuff in fact that is carrying you to certain defeat in the referendum. The snp will now find itself under threat from their fellow nationalists in UKIP who will undoubtedly start to attract the very similar kind of people who are attracted to the snp.
Terry Kelly, Mr Miliband, Karl Marx, M'sieu Allende, Len McLuskey...your boys took a hell of a beating..
The People have spoken.....Labour is unelectable...The lamps are going out in Bath St...You will not see them lit again while Miliband leads the Party.
Bring back Blair...it's your only hope
I am sure you are correct Anugs! The 'decent' 'Scots' would never vote UKIP, unlike those horrid people further south in England and Yorkshire, right?
Are you perhaps and ironist? You employ the same rhetoric you say you despise in order to refute the argument you actually want to denigrate.
Simailrly, you use the words 'Scots' and 'Scotland' I did not. I used the acronym 'SNP' and the word 'nationalist'. So why do you try and frame your response it as if I am making a point directed against 'Scots' Again, this is typical of nationalist agendas of various kinds - if you question the 'party' ( as I have ) you smear the national volk and therefore can be denounced as a traitor to the national 'cause' or some such. Also, I did not say that people in Scotland 'hate the English', you said that. I indicated only that the political rhetoric of the SNP is inflected with nationalist and ethnocentric agendas and ideas that are common to all ethno-nationalist movements. The Cornish 'separatists' Mebyon Kernow welcome' both the SNP and Yorkshire First. Are they Cornish 'nutters'? This Cornish 'movement' claims Celtic lineage with the Pitco-Scots so perhaps in your book that makes them less 'idiotic' or at least not as 'rubbish' as the Yorkshire lot who are obviosly Anglo-Normans right? You have offered no logically consistent argument against my proposition (backed with sound observation) that the SNP has similaries with these 'nationalist' movements. (Note, that I do not claim that they are inherently fascistic). Actually, your argument that the Scots are somehow ethnically incapbale of supporting political backwardness supports rather than undermines my case.
You see Angus, I do not believe there is such a thing as a typical 'Scots' way of seeing things. My opinion is that such ideas and phrases are ethnocentric idiocy.
Stephen Mallamrae
Byeck said...Monday, May 26, 2014 1:05:00
If these recent results convince you that Miliband and labour are unalectable why does the man smoking the cigar driving past in his Rolls Royce (the bookie) make them favourites to win the next election? and if you are right what does that say about the Tories?.
Look around you and see if Marx got it right or not, You seem to approve of Allende's fate, perhaps you should remember that in future, what election was McLuskey standing in?.
So UKIP have joined the SNP in representing the people of Scotland, huh Terry?
If there's a "Yes" vote given by the Scottish people, in moving away from their England brethren, are you sure that Salmond wont commission the swatstika as Scotlands new flag?
Kelly, it pains me to say this, but in the Useless Prat Stakes, Cameron is only marginally less useless than Miliband.
The First Minister could make a meal of both of them without breaking sweat.
comedy gold Terry Kelly gloating about UKIP making ground on labour.
terry Kelly again using his huge political nous to quote ladbrokes as proof of labours greatness hee hee, Terry ladbrokes make odds on the amount of money they take in not on what they think the result might be The idea of being a bookie is to set odds so that you win whatever the outcome, are you really that dense? you can't possibly be but hold on, are you actually gloating as ukip humps labour all over the uk EXCEPT SCOTLAND, i love these spoof sites they are ridiculously funny.
Anonymous said...Monday, May 26, 2014 6:22:00 pm
You are not making yourself very clear but as far as salmond is concerned he would wave any flag if there was something in it for him.
Monday, May 26, 2014 6:22:00 pm
Byeck said...Monday, May 26, 2014 7:47:00
I'm sure the snp mob would agree with you but as P T Barnum and alex salmond would say 'there's one born every minute@.
Kelly, I've been listening to Blair on the Today programme. God help Labour, a consummate liar is their only hope of government,
But.....Miliband has to go.
Anonymous said...Monday, May 26, 2014 8:39:00 pm Delete
alex salmond and the snp tartanshirts and no doubt you have been telling us for as long as I can remember that the Scots. are ‘different’ I have been saying for just as long that the Scots. are the same as everyone else including the English, this result goes a long way to proving me right. I challenge you to show me anything that I have said anywhere and at any time that could be perceived as supportive of UKIP. I can simplify my attitude to UKIP quite easily for you, they are much the same as the snp, and if you have been paying attention you will know what I think of the snp.
Byeck said...Tuesday, May 27, 2014 9:43:00 am.
This fixation with Blair is not healthy.
Why did you delete my comment from last night Kelly?
Afraid of the truth or just embarrassed by your stupidity?
And don't give me the guff about how brave you are and how we guys hide behind a cloak of anonimity. I have had first hand experience of the knuckle dragging butcher's apron brigade. Quite ironic and sad that you align yourself with these kind of people.
avanti popolo
Terry, a simple lesson in arithmetic for you.
Rest of the uk, UKIP get 30% of the vote, come 1st in the euro election.
In scotland they get 10% of the vote come 4th in euro elections.
In the 2009 European elections, UKIP got 16.5% of the vote in the UK as a whole, and 5.2% in Scotland – a gap of 11.3%. In this year’s election the tallies were 27.5% in the UK and 10.5% in Scotland – a gap of 17%.
Please explain how that proves your theory that the Scots are the same as everyone else?
Oh I get it Tony Bliar is on his way back, enough said.
Anonymous said..Tuesday, May 27, 2014 7:05:00 pm.
Comments which are not fit to print are excluded you have already had that explained to you, are you too cerebrally challenged to understand that?. I will explain it again in language that even you might be able to grasp. If you want to make crude insults or abuse me you have two simple choices, either identify yourself or come and do it face to face.
Anonymous said...Wednesday, May 28, 2014 6:19:00 am.
A simple lesson in logic for you Mr. Anonymous. UKIP are an ethnic nationalist party who have support in Scotland and the snp are the same, ergo the Scots. are the same as everyone else, we have our normal share of racists and bigots, UKIP are anti European bigots and the snp are anti English bigots.
Anonymous said---
I am happy as larry at all the people I know who were less pleased about ukip scraping in an MEP based on the wide advertising from the bbc. It is strange that Kelly feels the need to boast about the ukip managing to get what is proving to be an idiot from ukip (see interview on GMS where he couldn't name on 'mad' EU policy after saying he was there to stop 'thousands of them-daily!) ha. I think that the 10% fourth place for ukip in Scotland is not easily compared politically to widespread defeat of tories and labour in England where ukip WON the election with 27.5% beating the tories/labour ....... Meanwhile in the country that Terry lives in, the SNP got 29.5% of the vote in Scotland and won............more of the percentage of Scotland electorate in Scotland than Terry's favourites ukip managed in England. Meanwhile labour, Terry's right wing party.......well, he has so little to say about them at all in his 'identical' Scotland or England and that is because there isn't
Anonymous said--- Wednesday, May 28, 2014 6:21:00 pm Delete
UKIP and the snp are two sides of the same coin. They are both single issue ethnic nationalist parties driven by race hatred and chauvinism. UKIP’s support added to the support for the snp proves that Scotland is no different from anywhere else when it comes to voting for racists who offer easy answers which are always based on blaming someone who is ‘not one of us’. For UKIP that is Europeans and for the snp it is the English. As single issue zealots they are both capable of any underhand action because they will always justify that action no matter how terrible by claiming that it was ‘done for the cause’ which is really a version of ‘I was only following orders’. Rather than feeling the “need to boast” about UKIP winning the seat I am disgusted by their success, just as I would have been had the snp taken the seat. I do however get a kick out of seeing the most repellent politician of my generation salmond getting his egotistical boasts thrown back in his face, and for that reason I am looking forward to the referendum with great eagerness.
Crude comments Kelly? You dare to call democratically minded people who are thoroughly sick of Labour/Better Together's lies and sophistry Nazis - how crude and insulting can you get?
The phrase I used was avanti popolo my a--e to illustrate how far away from the people you are.
Labour in Scotland is finished. People are sick of their deceit.
this is just too good to be true, Alex Salmond the most repellent politician of your generation, you need help old boy. Let's look at the candidates for that, Margaret thatcher, less repellant than Salmond in Terry World?
Ian Duncan Smith ditto, Tony Bliar ditto, David cameron Ditto, George Osborne Ditto, Micheal Gove ditto, Enoch Powell, Ditto, Edwina Currie Ditto. Nick Griffin Ditto, Nigel Farage Ditto, Terry Kelly Ditto.
Lets put it to a vote Terry, Lets ask the people of Scotland who the most appealing politician is out of that lot, ask your bookie mate for the odds.
Kelly, your old guard Left is a spent force. In the latest example, your lad in Egypt got whipped, with his opponent polling 96% of the vote.
Any comment?
Anonymous said...Wednesday, May 28, 2014 6:49:00 pm.
"You dare to call democratically minded people Nazis"
That is a lie and you are a liar and and a fool.
Anonymous said...Thursday, May 29, 2014 6:40:00 am.
There are some real nasty characters in that lot but there is nothing that any of them would do or say that salmond would not also do or say as well and he is perfectly capable of much worse than any of them. That is because he is prepared to do or say literally anything, as long as he can satisfy himself that he can get away with it, morality, truth and decency are not part of his thought processes, all that matters is, will it benefit him. Thatcher already has salmond’s endorsement, remember?.
Byeck said...Thursday, May 29, 2014 11:02:00 am.
We have dealt with these people before and we will do so again. As I watched the odious collection of racists and bigots gaining ground in the EU election I thought to myself Byeck will be delirious with joy.
Kelly @ 11.32
Now, now, my wee dinosaur...you cannot go around labelling anyone who disagrees with you a 'racist bigot,' it simply isn't on.
And as for 'we have dealt with these people before and will do so again...,' that's a touch too Beria/Himmler for my democratic taste, but each to his own, as the Mammy used to say
Terry, a serious question have you given any consideration to trying rational thought.
How can you possibly say that Thatcher has Salmond's endorsement with a straight face, did you not listen to Ed Miliband ? Can you not see the oh so many ways that Blair was the bastard son of Margaret Thatcher and Norman Tebbit, FFS man labour UK have abandoned all and any socialist policy in the name of political expediency, forget independence for a minute, just think about forming a competent Scottish labour party again. I actually respect that you are an old style socialist, I get it I truly do, but seriously man Labour UK have had their way with and dumped you you and yet you continue to hold on like some lovesick schoolgirl ffs man have some dignity.
Byes said...Kelly @ 11.32Thursday, May 29, 2014 2:48:00 pm
I don't call people who disagree with me racist bigots, I call some of them racist bigots because that's what they are.
Beria was one of the West/America's favourite monsters and incredibly some people fell for it. We will deal with the others if we have to and we will have right on our side just as we had before,I reckon you will struggle to choose sides if it happens.
Anonymous said...Friday, May 30, 2014 8:29:00 am
I always think rationally and I believe that people like salmond do not really stand for or believe in anything except the benefits for themselves in whatever form they take, that is what makes him more potentially harmful than any of the people that you have named. Much as I despise most of those named I regard all of them as ’conviction’ politicians and that makes them relatively easy to understand and predict, not so with salmond. In his case there is nothing that he would not do no matter how despicable to gain personal advantage. He ( salmond) is not concerned with circumstances he does not say this is ugly, it’s terrible, it’s a nasty initiative I can’t possibly do this, what he says to himself is ‘can I do this and get away with it’ no matter what it is and if the answer to that is yes then he will not hesitate to do it, as long as it suits alex salmond.
Anonymous said...Friday, May 30, 2014 8:29:00 am
I always think rationally and I believe that people like salmond do not really stand for or believe in anything except the benefits for themselves in whatever form they take, that is what makes him more potentially harmful than any of the people that you have named. Much as I despise most of those named I regard all of them as ’conviction’ politicians and that makes them relatively easy to understand and predict, not so with salmond. In his case there is nothing that he would not do no matter how despicable to gain personal advantage. He ( salmond) is not concerned with circumstances he does not say this is ugly, it’s terrible, it’s a nasty initiative I can’t possibly do this, what he says to himself is ‘can I do this and get away with it’ no matter what it is and if the answer to that is yes then he will not hesitate to do it, as long as it suits alex salmond.
Kelly @ 2.36
Kelly, I detect a worrying note of hysteria in your response. (Think Gordon Brown and Mrs Duffy). Go seek help, big man...there's no shame in buckling under pressure.
Beria did indeed get a bad press, most of it Russian, then the misguided buggers gave him a fair trial and executed him.
Byeck said...Kelly @ 2.36 Friday, May 30, 2014 4:37:00 pm.
Gordon Brown and Mrs Duffy, haven't we done this?. Based on the conversation he had with her he described her perfectly.
Beria like all Russians was a cold hearted steely eyed communist fanatic and like all Russians he was completely without human feelings, a mass murderer no less. He and Stalin used to argue over whose turn it was to murder the children.
Kelly @ 5.14
The Mad Fifer issued a grovelling apology, as did the other Labour clown, only last week.
Seems you're the last dinosaur standing, son.
Byeck said...Kelly @ 5.14 Saturday, May 31, 2014 9:21:00 pm.
Politics is too complicated for you, there are real dyed in the wool bigots which Mrs. Duffy is not and there are what I call Rupert Murdoch bigots which she is.
Kelly @ 6.55
You silver tongued devil...the Kirkaldy Clown and the other Labour idiot were obliged to apologise, but not Kelly....he simply invented a whole new category of Bigot, with Mrs Duffy the only contender.
You have a way with words, Kelly, rarely seen outside the pages of the Daily Worker, or the Best of Joseph Goebels.
Kelly @ 6.55, Monday, June 02, 2014 9:29:00 pm.
Based on what Mrs. Duffy had to say I consider her to be a bigot. What do you think of what she had to say?.
What's a Rupert Murdoch bigot, he asked, cautiously?
Byeck said...Wednesday, June 04, 2014 9:14:00 am.
A Rupert Murdoch bigot is one who lets Murdoch and his ilk do their thinking for them.
Kelly @ 6.43
Much obliged for the clarification, Councillor. My stance on the Duffy - Brown business is best summed up by "British Jobs For British Workers." (The Rt Hon Gordon Brown, circa 2007)
Game, set & match, I believe...
Anonymous Byeck said...Wednesday, June 04, 2014 6:43:00 pm.
The phrase 'British workers does not mean the same thing to you and Mrs. Duffy as it does to me and Gordon Brown. To us it means British workers no matter where they come from, they can be Polish British workers, Indian British workers or Romanian British workers, not so with you and her. If you don't understand this just say and I will try to help you.
Kelly @ 5.14
...I feel faint...to quote the great Sir Ken Morrison, to the current CEO, at Morrisons AGM...B******t .
Anyone who wants to have a stab at what this mean is welcome to try.
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