Saturday, May 04, 2013
SALMOND & FARAGE THE NATIONALIST POSTER BOYS.
Thursday April 25 2013 09.30 and the curtain rises at the palace of varieties in Cotton Street as Renfrewshire Council gathers for a full council meeting. The power struggle which is raging among the snp crazies is as noticeable as it ever was and it now seems that the edge is with the bombastic and incoherent Cllr. Nicolson rather than the quieter though every bit as bizarre Cllr. Lawson; still the present and only just hanging on leader of the snp rabble. He has now perfected the art of walking backwards hence his survival; perhaps the snp bravehearts will break with tradition and stab him in the front, "uneasy lies the head that wears the crown" Henry 1V by William thingmy.
What happened? Not a lot unless you count the customary display of puerile behaviour from the snp and the stomach churning pontificating of the truly dire Cllr. Eileen McCartin Libdem who continues to fly in the face of all that is decent and 'Christian like' by defending the cold-hearted viciousness of her party and their Tory partners. Perhaps she finds succour in the tainted words of the truly immoral tyrants down through time who are fond of saying conceitedly, "this hurts me more than it hurts you but it is necessary"
Two interesting and all too characteristic items for any snp members followers or supporters who are reading this (I know you are out there) at this meeting the snp group on Renfrewshire Council voted against Labour's motion to Provide "the Living Wage" and also voted against another Labour motion designed at "Preventing Blacklisting Companies from getting public contracts" all together now Jock, Hamish, Sandy, Andy, "Oh flooooor oh Sco'lan when will we see oor like again" what would a separate Scotland be like with this gang in control.
Saturday May 4th. 2013 and I am absorbing the results of the English council elections. This is a good time to bear in mind the past links between nationalism and fascism as we see UKIP making large gains in England. When we set this beside the past electoral gains by our very own UKIP (the snp) and their squalid past connections with nazi right wing ideology it should serve to remind us not to become complacent, the price we pay for freedom is constant vigilance. Read the posts and emails by the snp/separatist/cybernats and you cannot fail to see the danger.
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22 comments:
yeah, chuckle's. i missed your wee rants. good to read your back to your best.
Rather illuminating that you find fascism funny, who would you have supported in WW11 ?
The referendum is going to get utterly vile and nasty as the SNP realise that the Scottish public see that to break up the UK is plain madness.
Look out for ordinary people being called "traitors and quislings" (oh the irony) as the bravehearts start the blame game.
They are odious people.
Kelly, will you never learn...another open goal. Remind us...who was Stalin's first choice for Best Buddy during Ww11?
You're on pretty thin ice trying to draw any kind of analogy between the SNP and UKIP: one is social democratic, one is conservative/economically liberal. UKIP are, of course, firmly anti-Scottish independence; just like David Cameron, the Orange Order, and you. You must be very proud to share your constitutional position with such progressive thinkers, Terry. I also see that you've referred in another thread to the unity of the UK during WWII as some kind of lame counter argument against Scottish independence: how long do you think it'll be before you mention the Dunkirk spirit and the white cliffs of dover? And please, don't go off on a rant about Arthur Donaldson and other nationalist idiots in the 40s who wanted a German victory. That's about as relevant as the suggestion that, because Oswald Mosley was once a member of the Labour party, it follows that Ed Balls is itching to put on a black shirt. Incidentally, I have a question: do you think that Holyrood should have more, less, or no powers? I'm interested in how you stand in the internal debate in your party.
Anonymous said. Saturday, May 04, 2013 7:28:00 pm
I don’t need to draw any analogy, UKIP are nationalists and the snp are nationalists Ukip are fascists and the snp were supportive of the Nazis in WW11 these are facts not just my opinions. An opinion on the constitutional position is not a political predilection, is that too complicated for you to grasp? Mosely was a Labour party member before becoming a fascist and Donaldson was the leader of the snp and spoke for them when he argued in opposition to fighting Hitler and fascism. Both appropriately landed in jail and no amount of obfuscation by you or anyone else can cover up the fact the the snp have a squalid fascist history which manifests itself in today’s snp anti English racism. I don’t know what your question re ”more’ for Holyrood” means but I can tell you if it helps that I want no more of anything for Holyrood.
Byeck said...Saturday, May 04, 2013 7:11:00 pm
There are two things you should chew over, and I really must find a way of charging you for this.
1/ There was no shortage of support for Hitler and fascism in Britain, mainly from High Tories and backwoods racists from the upper classes, endorsed enthusiastically of course by our own dear Royal Family and also of course the snp’s aspiring gauleiters.
2/ The difference between them and the Soviet Union was that Stalin’s actions were driven by necessity and a longer term strategy which he knew would result in war with Germany while the support from Britain including the snp for German Fascism was ideological. To some people, (perhaps not you) that is an important difference.
Oakwood said..Saturday, May 04, 2013 6:47:00 pm
I agree totally with what you say, we have already seen this happen when the wired up snp crazies get beaten, remember the Glenrothes By Election and the Paisley double By Election.
I would include the increasing likelihood of disorder and violent behaviour on the streets when the gnats are humiliated. It will be a perilous time for anyone with an English accent as the snp/separatist/cybernats go looking for retribution against the people they judge to be traitors etc. Ugly does not begin to describe them.
And you're a nationalist: a British nationalist, which is why you're on the same page as UKIP. An opinion on the constitutional position is a political predilection-by definition. Is that too hard for you to grasp? UKIP are not fascists, they're libertarians: the former believe in the supremacy of the state over the individual, the latter believe the reverse. Buy yourself a dictionary, Terence: it's a big book that explains what words mean. I expected that you wouldn't want more of anything for Holyrood, since you're clearly such a constitutional conservative. I have another question-can you find any SNP councillor who's decribed England as a sectarian, racist cesspit: the words you used to describe Scotland? I'd accuse you of being a racist, but since the Scots aren't a race that would be silly, wouldn't it? So I'll just speculate that the reason you like to denigrate Scotland is that the SNP has taken, is taking, and will take more power from your flop of a party.
Anonymous said...
Saying I’m a nationalist and on the same page as UKIP is just about as absurd as it gets, I'm not a nationalist I'm an Internationalist, you must be some kind of idiot. You are clearly unable to handle the fact that the constitutional issue is separate from political issues so you try shouting louder to conceal that. Ukip are fascists and it’s typical of nationalists like you to defend them. They are little Englanders who want to be ethnically pure, just like the snp.
I don’t agree with a Scottish Parliament because it is a huge and unnecessary expense, it’s simply not needed. Snp councillors don’t mention England much because doing so exposes their bigotry, they now use code, when you hear them say London, down south, the home counties, Westminster etc. they imply England and the English. They are obsessed with spurious anti English grievances, like the Nazis and the Jews the snp need someone to blame and for them that’s the English. I have never denigrated Scotland because Scotland is no different from any other country it has good and bad in it, and I believe that those who find it impossible to tell the truth about Scotland are the ones guilty of denigration and you are one of them.
On the contrary, Terry. There's a lot I dislike about Scotland. Number 1 on the list is that toxic combination of resentment and insecurity that's a consequence of being the junior partner in a political union, and the tendency that goes with it to blame the English for out own shortcomings. That, you must admit, isn't confined to the SNP: there are plenty of confused people in every party who're perfectly comfortable with that "it's all the fault of the English" nonsense. You don't have to look any further than the many Labour voters who still blame the English for voting in Margaret Thatcher three times, do you? Also, I wasn't defending UKIP: I've no time for the party. The point I was making is that yelling fascist at anyone you disagree with makes the word meaningless. I loathe fascism of every flavour, whether it's represented by a Hitler, a Stalin, a Franco or a Castro. As far as your opinion on Holyrood is concerned, you should resign yourself to the fact that not only is it not going away, it's going to become more influential irrespective of what happens next year: perhaps you should consult Johann Lamont rather than those bitter Labour seatwarmers at Westminster who see their sinecures under threat. Finally, I assume that you're being deliberately obtuse when you say that the constitutional issue isn't a political issue. I hope so anyway-if only for the sake of the people who trusted you to represent them.
Cllr Kelly do you have any friends?
Drew said...Tuesday, May 07, 2013 2:52:00 pm
I don't want to sound cruel Drew but if you want to make friends there are agencies you can join, lonely hearts etc. that kind of thing.
Anonymous said.. Monday, May 06, 2013 8:11:00 pm
I’m not aware of being a junior partner in anything, keep your insecurities to yourself if you don’t mind, and I don’t blame the English for anything they are my fellow Britons, my fellow trade union brothers and sisters and my friends. Nor do I blame the English for Thatcher I blame the snp for that, they were and still are treacherous bastards. I don’t yell fascist at anyone I disagree with, I yell fascist at fascists and that includes you. I was asked my opinion about Holyrood and I gave it, I don’t need advice from you on it. Anyone who equates the constitutional issue with the political issues is either a fool or a liar now crawl back under your stone with the rest of the tartan Nazis. .
I'm not a nazi, I'm not a fascist, and I don't yell insults at people I disagree with. That would be a bit, well, fascistic, wouldn't it? Tell me, genius: if the constitutional question isn't a political issue what is it? Come on, Terry, don't be ashamed: why are you so embarassed by sharing mutual opinions with Orangemen and Tories?
Dear cousin we belong to a Federation of Cassandras, Apollo left her the gift of prophecy but cursed her so that no one could or would believe her. “Beware of Danaos (Greeks) bearing gifts” also belongs to her.
Martha Gellhorn another member of the federation and correspondent at the front in the Spanish Civil War warned of facism, then came Hitler. The British papers routinely called her "instinctively left-wing," but it was hard to find any politics beyond the sense of outrage she never lost. She certainly had the anarchist's suspicion of government. Dumped her husband Hemingway saying "He was fun, then he wasn't" how honest is that.
Like Martha never loose your sense of outrage.
Arthur Kelly Craigneuk/Chicago
Anonymous said. Tuesday, May 07, 2013 8:18:00 pm
I’m not a genius and self evidently neither are you. I have addressed the issue of constitutionalism ad nauseam and I am not prepared to make any more allowances for your inability to appreciate the distinction between that and political issues this is our last conversation on this unless you can change the narrative.
As far as the Tories and the Orange order are concerned I would remind you that Tories, Labour, Communists, Orangemen, Catholics, atheists and many others were content to stand side by side to oppose Hitler while the ones who campaigned against that stand were the Scottish nationalists, something for you to be proud of. This was able to happen because the fight was not politically divisive; except of course for the snp quislings.
Anonymous said...Wednesday, May 08, 2013 1:09:00 am
Some of us cousin seem to have been born with that rage. Some of us are destined to go out while we "rage against the dying of the light" Dylan Thomas. I know you understand.
What proof have you that Scots Nationalists did not stand against Hitler. I believe this particular subject was the subject of a recent book by a St Andrews academic. Despite extensive research he could find no substantive link. Can you? Or is this another one of your wee white lies and smears.
The catalogue of pre war Labourites who actively supported appeasement is really quite extensive. I would never suggest however that they eventually did not stand against Hitler. That would be offensive.
Many of the Scots who fought Hitler believed in a free Scotland. My own grandfather being one. How he would have felt being called a fascist sympathiser by you, I dread to think.
Anonymous said..
Thursday, May 30, 2013 8:29:00 pm
The snp campaigned to persuade Scottish men not to oppose Nazi Fascism and several of it’s leaders at the time were imprisoned for this activity, most famously the party leader Arthur Donaldson. They held demonstrations and issued leaflets to promote these views. There were others who opposed the war but they were mainly pacifists and Quakers etc. the snp were not in that category. Their position was to refuse to fight fascism and any member of their party who remained a member of the party at that time was IMO was guilty. That applies to all members who did not distance themselves from the stand taken by the party and it’s leaders, that may or may not include your grandfather. If he was a member of the snp and remained loyal to them then obviously it would include him.
Terry. I didn't say my grandad was a member of the SNP. He believed in an independent Scotland. Much like today, you do not have to be an Snp supporter to believe in independence.
Come on the referendum and all the opportunity it offers is so much bigger than petty party politics.
Get over yourself man and embrace the future. The potential for a true socially just Scotland is within reach. We can elect the government we want when we are independent. The snp are a means to an end. Even many snp members will state that.
I have to ask though, are you seriously suggesting the snp is fascist. That is comical. Are you a comedian?
Anonymous said...Thursday, June 06, 2013 10:14:00 pm
I didn't say your granddad was a member of the snp either. The opportunity offered by this charade of a referendum gives us the chance to lay to rest such rubbish for a generation. If the snp are the means to an end then that end is a
is a backward reactionary and racially prejudiced Scotland and I will fight against that.
The snp have a fascist pedigree and nationalism and totalitarianism are inextricably linked throughout history, just look at the reaction of the snp/separatist/cybernats to Chris Hoy’s comments recently; that was a mild form of what they are capable of.
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