Monday, March 07, 2011

ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE ARE THE MILITARY CRITICS?

I am about to see eye to eye with the Tories, no it's not a joke but what I'm getting at might still aggravate some of them, probably a lot of them in fact. Not so long ago when Labour were in power it was difficult to pick up a newspaper or tune in to a news bulletin without the Labour Government getting all kinds of abuse from those who accused them of selling out our armed forces. It was a contrived coordinated attack on Labour by the right wing media and high ranking military officers aided and abetted shamefully by trendy left groups like the SSP who appallingly exploited the grieving mothers and fathers of soldiers killed or wounded to attack Labour.

Where are the retired Colonels, Rear Admirals and Chief Flying Officers now as the Army, Navy and RAF are decimated by this Tory/Libdem cabal, they have all gone quite have they not? What happened to the outrage from the Press and TV it was a nightly occurrence with right wing politicians and right wing reporters attacking like hungry sharks. Have I missed something; are soldiers no longer being killed and maimed what happened to the rage against Labour, is it OK to be blown to bits as long as it's a Tory led Government in power?

What hypocrites, how about Salmond running around trying to save British Regiments and British Air bases what a con man independence my Jim Royle . I said at the time and I feel vindicated now, that the complaints were designed to attack the Labour Government and the weapons of choice were dead and injured soldiers who were exploited remorselessly. A bad workman blames his tools and so it was with the Armed Forces, the bellicose elderly Generals and Colonels deliberately turned the blame on the Government to hide the fact that one of the biggest and best equipped armies in the world couldn't beat a group of peasants using single shot rifles which they had to share, one gun between two fighters. They were prepared to blame anyone and anything to avoid the obvious; that is that the British Armed Forces need an enema.

All jobs and positions need to be opened up to talent and an end put to nepotism which has been ripe in the Forces and indeed in our society for far too long, read about the cretin Prince Andrew if you don't believe me. Let me explain why I agree with the Tories. Successive governments have clung to the fiction that Britain is a big player on the world stage and our armed forces reflect that, this ceased to be the case a long time ago but no one in politics has had the nerve to admit it. This Tory Government doesn't have that nerve either but they have made it plain by their actions that Britain is an also ran in the modern world, their ruthless destruction of the military states that clearly, even if they won't come out and say it. I urge them now to finish what they have started by ridding the world of Trident and the rest of the weapons of mass destruction which we don't need. I guess that you along with me can think of lots of ways to spend the hundreds of billions we pay for weapons of war, enough to guarantee full employment, first class education, housing and medical treatment for everyone. Once we have done that we can get started on the class system beginning with Lords, Baronets and Knights of the Garter, then all unelected Royal Parasites and not a penny piece for anyone who does not earn it, that would be a good start wouldn't it?

74 comments:

Jim said...

If only Labour had remained true to it's roots, Trident could have been abolished in those 12 years of Labour majority rule.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

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By Jim on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... at 11:28

If Labour was a pacifist party I would not be a member but; I can assure you there are a great many people like me in the party and we remain the best hope of a British Government ever scrapping weapons of mass destruction.

Jim said...

Clearly Labour is not the party of the pacifist as it has immersed us in those American Imperial oil wars, but were we ever likely to need Trident for them? or is Trident covering our backs in case the Russians come for our oil whilst we're busy trying to misappropriate the Iraqi's oil for the Yanks?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Jim on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... at 14:45

1/No 2/No. I don’t regard Pacifism as in any way heroic had we all been pacifists in the past we would all be speaking German now. It would be a novel diversion if you could find something original or relevant to say instead of the graffiti you write.

Jim said...

Yes, I suppose pointing out the hypocrisy of your double standards isn't really original comment on this site.

Strange though, as I actually agree with you about the Lords. Yon (hypocritical) birkies Prescott & Foulkes wouldn't be a bad place to start if we were giving the establishment an overhaul.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Jim on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... on 08/03/11

I’m not aware of double standards on my part but it’s a typical cheap shot. You seem unable to say anything genuinely stimulating or worthwhile. Paraphrasing the 3rd. rate Ayrshire plagiarist seems to be just about right for you as well.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on A MESSAGE FOR CLLRS. MACKAY, CAMERON AND MC CARTIN... on 08/03/11

I have too much self respect to ever do anything anonymously.

Jim said...

"I’m not aware of double standards on my part"

Yes, I've never thought of 'self-awareness' being one of your stronger points.

"3rd rate Ayrshire Plagiarist" - I can't believe you're still chundering out that line - yawn! Stimulating and original stuff indeed!

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Jim on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... at 13:18

Is there any chance that you might get round to actually saying something?

Anonymous said...

"All jobs and positions need to be opened up to talent and an end put to nepotism which has been ripe in the Forces"

Ha Ha, You are priceless, when did the Labour party start then? By the way any photies of leaders of the Labour party slobbering over dictators or even Labour MP's likewise? Oh I forgot, its the party of principles.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... at 16:19

I have a certain principle that you and spineless cowards like you should consider. I have never in the past nor will I in the future ever involve myself in an argument or make accusations about anyone or the party they are a member of or support, without identifying myself first.
What do you think of that principle?

Jim said...

"Is there any chance that you might get round to actually saying something?"

Why?

All name throwing aside Terry, what is exactly the point of this blog?

David Duff said...

I can hardly bring myself to write these words but, rather like one of those South American kids who spend all day and every day scavanging in their big city waste dumps in the hope of finding something useful or valuable, I have plucked from the mound of detritus which constitutes this particular post one sensible idea:

"Successive governments have clung to the fiction that Britain is a big player on the world stage and our armed forces reflect that, this ceased to be the case a long time ago but no one in politics has had the nerve to admit it."

It is not written in the best of English grammar but the essence of the thought is valid. Mind you, I deserve a medal for trudging through all that, er, mire before I stumbled across it!

Anonymous said...

Terry, Googled you and this came up.What a multi-talented body you are, but I have me doubts about the last two, laddie.

'Terry Kelly is a singer, a songwriter, a multi-award winning recording artist, an entertainer, a motivational speaker, an accomplished athlete, and a lover ...'

Anonymous said...

I see that Scottish Labour are now seeing eye to eye with the SNP by vowing to freeze council tax.

What a laugh!!!

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... at 14:01

Labour freezing council tax does not mean seeing eye to eye with anyone, there are many examples of political parties having the same policies it doesn’t mean they see eye to eye with each other, a rather naive thing to say.

Would you agree that the SNP see eye to eye with the Libdems and therefore eye to eye with the Tories who have been keeping them in power at Holyrood?

Would you further agree that the SNP now see eye to eye with Labour over Primary School hours?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... at 13:23

You missed out “Terry Kelly is a well known destroyer of Anonymous cowards who write to his blog.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By David Duff on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... on 11/03/11

I will just have to go scavanging for tips on good grammar. Are you familiar with the word eejit?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Jim on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... on 10/03/11

If there is no point to this blog why are you reading it?

Anonymous said...

"council tax bribe by the nats.
The cost of council services generally go up every year, when you have a tax freeze you lessen the money available to pay for those costs and services get cut, that's what the SNP have just done."

These are your words Terry. So what is your position on the council tax freeze bribe now being offred by Scottish Labour?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... at 15:19

You are suggesting here that a labour Government will be exactly the same as the present SNP Government because Labour will freeze council tax. There is absolutely no evidence to support such rubbish. Council tax is only one issue among many others. Labour will no doubt do lots of things differently from the Gnats and the council tax freeze will be made possible as part of a wider programme not pulled out of a hat as a stunt as the Gnats did when things got rough.

Anonymous said...

I was asking for your position Terry.
Are you now saying that you support a council tax freeze after condemning the SNP for introducing this policy.

We all know that you are a hypocrite so feel free to answer the question truthfully,

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... on 12/03/11

If you want to call me a hypocrite and then ask me a question you had better identify yourself, I asked you a question as well remember; if it was too difficult you could try this one – do you now accept that the SNP have abandoned independence, would it be hypocrisy to still support a party who have dumped their raison d’être?

Anonymous said...

Do you now support the freezing of council tax, Terry?

I look forward to your answer.

Regards,
David Park.

Jim said...

I was asking what you thought the point of this blog was.

I know why I read it.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

So why do you read it then?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... on 14/03/11

I will support the freezing of council tax but I would not support it if it was done as the SNP have done it, they have done it in a way which was designed to con people into thinking they were getting something for nothing which of course they weren’t as the council cuts have shown.

Anonymous said...

This is a hilarious u-turn by the Labour Party just a few weeks before the Scottish elections.

I have never seen a more cynical vote bribe in my life.

You must be hugely embarassed at having to copy an SNP flagship policy after vociferously opposing it for the last 4 years just for the sake of trying to weedle back into power.

Why don't you just go down to Houston's in Paisley and get yourself sized up for a full Highland outfit(special sizes take a while).

This is the best laugh I've had in a while.

Quote from Terry Kelly.

"The cost of council services generally go up every year, when you have a tax freeze you lessen the money available to pay for those costs and services get cut, that's what the SNP have just done."

So you are admitting that if you get back in to power in Renfrewshire that you will cut services as you are going to freeze council tax. Your words not mine!!

Pamela said...

Councillor Kelly,

Can you confirm to me if Labour will guarantee to reinstate the school bus limit to 2 miles in Renfrewshire if they are freezing the council tax that is presuming they get back in power in Renfreshire?

Anonymous said...

Now let's get this right as ther is an election coming up.

SNP Tax Freeze - Baaaaad Tax Freeze

Labour Tax Freeze - Gooooooood Tax Freeze.

Let's say it again.

SNP Tax Freeze - Baaaaad Tax Freeze

Labour Tax Freeze - Gooooooood Tax Freeze.

Now altogether.

SNP Tax Freeze - Baaaaad Tax Freeze

Labour Tax Freeze - Gooooooood Tax Freeze.

Now go home everyone and practice till you start believing it

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... at 13:18

Now let’s get this right, whoever you are you clearly don’t understand how this works, it’s easy to freeze taxes if you have no concern about the impact on services that’s the SNP way. Labour have stated that they will freeze council tax while protecting services, something the SNP had no intention of doing.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Pamela on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... at 13:06

Labour are on record as stating they will reinstate the school busses which the SNP cut, the busses were put on by Labour in the first place.

Anonymous said...

So Labour will not cut any services during a council tax freeze and will reinstate all of those cut by the SNP.

Is that what you are saying Terry?

Anonymous said...

As far as Renfrewhire goes thsi Labour tax freeze is no big deal as it is only a 2 year commitment.

We would already be getting a further year under SNP so as far as Renfrewshire is concerned they only have to commit to a 1 year freeze before going back to their policy of massive council tax rises every year once their feet.
are under the door again.

My council tax is currently more than my mortgage thanks to continual Labour rises over the 10 years prior to the SNP coming into power.

I know wher my vote will be going and it won't be Labour.

Who can believe a party that opposes a policy for over 4 years and then suddenly jumps on the bandwagon and adopts it a few weeks before an election.

You are indeed having a laugh.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... at 12:59

“I have never seen a more cynical vote bribe in my life”
You must have some memory.

“get yourself sized up for a full Highland outfit”
I will leave the Highland Outfits to the gullible nationalist fools who have been conned into buying them for years thinking they are traditionally Scottish.

Ian Gray has said that unlike the SNP, Labour will freeze the Council Tax and protect services. If the SNP had a shred of honesty they would have said “we are freezing Council Tax but you will pay the price through service cuts and job losses” The SNP tax freeze tax freeze was a cynical bribe, just like free prescriptions and Independence, remember that? Independence under the Queen of Britain as the Spiv Salmond said, your reason for being in politics has been abandoned; going by your own infantile rhetoric you have betrayed Scotland, you are traitors? and you call others cynical !

Anonymous said...

Terry,

You are on record as saying that freezing council tax means cutting services.

Do you deny this?

Anonymous said...

AUGUST 16TH 2010

SCOTTISH Labour called yesterday for the SNP government to end the council tax freeze.

In a major gamble nine months before the next Holyrood election, leader Iain Gray said cash-strapped councils should be able to put up bills to protect frontline services.

The move would lead to the first increase in council tax bills since the Nats came to power in 2007.

A HUMILIATION FOR LABOUR TO SAY THE LEAST

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... at 14:26

I think we have been here before but you people seem to be too thick or dishonest to grasp this maybe you are both but being a reasonable man I will try to explain again, please pay attention.

It is not possible for anyone from any party to say that they will reinstate all cuts made by their predecessors and here is the bit for you to concentrate on.
An administration can choose to cut a service, let’s say a school closes and is demolished. If the next administration promises to rebuild that school they will have to spend perhaps £10 Million to rebuild what the previous administration destroyed for less than £500,000.
I doubt if this will be understood by you but I can only try.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... at 14:35

If you think that the cost of your council tax is more important than the welfare of society in general and particularly the poor, the elderly and the vulnerable then I would prefer not to have you vote. That is a right wing reactionary position which no doubt will lead you to vote SNP whose leader on Renfrewshire Council Mackay is on record as saying that the cuts by the Tory/Libdem government in Westminster “are about right” believe me you are welcome to each other.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... at 14:36

Freezing Council Tax as shown by the SNP/Libdem coalition does mean cutting services. The SNP lied by omission by not telling the people there was a price to be paid for the freeze, that price was service cuts such as cutting Primary School hours if the people had not stopped them. Labour will freeze the tax and protect services.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... at 14:45

The real humiliation is with the SNP who lied to people by not telling them there was a price to pay for the freeze and that was service cuts. Labour will freeze the tax and protect services.

Your use of the word humiliation is rather strange when you consider what has just happened to the SNP in Renfrewshire over Primary School Cuts. You might also consider what word you would use for an Independent country which is not allowed to choose its own head of state which is the rather pathetic and humiliating position of the SNP who want to have her Royal Majesty Queen Elizabeth of Britain and her heirs as their monarchs. Is it not humiliating to support a party whose raison d’être (independence) has been binned?

Anonymous said...

Lets's face it Terry.

Labour have made a major U-turn and climb-down.

There must be many red faces in the Labour party in Scotland after such a campaign against the council tax freeze.

You are the laughing stock of Scotland and the hilarity of Renfrewshire.

My stomach is sore with laughing at you.

Why couldn't you come up with something innovative instead of having to copy an SNP policy in a desperate bid to buy some votes.

Cringe all ye Labour supporters

Anonymous said...

"Labour will freeze the tax and protect services."

But YOU SAID

"The cost of council services generally go up every year, when you have a tax freeze you lessen the money available to pay for those costs and services get cut, that's what the SNP have just done."

So how are you going to do it.

I imagine the next Labour Candidate for Renfrewshire is Ali Bongo.

Or for the younger readers, maybe Penn and Teller.

Maria said...

Mr Kelly,

How does it feel to have to adopt an SNP policy in order to win votes.

You have sold your soul in favouring this u-turn policy from your party leadership and have shown that you will go any way the wind blows.

This will inevitably lead to cuts on vital srevices which you now seem to be supporting

Shame on you. Coward

Maria Fitzpatrick.

Anonymous said...

If you ever had any credibility, it's completely disappeared now. Surely, even you must realise that the straws your clutching at only exist in the darkest corners of your fevered imagination. I'm not aware of the success or otherwise you may have had in the earlier part of your career, however it's a fairly tragic end to go out with such a whimper.

In order that you can't attempt one of your pathetic diversions please note that my name is Jim Donachie.

voiceofourown said...

I'd be interested to hear what it is about the Labour council tax freeze that, unlike the SNP council tax freeze, guarantees protection of council services.

To quote an acknowledged expert:

"The cost of council services generally go up every year, when you have a tax freeze you lessen the money available to pay for those costs and services get cut"

Terry, you're just a tribalist. Labour good, SNP bad.

Ignore the facts - keep the faith.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... on 14/03/11

There is a difference which you lot choose not to see, at least you now concede that the SNP have frozen council tax without spelling out the consequences to the people in terms of cuts in services, I suppose that’s progress of a kind. You lied to the electorate again though didn’t you.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... on 14/03/11

If council tax is frozen as the SNP did it then services will suffer through it, at least you now admit that, you did nothing to prevent that and you did not tell the people it was going to happen, you conned them again, you are liars. Labour have announced a freeze and stated that services will be protected. What we will not do is cut the hours taught in Primary Schools and tell parents and teachers it will improve education provision. I think there is a difference there and I think voters will see that.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Maria on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... on 14/03/11

I don’t know whether you have actually read or heard what Ian Gray said, I suggest you take the time to do so and stop demonstrating your ignorance. You could start by asking yourself why the SNP did nothing to stop cuts to services and did not tell people that there would be cuts.

Maria Fitzpatrick is a nice name but I know nothing about you, you would be as well using anonymous. If you have political affiliations you should try to find the courage to admit to them.

Anonymous said...

"There is a difference....the SNP have frozen council tax without spelling out the consequences to the people in terms of cuts in services" ??? Surely no spelling out required, they would notice when services were cut?

School shut the day you went? It was probably a cut but someone never spelled it out for you.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... on 14/03/11
What you have written is drivel but, I’m interested in you saying your name is Jim Donachie to which I can only reply so what, what does that tell me about you? It’s no more than a pathetic diversion, designed to avoid the accusation of cowardice which still stands. If you have a political persuasion why not tell us about it what are you afraid/ashamed of?

Ronnie said...

How can anyone believe that Labour will protect services whilst freezing council tax when they have constantly said that a council tax freeze is not sustainable without cutting services.

It makes no sense and smacks of a panic measure as we approach the coming Scottish elections.

Voters will not be fooled by this type of cynical bribery.

I would have had more respect for Labour if they had stood by their convictions.

Anonymous said...

Why is your pal Wendy A, not prepared to endorse Ian Grey in the election? Does she know something we dont? Alex B.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... at 12:41

The SNP froze the council tax knowing that services would suffer but did not mention that fact to the people and you think that is what honest? It says it all about you and the SNP liars, no wonder you hide your identity.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Ronnie on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... at 12:46

“they have constantly said that a council tax freeze is not sustainable without cutting services”

Who said this, when/where? Iain Gray has just stated we will freeze the tax and protect services. Is this a case of laziness or lies on your part.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

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By Anonymous on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... at 12:54

That kind of thing has never been an issue in the Labour Party nor should it be. I know it would be a big issue in the SNP where it’s Salmond or expulsion but unlike the SNP herd Labour is not under the thumb of a Gaulieteer.

Ronnie said...

AND FROM TERRY KELLY HIMSELF

"and apply it to the SNP con trick of a council tax freeze, they lied to the people when they said this could be done without services suffering and now they are."

"My mistake but my point is still valid council tax freeze means service cuts."

"If you have a tax freeze then services will suffer the SNP do not accept that and that makes them liars."

"The freezing of the council tax means that services will suffer: let me try to explain that for you; council tax pays for services right? costs go up each year right? no rise in council tax means that the rising costs can’t be met right? services will suffer then right? is any of this getting through?"


AND FROM IAIN GRAY


" Iain Gray's statement that a council tax freeze isn't affordable," he said. "If we weren't in such dire straits, I would welcome the freeze continuing but in the current financial climate I don't think it will work.""

"Meanwhile, Scottish Labour leader Iain Gray said councils had been pushed to the brink and accused the SNP of forcing "difficult choices" onto local authorities.

"The SNP tried to rig the council tax freeze for their own party political advantage but they always knew it was unsustainable"

"In what could prove a high-risk strategy ahead of the Scottish elections, Gray said the current tax freeze – which has so far saved the average householder £200 – was “unsustainable” and he wants local authorities to be able to hike bills to maintain frontline services."

Need any more Terry?

Anonymous said...

Wendy doesn't need to endorse anything as she has thrown the towel in or didn't you know.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Ronnie on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... at 13:38

I think you are deliberately missing the point, the SNP deliberately mislead people when they introduced the freeze without telling them that there would be consequences such as service cuts that was the SNP telling lies to buy votes. Labour are stating that they will freeze the tax and protect services.

The SNP clearly think as you do that freezing the tax and cutting services without telling people is OK as long as it wins them votes, we dont. Perhaps you could explain to me how you will maintain services while cutting taxes? I would love to hear that one, how do you build hospitals and nursing homes without raising taxes, would you do away with paying taxes? It looks like people are seeing through your lies now.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... at 13:40

Maybe she “threw in the towel” as you put it because she was scared she was going to lose her seat, what do you reckon, best to stay anonymous eh?

Ronnie said...

I am not missing any point.

Let's recap.

Labour have continually held the position that a council tax freeze means cuts in services and they have opposed it for over 4 years.

Now all of a sudden at the verge of a Scottish Election and they know that it is a popular SNP policy they are saying that a council tax freeze is good and they will protect public services but they haven't said how they will do this.

In other words it is a big vote buying lie that anyone with any intelligence will never believe.

Sorry Terry but this one you lose badly wth no cigar!

Go home and practice

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Ronnie on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... at 18:58

“Labour have continually held the position that a council tax freeze means cuts in services”

A sweeping lazy statement which is wrong, you are not addressing a branch meeting of the backward SNP teuchter squad now Ronnie a bit more intellectual rigour is required and less laziness.

Labour have continually held the view that a Council Tax freeze as carried out by the SNP means cuts in services, there is a difference in there if you care to see it and admit to it. The SNP made no attempt to protect services and even refused to state that there would be cuts, it was lies for votes. You can’t lie your way out of everything and people are now seeing through you.

You really ought to spend a bit more time examining what Salmond tells you, perhaps if you did that you wouldn’t be left looking so thick so often.

Maggies Handbag said...

Councillor Kelly,as a late comer to this seminar, I'm puzzled... are you saying that any Labour freeze of Council Tax would not mean cuts in services, whereas, an SNP freeze would see services disappear as fast as a Scotsman told it's his turn to get the drinks in?

voiceofourown said...

Terry, what took Labour so long to realise they could freeze council tax AND protect services?
Were they holding back in case it embarrased the SNP?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Maggies Handbag on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... on 15/03/11

Labour leader Iain Gray has stated that Labour will freeze Council Tax and protect services that seems quite easy to understand to me. Scotsmen very rarely if ever place themselves in a position where they might be expected to get the drinks in.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By voiceofourown on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... at 11:10

What makes you think it took Labour so long to realise this? Along with lots of other Labour colleagues I have been saying this for ages. The charge which you studiously avoid is that the SNP did not try to protect services and they committed a huge lie of omission by not telling people that they were sacrificing services to buy votes with a tax freeze.

Ronnie said...

BY TERRY KELLY

"The freezing of the council tax means that services will suffer: let me try to explain that for you; council tax pays for services right? costs go up each year right? no rise in council tax means that the rising costs can’t be met right? services will suffer then right? is any of this getting through?"

VOICEOFOUROWN

"Terry, what took Labour so long to realise they could freeze council tax AND protect services?"

TERRY'S REPLY TO VOICEOFOUROWN

"Along with lots of other Labour colleagues I have been saying this for ages."


YOU COULDN'T MAKE THIS UP - WHAT A CLOWN

lady gaga said...

Im confused. You will freeze council tax & protect services. How will you fill the £25million funding gap which Renfrewshire will face again next year??????????

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Ronnie on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... at 16:25

Perhaps I should make some allowances for someone who can’t think straight. The freezing of Council Tax will result in cuts to services if nothing is put in place to protect them, any clearer? I really shouldn’t need to explain that should I? You see when the Council Tax freeze was announced by the SNP we along with many others asked that very question, “how do you propose to protect services?” there was no answer from the SNP because they were hoping no one would spot the big lie of ommission.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By lady gaga on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... at 19:02

You need to be a bit clearer. Are you saying that freezing the council tax will create a funding gap of £25m which is impossible to say unless you can say what the tax rise would have been without a freeze. Or are you talking about the funding gap which the SNP referred to in their budget which of course had more cuts in it than the Tory budget.

Fiona said...

What is it that is being put in place to protect them Terry?

Where will Labour find the money?

Surely you must explain this to people before the election so that people will know what will suffer to pay for the freeze. Isn't this what you are continually criticising the SNP for.

How can people believe you when you have so adamantly stated in that past that council taxes cannot be frozen without cutting services.

This is a dramatic u-turn from Labour that people cannot trust unless it is backed up with proper information.

Please explain

Maggies Handbag said...

Councillor, if Iain Gray can freeze Council Tax while not cutting services, it's right up there with Jesus feeding the five thousand on two biscuits and a smokie.

With this man to lead you, the sunlit uplands surely beckon.

By the by...what the hell is a Chief Flying Officer?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Fiona on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... at 07:56

“council taxes cannot be frozen without cutting services”

That is not what I said I gave the example of Cutting Council Tax without doing anything to prevent the harm that would do if provision was not put in place to protect services which is what the SNP did.

Labour have said they will freeze the tax and protect services, there are other savings which can be made, high earners should shoulder some of the burden and devious con tricks like free care for the elderly even when they are wealthy and can afford to pay as well as cynical headline stunts like free prescriptions again for those who can afford to pay, those who couldn’t afford prescription charges were already protected free prescriptions for those who can afford them is a shameless con.

Do you think that 550 nurses lost last year and 3,000 teachers lost since the SNP came to power etc. might have helped them to bribe people with lies and stunts. Now that the SNP have abandoned their outright hostility to the Scottish Parliament raising some of its own funds (remember that one) there will be a bit more money around, what about the SNP manifesto promise to scrap the Council Tax (remember that one) when will that be, just how gullible/ partisan do you clowns get?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Maggies Handbag on ARE WE HEADIMG FOR “GREAT MURDOCH BRITAIN” WHERE A... at 12:33

I don’t know what a “Chief Flying Officer” is I made it up I couldn’t be bothered looking up the title of a senior Air Force chappie, think of the 2 British airmen being hidden by the French Resistance in Allo Allo ,were you unable to follow the post because of it?
Iain Gray can leap tall buildings at a single jump.