Wednesday, December 29, 2010

THE SNP/LIBDEM EDUCATIONAL VANDALISM IN RENFREWSHIRE GOES FURTHER.

Cllr. Cameron SNP (P.D.E. Dec. 29 2010) shamelessly suggests that replacing 60 primary teachers with unqualified sessional workers will benefit our children; I find it difficult to accept that anyone could actually believe this let alone Cllr. Cameron who is convener of Education. This is what the SNP/Libdem coalition intend to do, sack 60 primary teachers and replace them with unqualified sessional staff. Not satisfied with cutting over £12m. from the education budget in 3 years, closing schools, cutting music tuition, leaving us with the worst pupil teacher ratios in Scotland, removing school transport and causing the worst teacher morale in living memory they intend to continue wielding the knife.

These unqualified staff will work on subjects like citizenship, better health, sport and cultural activity. As far as I'm aware these things already form part of the learning experience in our primary schools so what is this really about? At the Labour Group meeting where these proposals were put £1.2 million of savings was mentioned: not by me I hasten to add; it was said by Mr. Naylor the Director of Education for Renfrewshire Council.

Claiming to improve education by sacking 60 teachers and bringing in unqualified sessional workers is the most bizarre suggestion I have heard since Cllr. McCartin Libdem leader stated in a letter to the Glasgow Herald that our music students would benefit once the SNP / Libdem coalition cut their music tuition in half. That is a true statement, from the woman who is deputy council leader and convener of social work services.

This is about cuts, not improving our children's education. The SNP/Libdem administration on Renfrewshire Council are morphing into a version of the Tory/Libdem Government at Westminster, they clearly share the Governments enthusiasm for vicious cuts to services and they also share their determination to make the most disadvantaged pay the price. It is another example of the contempt that the SNP/Libdem administration have for the electorate; compounded by their arrogant attempts to convince us otherwise.

59 comments:

Oakwood said...

My brother in law is a member of the parent council in a Renfrewshire school and were given a presentation by the head teacher regarding the changes to staffing in general.

He says the HT was a absolutely clear in that the changes in staffing, the school structure etc. etc. it was about saving money (no more no less) and not for the educational benefit of the children in our schools

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Oakwood on THE SNP/LIBDEM EDUCATIONAL VANDALISM IN RENFREWSHI... at 14:10

I salute the head teacher, that is a dangerous statement to make and would not endear him to educational officers and SNP/Libdem councillors who are saying that these proposals will benefit the children. The head is of course right it’s about cuts nothing else. What are the chances of the council persuading the teachers, parents and public of their position? I think their proposals are not only untenable but they are also a gross and arrogant insult to the electorate “we will sack 60 teachers and replace them with unqualified sessional staff and the children will benefit from this” they are without any shame.

Anonymous said...

Happy New Year Terry,

It's been a while since I have been on your educational site.
The wife and I always have a good laugh when you call Mrs Lorraine Cameron a "Convenor of Education"
We remember her as the barmaid and quiz master at the Courtyard and at the same time she also doubled a quiz master in St Peters Men's Club on a Thursday and Karaoke singer on a Monday night, maybe she could do a duet with Vagner from the
X Factor!

I think she should stick to these duties which she knows best and let someone more talented do the job as "Education Convenor".

What next, will she be made Council Leader once Mr McKay leaves his post! The mind boggles.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on THE SNP/LIBDEM EDUCATIONAL VANDALISM IN RENFREWSHI... at 16:50

Ms. Cameron is clearly a multi talented lady unfortunately for the schoolchildren her talents do not stretch as far as Convener of Education.

Ronnie said...

I see the LABOUR COUNCIL in North Lanarkshire have also cut school transport making it a 3 mile qualification for secondary schools.

I am sure that you must be outraged Terry and I hope that you would condemn your own party for in the same way that you have condemned Renfrewshire council for doing the same thing.

Ronnie said...

What 's this Terry. LABOUR CONTROLLED North Lanarkshire Council are to cut 600 council jobs and get this. They cannot guarantee that there will be no compulsory redundancies.

Surely this cannot be a LABOUR council?

Oh yes it is!!

N.B. as your a bit of a panto character I am expecting you to come back with Oh no it's not!

Ronnie said...

My God it gets better and better.

LABOUR CONTROLLED North Lanarkshire Council are now to charge students for their music tuition which was previously free.

Surely this cannot be Labour, the party of the people?

Oh yes it is!!!

Watch out - he's behind you.

Ronnie said...

Oh and yet another one.

LABOUR CONTROLLED North Lanarkshire Council are to completly cut their community warden service!

This has to be a joke you say.

It's no joke folks. I'ts just more LABOUR cuts.

The new Labour election slogan will be.

LABOUR - We've got bigger scissors than you!

Ronnie said...

I see that LABOUR CONTROLLED Glasgow City Council are going to make a saving of 13 Million Pounds next year.

It seems that they are going to are going to acheive this by axing the care budgets of people with physical and learning disabilities.

LABOUR - say no more!

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Cllr Terry Kelly said...
The SNP idiot Ronnie has made what he probably thinks is a major contribution to political debate by trawling the newspapers to find wrongdoing by Labour Councils, the main reason for this is of course to deflect criticism away from the SNP/Libdem coalition in Renfrewshire. He makes reference to 5 different issues but not surprisingly makes no attempt to analyse why these things are happening: the reason?

There are 2. 1/ he is thick and 2/ he supports the parties responsible for the problems – The Tories: the Libdems and his own SNP.

The following items are listed as proposed cuts by Labour councils by this cretin; he misses out a bit of information about them: I will explain what later.

This is what passes for logic with Ronnie and the SNP. These apply to different labour Councils although I can’t find evidence that these decisions have actually been made.

Labour are cutting £13,5m from the needy services.
Labour are cutting school transport by reducing eligibility from 2 to 3 miles.
Labour to cut 600 jobs with no guarantees on compulsory redundancies.
Labour to charge for music tuition.
Labour to cut the community Warden Service.

The information he misses out is that all of these things were provided by Labour councils and of course he forgets to mention why this is happening i.e. who is it that’s responsible?

Perhaps Ronnie you should reflect on the old saying “there is no such thing as a free lunch” and apply it to the SNP con trick of a council tax freeze, they lied to the people when they said this could be done without services suffering and now they are.
These progressive policies were all Labours and they are now under attack by a combination of Tory, Libdem and SNP cuts. Renfrewshire people will remember and if they don’t we will remind them of Council leader Derek Mackay’s words when he refused to condemn the Tory/Libdem’S savage budget.

“THE CUTS ARE ABOUT RIGHT” (DEREK MACKAY SNP)

Thursday, January 06, 2011 5:19:00 PM

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Cllr Terry Kelly said...
The SNP idiot Ronnie has made what he probably thinks is a major contribution to political debate by trawling the newspapers to find wrongdoing by Labour Councils, the main reason for this is of course to deflect criticism away from the SNP/Libdem coalition in Renfrewshire. He makes reference to 5 different issues but not surprisingly makes no attempt to analyse why these things are happening: the reason?

There are 2. 1/ he is thick and 2/ he supports the parties responsible for the problems – The Tories: the Libdems and his own SNP.

The following items are listed as proposed cuts by Labour councils by this cretin; he misses out a bit of information about them: I will explain what later.

This is what passes for logic with Ronnie and the SNP. These apply to different labour Councils although I can’t find evidence that these decisions have actually been made.

Labour are cutting £13,5m from the needy services.
Labour are cutting school transport by reducing eligibility from 2 to 3 miles.
Labour to cut 600 jobs with no guarantees on compulsory redundancies.
Labour to charge for music tuition.
Labour to cut the community Warden Service.

The information he misses out is that all of these things were provided by Labour councils and of course he forgets to mention why this is happening i.e. who is it that’s responsible?

Perhaps Ronnie you should reflect on the old saying “there is no such thing as a free lunch” and apply it to the SNP con trick of a council tax freeze, they lied to the people when they said this could be done without services suffering and now they are.
These progressive policies were all Labours and they are now under attack by a combination of Tory, Libdem and SNP cuts. Renfrewshire people will remember and if they don’t we will remind them of Council leader Derek Mackay’s words when he refused to condemn the Tory/Libdem’S savage budget.

“THE CUTS ARE ABOUT RIGHT” (DEREK MACKAY SNP)

Thursday, January 06, 2011 5:19:00 PM

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Cllr Terry Kelly said...
The SNP idiot Ronnie has made what he probably thinks is a major contribution to political debate by trawling the newspapers to find wrongdoing by Labour Councils, the main reason for this is of course to deflect criticism away from the SNP/Libdem coalition in Renfrewshire. He makes reference to 5 different issues but not surprisingly makes no attempt to analyse why these things are happening: the reason?

There are 2. 1/ he is thick and 2/ he supports the parties responsible for the problems – The Tories: the Libdems and his own SNP.

The following items are listed as proposed cuts by Labour councils by this cretin; he misses out a bit of information about them: I will explain what later.

This is what passes for logic with Ronnie and the SNP. These apply to different labour Councils although I can’t find evidence that these decisions have actually been made.

Labour are cutting £13,5m from the needy services.
Labour are cutting school transport by reducing eligibility from 2 to 3 miles.
Labour to cut 600 jobs with no guarantees on compulsory redundancies.
Labour to charge for music tuition.
Labour to cut the community Warden Service.

The information he misses out is that all of these things were provided by Labour councils and of course he forgets to mention why this is happening i.e. who is it that’s responsible?

Perhaps Ronnie you should reflect on the old saying “there is no such thing as a free lunch” and apply it to the SNP con trick of a council tax freeze, they lied to the people when they said this could be done without services suffering and now they are.
These progressive policies were all Labours and they are now under attack by a combination of Tory, Libdem and SNP cuts. Renfrewshire people will remember and if they don’t we will remind them of Council leader Derek Mackay’s words when he refused to condemn the Tory/Libdem’S savage budget.

“THE CUTS ARE ABOUT RIGHT” (DEREK MACKAY SNP)

Thursday, January 06, 2011 5:19:00 PM

Ben Dover said...

leave off the sauce terry you are repeating your self!! So are labour not cutting all these things in North Lanarkshire then?? you would have to raise council tax by an awful lot to keep them all. I thought the cuts were because we are in a Labour caused recession?? If Renfrewshire have a funding gap of £25 million, would you raise Council tax by 20-25% if you get back in ? Seems strange all coucils are lookinging at making similar cuts whatever party are in adminisration. Lets hop you do get back in Terry as you wouldnt make any cuts , in fact you are also going to reinstate everything that has been cut! Have you got a money tree that we don't know about!!!!!!

Ronnie said...

Eh!!!

You have not answered anything!

LABOUR are cutting the same things as other councils and even worse they are now targeting people with Learning and physical disabilities.

I don't see this happening in Renfrewshire!!!

LABOUR - we will cut the needy without even thinking about it. !!

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Ben Dover on THE SNP/LIBDEM EDUCATIONAL VANDALISM IN RENFREWSHI... at 17:56

“I thought the cuts were because we are in a Labour caused recession??”

I will accept that Labour caused this recession if you explain to me who caused the recession in America, Germany, Ireland, Spain, Greece, Iceland, Portugal etc. etc. and while you are at it explain why they all happened at the same time, have you ever given that any thought, is it a coincidence, or down to your ignorance or just laziness?
The Council Tax Freeze was a con and started damaging services as soon as they brought it in but by far the most damage being done and still to be done is by the Government cuts. Government cuts that the SNP in Renfrewshire supported when Derek Mackay said at a public council meeting “the cuts are about right” (Derek Mackay SNP)

You people really are a bunch of useless chancers, try a real argument for as change, do some research.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Ronnie on THE SNP/LIBDEM EDUCATIONAL VANDALISM IN RENFREWSHI... at 18:55

You are either too lazy to do the work or you are a liar: probably both. The cuts you refer to in Glasgow of £13.5m are as a result of John Swinney hitting Glasgow with an additional cut of that exact amount. Does the SNP Government have any responsibility for these cuts, have you even bothered to do any checking?

“LABOUR are even worse they are now targeting people with Learning and physical disabilities” sophisticated debate eh? Where did that come from?
Perhaps they should give their best paid officers a rise of 23% while making cuts maybe that would help just like the SNP did in Renfrewshire.

Mike Litors said...

I think Labour caused all the chaos in those countries too. Can you explain how you are going to pay for reinstating everything and not making cuts as I really want to vote for you but just need to explain it to my friends so they will vote for you too.
You didnt answer Bens questions about North Lanarkshire?

Ronnie said...

Actually the LABOUR CONTROLLED Council in Glasgow pay their officers higher wages than anyone in the land.

Their chief executive takes home a total renumeration of over of over £178000 (one of the highest paid officers in the UK) and yet this Labour controlled council sees fit to take away 13 million pounds of funding from people with physical.
and learning difficulties.
How low can you go???

Only these Labour limbo dancers can get down that far!!

Scumbags

Audrey said...

Don't see any real answers to Ronnie's comment other than to try and shift the blame to the SNP.

I'm afraid that this doesn't wash though as all councils are in the same boat with regard to funding cuts and council tax freeze and yet I don't see any other councils attacking those with physical and learning difficulties with the exception of Labour.

This is shameful.

It seems your own party (where they are in power) are making bigger cuts than anyone else)

Charging for music tuition.

Didn't you create a massive hoo-ha and condemn the SNP for this when they were only proposing to cut it in half.

Do I have to regurgitate your own comments and give you a big red faced beamer!!!

It is a good job you are not standing again. Go out on a very embarrassing low Terry!!!

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Audrey on THE SNP/LIBDEM EDUCATIONAL VANDALISM IN RENFREWSHI... at 10:24

“all councils are in the same boat with regard to funding cuts and council tax freeze”
These are cuts caused by the SNP council tax freeze and the Westminster Govt. cuts which the SNP in Renfrewswhire refused to condemn.

“I don't see any other council attacking those with physical and learning difficulties with the exception of Labour”
I have looked for evidence of this specific accusation and can’t find any but: you say you can’t see any other council doing this which means you haven’t looked a Renfrewshire or you are telling lies.

“Do I have to regurgitate your own comments”
Be my guest, you will find that the SNP music cuts came before the tax freeze and the Tory/Libdem/SNP Govt. cuts.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Ronnie on THE SNP/LIBDEM EDUCATIONAL VANDALISM IN RENFREWSHI... at 10:16

The £13m you refer to was taken away by the SNP Govt. not the Labour controlled council and what Glasgow Council pays it’s officers is nothing to do with Renfrewshire, that’s just a pathetic smoke screen, the facts are that the SNP amid all these cuts still awarded it’s senior officers a 23% wage rise. I’ll ask you again to explain in detail your accusation about targeting people with physical and learning difficulties. I also asked you about your lies regarding me not printing your comments have you forgotten that, what did I refuse to print?
When are you going to the newspapers with this accusation, can we expect to see the story soon , another “Braveheart” aren’t you.

Anonymous said...

"Be my guest, you will find that the SNP music cuts came before the tax freeze and the Tory/Libdem/SNP Govt. cuts."

Once again you are found out to be a shameless liar.

The council tax freeze came into effect on 3rd March 2008, however, the decision had been taken well before that.

The music tuition cut was proposed in the budget of Feb 2009 almost a year later

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on THE SNP/LIBDEM EDUCATIONAL VANDALISM IN RENFREWSHI... at 15:32

Music tuition cuts were before the Govt. cuts and after the tax freeze because by then they knew that no rise in council tax meant cuts to services. My mistake but my point is still valid council tax freeze means service cuts.

The point is that Govt. cuts and SNP tax freezes damage front line services you seem to be incapable of answering that.

Ronnie said...

The Glasgow budget was cut by the same percentage as all other councils who adopted the council tax freeze.

I should also be noted that Glasgow Council already receives 23% per head extra above the national average. I presume that most of this funds the exorbitant salaries that they pay their Chief Exec and Council officers.

The difference is that LABOUR CONTROLLED Glasgow Council are choosing to take the money away from people with physical and learning difficulties instead of making the savings elsewhere such as modest salary cuts for grossly overpaid people.

I can see no evidence that any other council are attacking this extremely vulnerable group of people.

It is utterly shameless.

Labour - we cut deeper!

Anonymous said...

You want to raise Council Tax. Any idea by how much ?? I think we should know - even a rough idea. Does Council Tax not raise less than 20% of Council's income ?? So to fund some of the schemes you ask for and to restore the cuts in budgets the tax raise would have to be around 30-40%

Billy said...

Actually Terry - The country is in a shambles because Labour has lumbered us with a massive £4.8 Trillion of debt.

The country is bankrupt because of your party, Labour. No one else. The cuts that are being made are not even going to dent the interest on this debt and because of that the debt is going to reach £10 Trillon by 2014.

Aye - Nothing to do with Labour eh!

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

“I think Labour caused all the chaos in those countries too”
Can you explain how Labour caused the recession in America, Greece, Spain, Ireland etc.

“Can you explain how you are going to pay for reinstating everything”
No incoming Government or council can claim to reinstate everything and I will explain why to you, perhaps you can consider this and work it out for yourself. To demolish a school costs a couple of hundred thousand pounds while to rebuild it takes approx. £7m for a typical primary, is that a help to you?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Ronnie on THE SNP/LIBDEM EDUCATIONAL VANDALISM IN RENFREWSHI... on 08/01/11

The SNP Govt. came back after the settlement and hit Glasgow with another cut of £13.5 m. I have asked several times for details of Glasgow deliberately and specifically targeting those with physical and learning difficulties and you have ignored the request I can only assume that you are a liar.

The use of vulnerable people as political pawns by the SNP however does not surprise me.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on THE SNP/LIBDEM EDUCATIONAL VANDALISM IN RENFREWSHI... on 08/01/11

“So to fund some of the schemes you ask for”
What schemes are these?
I have never claimed that the council tax was responsible for all the cuts either you are a liar or stupid. The freezing of the council tax means that services will suffer: let me try to explain that for you; council tax pays for services right? costs go up each year right? no rise in council tax means that the rising costs can’t be met right? services will suffer then right? is any of this getting through?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Billy on THE SNP/LIBDEM EDUCATIONAL VANDALISM IN RENFREWSHI... at 13:36

I often wonder when I am contacted by cretins like you Billy if Brigadoon is real and not a fairy story. Unfortunately Billy you struggle to admit to yourself that you live in Scotland/Britain and that Scotland/Britain is part of this big place called the planet Earth. When problems arise such as a Global economic crisis (it was in all the papers at the time check it out) Scotland/Britain is not immune.

When you read about all these countries on the planet Earth(remember that place Billy) having the same problem: described as an international financial meltdown and all having it at the same time, some people (not you of course) tend to think that something is happening that is not peculiar to Scotland or Britain.
Have you ever thought about that, that’s probably a silly question to ask you Billy isn’t it?

Billy said...

You are showing your ignorance again Terry.

The £4.8 Trillion did not arise out of the recession, that came late in your party's reign. Labour borrowed another £2 Billion to fight the recession - the other £4.6 Trillion was a result of Labour's reckless running of the economy with massive borrowing that has led to this country's bankruptcy.

That is why the cuts are having to be made - nothing to do with the recession. Labours years of running the country spending all that money we did not have is coming back to roost. And Labour's answer is even more debt!

Ronnie said...

"let me try to explain that for you; council tax pays for services right? costs go up each year right? no rise in council tax means that the rising costs can’t be met right? "

Here is an interesting set of statistics for Renfrewshire Council during the period that Labour were in power.

YEAR LABOUR COUNC. AV.INFLATION
TAX RISE RATE

2000 8.05% 0.785%
2001 5.9% 1.23%
2002 5.05% 1.26%
2003 5.01% 1.36%
2004 5.18% 1.34%
2005 5.06% 2.04%
2006 4.82% 2.33%

The inflation rates shown are the annual average for the year prior to the Labour Council Tax rise.

This shows up the gross overspending(a traditional Labour policy)that took place during that period. It is unbeleivable that in one particular year the Labour Council tax rise was over 10 TIMES the rate of inflation and only in the run up to the election did you manage to restrict yourselves to a rise of just over twice the rate of inflation. Luckily this didn't fool the voters and you didn't get back into power.

It is only over the last 4 years since Labour were kicked out that homeowners have had some respite from this savage robbery that was putting many people(myself included)on the verge of losing their homes.

The compounded effect of these increases was that over a period of 7 years the council tax rose by 46% under - Guess Who?

LABOUR - THE FINANCIAL VANDALS

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Ronnie on THE SNP/LIBDEM EDUCATIONAL VANDALISM IN RENFREWSHI... at 09:17

You are clearly incapable of addressing the issue; taxes are a good thing, they ensure that people who are not so well off don’t get left to fend for themselves. If you have a tax freeze then services will suffer the SNP do not accept that and that makes them liars. What they should be telling people is that there is good news and bad news the good news is a tax freeze the bad news is there will be less teachers, wardens and bin collections etc. etc. as a consequence of that tax freeze, anyone who tries to pretend otherwise is a liar. It’s not rocket science and your smokescreen of figures and percentages does not hide the facts.

“It is only over the last 4 years since Labour were kicked out”

The result was Labour 17 seats and the SNP 17 seats with Labour taking the majority of the popular vote. Describing this as the people kicking Labour out is rather desperate stuff and exposes you as a complete clown.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Billy on THE SNP/LIBDEM EDUCATIONAL VANDALISM IN RENFREWSHI... on 09/01/11

Billy repeating yourself ‘ad nauseam’ does not constitute an argument. I am however encouraged to see you use terms like “the recession” this suggests hopefully that you might be rethinking whether you do in fact live on the Planet Earth after all.

Ronnie said...

When were there less bin collections Terry?

A far as I can see there are still the same number of collections i.e. once a week!

The only difference is that people are expected to act responsibly towards the environment and sort their rubbish for recycling.

This is surely a very positive and responsible thing to do or are you opposed to helping the environment?

This is twice on this particular thread that you have been caught out telling lies about cuts in Renfrewshire!!

Liar liar pants on fire!!

Anonymous said...

I see the council have persuaded retailers Wilkinsons to take over the Littlewoods site which closed downwhilst Labour were in negligence - sorry I mean power.

This together with the development of the Arnotts site and the Westpoint development are surely huge steps towards the regeneration of Paisley Centre.

Just think what Paisley Centre might have been like by now if Labour hadn't neglected it so badly.

Never mind at least the current council administration care about the future of the town!!

Anonymous said...

terry, billy will not be landing on earth anytime soon.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Ronnie on THE SNP/LIBDEM EDUCATIONAL VANDALISM IN RENFREWSHI... on 10/01/11

Well I could have said less Libraries, road repairs, classroom assistants, pensioners day trips, swimming pools, music tuition, school busses as I was of course giving examples, did these cuts take place? this begs the question, just how stupid are you Ronnie?

Still I suppose it represents progress of a kind that you have accepted that the SNP Council Tax Freeze has contributed to cuts in teachers and wardens etc.

Ronnie said...

Where are there less swimming pools Terry.
As far as I am aware they are opening 2 new pools and closing 2 pools.
Nett effect - the exact same number of pools.
You have now been caught lying 3 times on this thread.

Also can you please show me where I have accepted the statement that you made in your last post on this thread.
Because I have not commented on something doesn't mean that I have accepted it.
Now you've been caught lying 4 times on this thread.

It reaaly does appear that you have a problem with telling the truth. I know this is a bit of a Labour trait but you really should try better.

I'll converse with you further when your nose has shrunk.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on THE SNP/LIBDEM EDUCATIONAL VANDALISM IN RENFREWSHI... on 10/01/11

Can you tell me how Labour caused the demise of Littlewoods, Arnotts and the Paisley Centre? The current administration care more about paying pop stars to have their picture taken with them than anything else.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on THE SNP/LIBDEM EDUCATIONAL VANDALISM IN RENFREWSHI... on 10/01/11

I don’t want to denigrate Billy any more he does enough of that himself, I am on a mission to get him to join the human race.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Ronnie on THE SNP/LIBDEM EDUCATIONAL VANDALISM IN RENFREWSHI... on 11/01/11

You continue to demonstrate that you are either a pathetic liar or completely thick. Do tax freezes damage services? Try twisting that one: can I put the question any simpler for you?
As far as calling me a liar is concerned I invite you to come and meet me in public and repeat that in front of witnesses and we will take it from there. I call you a liar with impunity because you are a snivelling nationalist coward who hides behind anonymity. I’m not difficult to find: how about it? If I’m a liar then meet me and say so, I think I can hear the sound of feet running away though.

Patrick said...

It is a clear cut case that you have been telling lies here Terry!

All of that facts that Ronnie has stated are verifiable with a simple internet search.

1. You lied about the timing of the proposed music tuition cuts.

2. You lied when you said that there were fewer bin collections as it clear there is not.

3. You lied when you said there were fewer swimming pools as it is also clear there is not.

4. You lied when you stated that Ronnie had "accepted that the SNP Council Tax Freeze has contributed to cuts in teachers and wardens etc." I have trawled through all of his comments and cannot see where he has said this.

In fact I cannot find anything untruthful in any of Ronnie's comments and yet you call him a liar. This another lie from you.

All this and on one thread too.

How can anyone believe anything that you say as you are such a stranger to the truth?

Perhaps you should be joining the Lie-bour Party. I think that would be more appropriate.

Patrick Fitzsimmons

pauline said...

Managing to entice Wilkinsons into the high street is a terrific acheivement.

It is a great shop that I visit a lot, however, I currently have to travel to Clydebank to do so.

Having it on my doorstep will be great and I am sure that it will attract other retailers into the town and return prosperity to the area.

With the Arnotts redevelopment underway and the new Tesco superstore coming to the town it is really good news for Paisley.

Well done Renfrewshire Council for your forward thinking!

pauline (with a small p)

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

I don’t believe you when you say that you travel to Clydebank because you want to shop at Wilkinsons that’s a pretty stupid thing to say and an even more stupid thing to do. If you think that the SNP / Libdem council take any credit for Wilkinsons, Arnotts or the Tesco store which I along with other Labour cllrs. supported you are either ignorant of what goes on are unable to follow politics.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

Well Patrick let me extend the same offer to you.
“It is a clear cut case that you have been telling lies here Terry!”
If you have any confidence in this comment or indeed an ounce of courage come and see me and we will pursue the matter with witnesses present.
I have given you lot enough rope and you will now be subjected to the usual rules. Anyone who wishes to make accusations against anyone else including me on this site must identify themselves and let me or any other accused react as they see fit, what are you afraid of?
Either do it properly or you will not be printed and I will of course tell readers when you write and, why you are not being printed is that fair?

Anonymous said...

Terry, could you print an updated version of my earlier post, don't worry about Kenny, oops sorry, I mean Ronnie and his chit chat, and we’ve heard it all before.



Look at what is happening in Renfrewshire; moves are now complete, the Boay McKay (The King in waiting) gets a first or second place on the Nats West of Scotland list.

He has received assistance in this operation by a little odious creature called Dave McCartney; checks out his Face book page, if you are constipated, really check out his page. Dave wishes, and wants see his future as an MSP in Edinburgh; he can't make a move on Del Boay, as he would be shot down in flames, so he got a job as Dr Bill Wilson’s (Now Off the West of Scotland List) Office Manager now he has succeeded in unseating him. The second problem is how will Gil Patterson (WHO) re-act and one must not forget Stuart McMillan (WHO) whom enjoys all the trappings of being an MSP, lastly Stewart Maxwell house will be looking to remain in the top place in these rankings.

Add the self assured Kenny Gibson to the mix and what you get is a bunch of non entities fighting in a Wilkinson’s bag!

What will be the end result, I will make a prediction.

The Boay McKay 1st or second on the list.
Kenny Gibson 2nd or 3rd on list, although he will fight to keep his first past the post seat.

Dr Bill Wilson is out, with the help of the Judas who works in his office.
Gil Patterson 3rd or 4th on the list, Stuart Maxwell house, 3rd or 4the on the list.
Stuart McMillan out, may get a job along with McCartney in McKay’s office, Del Boay will need more staff if he receives a cabinet post.

Del Boay will want to keep McCartney close as he knows that Dave has made it clear to the members of Paisley South SNP that he wants a seat in Edinburgh.

Dave is very close to the Nats Lorraine Cameron, who he feels understands his complex needs and desires, certainly if his wish came true, Ms Cameron would be his fulltime Office Manager.

In conclusion, remember where you read this first.

Next week, Iain Nicholson in "My journey back to the top" And wee Kenny McLaren "My journey as a wee ginger".

Lastly, with regards to Wilkinson’s coming to Paisley, don't expect to see McKay shopping there, he wouldn't be seen shopping in that sort of down market establishment, it's more likely that you will see Cameron, Lawson and Nicholson shop there!

Anonymous said...

credit where due terry the SNP said they would reduce class sizes. what they did not say was that it would be by having less teachers

pauline said...

I do also go to other shops when I go to Clydebank, however, the main reason for going there is Wilkinsons which is a great shop.
To call me stupid for doing so is very insulting and contemptuous and is indeed an unprovoked attack.
All I did was cogratulate the council for bringing business to the town centre and you see fit call me stupid.

Is this because I am a woman.

I do recall that you have previous for this type of thing.

Didn't you state at one time that "all women are thick."

I think an apology is in order Councillor.

pauline

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By pauline on THE SNP/LIBDEM EDUCATIONAL VANDALISM IN RENFREWSHI... at 12:51

Pauline not all women are thick or all men but going by what you write you certainly are. You said you went to Clydebank to shop at Wilkinsons and I simply said I don’t believe you, you are now saying something different. You are now saying you shop at Wilkinsons when you visit Clydebank: perhaps you need to learn how to explain yourself better.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on THE SNP/LIBDEM EDUCATIONAL VANDALISM IN RENFREWSHI... on 12/01/11

Sacking 60 primary teachers will enhance the education of the children according to Cllr. Cameron of the SNP who incredibly enough is education convener. It begs a rather obvious question, why not sack 120 and double the benefit to the children or 240 etc. etc.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By Anonymous on THE SNP/LIBDEM EDUCATIONAL VANDALISM IN RENFREWSHI... on 12/01/11

Ronnie and Patrick don’t seem to keen to put their money where their mouths are, typical nationalist cowards.
All these other ferrets fighting in the SNP sack are nauseating characters and quite funny in a kind if black humour way. They are heading for an electoral storm particularly since slithering into bed with the flea infested Libdems. People will look at them and see the Tories just like years ago when they brought us Thatcher.

Anonymous said...

Wakey Wakey Billy & Richard,

The SNP list results were annouced four months ago

http://www.snp.org/node/17336

mother abigail said...

Where has it been stated the that 60 teachers will be sacked.

It have read the council paper and it doesn't say this.
It does say that they will lose the posts through voluntry redundancies which is what is happening in all walks of life.

I can see nothing that teachers wiull be sacked or face compulsory redundancy.

Perhaps you can en;ighten me to the truth if you understand what truth is?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By mother abigail on THE SNP/LIBDEM EDUCATIONAL VANDALISM IN RENFREWSHI... on 13/01/11

This is nothing more than an attempt to evade the issue by being pedantic. I sat through a 2 hour debate yesterday on this issue where words like sacking and axing etc. were used constantly and not one word of correction was heard, not from the 10 who voted for the cuts including the Convener of Education Cllr. Cameron or indeed from the director of education Robert Naylor.

You need to give it a bit more thought you are too obvious, are you the best the SNP can come up with?

mother abigail said...

Did any council officers or anyone from the SNP or Lib Dems use the words "sack" "sacking" or "axing"

I don't think so but please correct me if i'm wrong

mother abigail said...

In fact perhaps you could clarify something for me Councillor in the interest of truth.

Can you tell me if the paper for this proposal mentions anything about sacking/axing of teachers or any compulsory redundancies?

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By mother abigail on THE SNP/LIBDEM EDUCATIONAL VANDALISM IN RENFREWSHI... on 14/01/11

No one complained about the use of the word sacking not even the author of the report or the education convener.

You can try whatever diversion you like but the fact remains that children in Renfrewshire Primaries will lose 2.5 hrs contact time with a qualified teacher and spend that time with an unqualified teacher. That is another SNP betrayal.

Cllr Terry Kelly said...

By mother abigail on THE SNP/LIBDEM EDUCATIONAL VANDALISM IN RENFREWSHI... on 14/01/11

You have no interest in truth whatsoever you are trying to cause a diversion because you know you can’t justify these vicious proposals. You SNP/Libdem people are a bunch of frauds without an ounce of courage or intelligence to allow you to face the council officers who patronise you.