A little while ago I gave my opinion about the Govt. attacks on so called benefit cheats. I stated that this high profile attack on the tiny number of benefit cheats was a diversion to get the population looking the other way while the massive fraudsters who dodge paying tax get away with billions of pounds. Cameron says while polishing his knuckle duster things which are guaranteed to have the SUN and the DAILY MAIL salivating and every lounge bar Alf Garnett in the land licking his lips in anticipation. “£1.5bn is being stolen from taxpayers” says Dave “it’s unacceptable” "It's quite wrong that there are people in our society who will behave like this. But we will not shrug our shoulders and let them get away with it any longer." He doesn’t mean them all though; I’ll come back to that; you can hear the retired cretinous old colonels in their Whitehall clubs harrumphing in support.
Tax fraud perpetrated by the Tories friends costs the country an estimated £95bn a year while benefit fraud costs £1.5bn per year! Dave’s remarks on this? Let me know if you can find any. Meanwhile Dave has appointed Sir Philip Green to carry out an external review of public spending cuts; this guy paid himself a tax-free dividend of £1.2bn which found its way to his Monaco-resident wife’s bank account, in order to avoid UK Treasury attention. A tax saving to Sir Philip or a “nice little earner” as he would no doubt call it of £300m. “All in this together” that’s another one of Dave’s. ‘Barrow Boy’ Green gladly supported the Tory pre. Election promise to reduce tax and was met with the following response from guess who?
"I have no time for billionaire tax dodgers who step off the plane from their tax havens into the country where they make their money and have the effrontery to tell us how to vote and how to run our tax policies. If some of them came onshore and paid their taxes it would make a useful dent in the budget deficit." Gordon Brown? Alistair Darling?Jim Sheridan? Me? No it was none other than Vince Cable the man who promised to bring Libdem values to the coalition, yes he really did use the phrase Libdem values.
And finally, no reference to benefit fraud could ever be complete without mention of the world leaders in the field; that dysfunctional family of scroungers who soak us for millions of pounds every year; The Windsors; over the years this workshy bunch of simpletons have taken more in benefits than an army of benefit cheats could ever have done. Prince Charles for instance works a 7 hour week and gets paid £2,000 an hour paid for by us while we also pay £180,000 for paper clips envelopes and pencils as well. Dave doesn’t include them or the tax dodging millionaires when he refers to us “ALL BEING IN THIS TOGETHER” does he? Dave’s favourite gear is reverse; at speed; all the way back to the glorious Thatcher years; I bet all those who voted Libdem are really proud of themselves; can anyone ever bring themselves to vote for them again? and remember they are cheek by jowel with the SNP in Renfrewshire Council, some people have no shame have they?
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Terry dear boy,
What have you/your massive political intellect done to bring the feeble SNPylib council to their knees? i heard even your glorious leader!? Ian MacMillan got the bums rush for an MSP seat. shows you how far the Labour group have plummeted even amongst your own dwindling membership.
"while the massive fraudsters who dodge paying tax get away with billions of pounds."
Yes, 'fraudsters' that were encouraged and sustained by the previous UK govt.
Of course, Labour are the party that is "intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich" and, it seems, intensely relaxed about Russian oligarchs paying little or no tax.
Thatcherite parties eh? -disgusting.
By Anonymous on .. on 27/08/10
You make two points which I will try to explain to you but; the nature of the points you make me fear that I will be wasting my time but here goes anyway.
1/ With reference to bringing the SNP/Libdem administration to its knees; I think I will try to get you to work it out for yourself by offering you this fact. Prior to May. 2007 Renfrewshire Council was led by a Labour administration for 27 years and we never lost a single vote – go figure.
2/ Labour is in a position unlike the SNP/Libdems to choose from a number of excellent candidates when it comes to selecting someone to fight an election. The SNP and Libdems by contrast have to regurgitate the same bunch of nonentities like Adam, Lawson, Mitchell, Doig etc. all SNP multiple failures and of course the biggest most useless failure of all comes from the Libdems, big chief Eileen McCartin who may well hold some kind of record as the most defeated parliamentary candidate ever. This is a sign of strength for labour and an embarrassing sign of weakness for the SNP / Libdems.
By Dan Ferguson on 28/08/10
Whoever the person is being attacked now by these cowards is in the same position as me, they are afraid of him/her as usual.
By Anonymous on on 28/08/10
“Of course, Labour are the party that is "intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich"”
That’s a lie and you know it.
There are course of some of us who “are in this together” but that doesn’t include spineless rubbish like you scuttling around from one hiding place to another, I’ll bet the Tories are real scared of you right?
Now Now Terry, You are such a stranger to the truth that lies just role out. Or is it just the fantasist world you now inhabit.
A quick google and here we have Labour losing votes on appointment of Lord Provost, one Nancy Allison.
"What have you/your massive political intellect done to bring the feeble SNPylib council to their knees?"
Go on, surprise us and answer 'A' question.
Terry,
Has it ever occurred to you that all you do is feed your ego? You spout and rant old fashioned, out dated stereotypical mindset that Alf Garnett would be proud of it. You are like a 70's sitcom.
Haven't you sucked in any new thinking over the past 30 years? Even by osmosis and not intentional?
“Of course, Labour are the party that is "intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich"”
That’s a lie and you know it.
Sorry, to but in, but a lie?
Peter Mandelson famously stated that New Labour "were intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich, so long as they pay their taxes"
The 2nd part is often missed when quoted, however when asked about it in a Guardian interview....
"Does Mandelson regret now saying that "we are intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich"?
"I was always making the point," he says, "that New Labour was not about envy and spite toward those who were well off. It was very important to say it and to demonstrate it, but I always added 'as long as people pay their taxes'."
It's anything but a lie!
By Jim on at 11:59
You have got it right except for the point that makes it a lie, he was no more speaking for the Labour Party than does Frank Field when he comes away with the reactionary s***e that he does, either you don’t know that which seems strange or you have your own agenda.
By Anonymous on on 29/08/10
This is meaningless drivel, if this is your best you should consider packing it it in.
Try starting with something that we disagree on and then try to form an argument against me, do you think you could try that?
By Anonymous on on 29/08/10
It would appear that you actually don’t understand what I wrote to you do you? you really are that out of your depth aren’t you? I smell tartan and shortbread here.
"You have got it right except for the point that makes it a lie, he was no more speaking for the Labour Party than does Frank Field when he comes away with the reactionary s***e that he does, either you don’t know that which seems strange or you have your own agenda."
I don't have any agenda on this.
You've labelled a quote from an anonymous caller as a lie...
Unfortunately for you, it's an infamous line from one of the architects of New Labour made whilst he was a minister in the Labour government... (Are you seriously suggesting that he wasn't a representative of the Labour party at that time?)
I think that you may forcing your own agenda in attempting to distance the 2010 Labour party from 'New Labour'... fair play to you, shame more of you didn't try to do something about them when they got you into power... oh... I see!
This is a lot of garbage and you know it, very weak stuff indeed.
"This is a lot of garbage and you know it, very weak stuff indeed."
Top debating skills Terry!!!
The facts are there for anyone who wishes to pursue it. Mandelson made the statement to a group of Californian computer executives in 1998 - he acknowledges so in a letter to the Guardian link here.
That is irefutable, as is Mandelson's position within the Labour party at the time he made the comment.
Bearing in mind that he was a 2 time Cabinet minister for Blair, enobled by Blair and given the EU trade commission as a sop after his 2nd resignation, but still brought back into government by Brown, you'd have to acknowledge that Peter Mandelson was as central a character in the Labour leadership as anyone in the last 15 years.
I don't blame you for trying to distance the party from what he said, but to call the anonymous caller's quote a 'lie' is quite wrong.
By Jim at 08:06
You are now attempting to say that I am denying that Mandelson actually said this which of course I have never done! Top debating skills indeed, as I said very weak.
That fact that you feel the need to repeat this garbage ad nauseam says it all. Trying to suggest that he was speaking for the Labour Party is just pathetic.
You either have your own agenda or you fall into the category of people whom Mandelson targets when he does this stuff, your desperation to land a blow on Labour makes you his gullible target, he simply can’t miss people like you.
"You are now attempting to say that I am denying that Mandelson actually said this which of course I have never done! Top debating skills indeed, as I said very weak. "
I am not trying to say any such thing. I am pointing out the fact that Mandelson was a key figure in the leadership of the Labour party when he made the comment. As far as I'm aware the Labour party have never brought him to task for making the statement and he has never attempted to mitigate it in any way.
This is your opening to point us all to some hard evidence that the Labour party objected to what Mandelson said in it's name and brought him to task for it...
Dong! As a distant church bell rings and the tumbleweed roll past...
The original point was that you called it a lie. It clearly wasn't, you now have egg on your chin...
How would you advise someone else who'd made such a faux pas? Continue to wriggle ungraciously, or concede the point and apologise?
“he acknowledges so in a letter to the Guardian link here.
That is irrefutable”
This is a clear accusation that I am trying to refute the fact that Mandelson said this, you had better start telling the truth; I will not put up with your lies indefinitely.
“I am not trying to say any such thing. I am pointing out the fact that Mandelson was a key figure etc.etc.”
FFS man how many more times are you going to repeat yourself; have you no idea how weak you sound, we all know what he said! We all know what his position was!
“The original point was that you called it a lie”
You are incapable of telling the truth now because you have blundered into a situation and made the mistake of enlisting Mandelson to help you, try to get it right. I said that the implication that Mandelson spoke for the Labour Party was a lie. Have you no shame , you have flogged this horse to death and got nowhere. If you insist in pursuing this further would please consider not going over the same points again, Please?
"we all know what he said! We all know what his position was!"
"I said that the implication that Mandelson spoke for the Labour Party was a lie"
So, if Mandelson, in his position in the leadership of the Labour party didn't speak for the Labour party... Who does?
By Jim at 14:16
Mandelson did what he is very good at he made a deliberately inflammatory comment and then sat back to see what mischief he had caused he knows there are enough gullible people out there to bite no matter what he says.
Some people albeit a dwindling bunch still think there is mileage in it; it is pathetic and no substitute for real political debate.
"What have you/your massive political intellect done to bring the feeble SNPylib council to their knees?"
Want me to answer it for you as you clearly cant or wont?
We all know the answer, dont we?
Terry, why was Mandelson brought back into government so many times? And by two different Prime Ministers?
Solid Gold Terry!
What is clear about this is that you have absolutely no idea about where, when or in what context Mandelson made the original quote. You are further embarrased by the fact that he has continued to assert that the message was absolutely correct.
Given the difference in your respective positions within the party I am much more inclined to believe that you have a stronger grasp of how the Labour party grassroots actually views the world.
I much admire the manner in which you stay loyal to the party banner whislt entirely disassociating yourself from the party leadership.
Hopefully one day, the party leadership will return to it's roots and I can feel comfortable with them.
By Jim at 07:56
“Solid Gold Terry! What is clear about this is that you have absolutely no idea about where, when or in what context Mandelson made the original quote”
Wrong,Wrong,Wrong.
“I much admire the manner in which you stay loyal to the party banner whislt entirely disassociating yourself from the party leadership”
Wrong again; I have never disassociated myself from Brown and never would.
By Anonymous on 31/08/10
Probably because of his charisma, brilliant mind; honesty; good looks; hard work; modesty; popularity etc. apart from these I’m at a total loss to figure it out.
By Anonymous on31/08/10
I think it would be great if you gave us the answer and while you are at it you could explain why the combined efforts of the SNP/Libdems and Conservatives were unable to bring labour to its knees for a period of 27 years, it’s not that difficult, think about it.
Councillor @ 3.16
Kelly, if your praise of Mandelson is sincere, then you're supporting his authority to speak for party.
On the other hand, should you be
attempting irony, you're casting doubts on the judgement of the two Labour Prime Ministers who brought him back into government.
Which is it?
But it's not good blaming the Tories for something New labour put in place is it.
By Anonymous at 08:11
Equally it’s no good writing something if only you can understand it is it.
By Anonymous on 01/09/10
“should you be attempting irony”
You started it!
Fraud? Gordon Brown still collects his salary as an MP, but hasn't been seen in Parliament since the election.
What are we paying him for, Councillor?
By Anonymous on "WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER" (DAVID CAMERON) WHAT... on 07/09/10
I think he has been back in Parliament and if he hadn’t he would not be breaking any law and therefore not guilty of fraud. But if it makes a public spirited citizen like you happy you should report him.
@ 4.49
Brown isn't doing the job we pay him to do, but continues to draw the salary.
Some people have no shame, do they, Terry?
“Brown isn't doing the job we pay him to do”
Why?
@ 6.39
'Why' (isn't the Mad Fifer doing his job as an MP)...Golly Terry.. that's a real poser!
I guess there are one or two in Kirkaldy asking the same thing, but, as an insider, what's your take on the matter?
By Anonymous on 09/09/10
Why do you say he is not doing his job?
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