tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post7506901354846321422..comments2023-05-03T08:42:38.592+00:00Comments on Councillor Terry Kelly: BACK TO TORY POISONCllr Terry Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comBlogger69125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-36644909810666492252007-11-29T21:35:00.000+00:002007-11-29T21:35:00.000+00:00(Darren Wood) 24/11/2007 Nationalists whether the...(Darren Wood) 24/11/2007 Nationalists whether they are the Scottish or British variety see the saying ‘British jobs for British people’ in their own rather sinister way don’t they.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-69675351142306865142007-11-24T17:39:00.000+00:002007-11-24T17:39:00.000+00:00Absolutely agree with Terry on this one.Next thing...Absolutely agree with Terry on this one.<BR/><BR/>Next thing they'll be using that BNP slogan "British jobs for British people"<BR/><BR/>What do you mean someone said it already.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-17229203217265873432007-11-20T17:10:00.000+00:002007-11-20T17:10:00.000+00:00(The Nameless One) 18/11/07 - Well spotted I'm poi...(The Nameless One) 18/11/07 - Well spotted I'm pointing out the level that this debate has sunk to, yours as well.<BR/>Good length, well done.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-51888940290933310742007-11-18T20:07:00.000+00:002007-11-18T20:07:00.000+00:00There is an old playground taunt of "no I'm not, y...There is an old playground taunt of "no I'm not, you are." Unfortunately, Terry, that is the level of your debate. <BR/><BR/>Still too long?The Nameless Libertarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10358775584645387212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-68197407143851876782007-11-16T14:16:00.000+00:002007-11-16T14:16:00.000+00:00(The Nameless One) 14/11/07 " Actually, what I w...(The Nameless One) 14/11/07 " Actually, what I was saying, Terry, is that from your end we can't debate our political ideas rationally or intelligently. From your end, not mine." Oh no it isn't, it's from your end, not mine. You're not getting this are you ?<BR/><BR/>"And I notice that you still fail to back up anything you believe in, or even try to counter my argument, instead resorting to such juvenile tactics as "I win, you lose." It's you who fails to back up - resorts to juvenile etc. etc.<BR/><BR/>"rather than closing down every comment you get on your blog with an ignorant comment." Is accusing me of using 'ignorant comments' not a rather 'ignorant' thing to say ?<BR/><BR/>Still too long.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-91535862318983835942007-11-14T21:19:00.000+00:002007-11-14T21:19:00.000+00:00"I think we have radically different political ide...<I>"I think we have radically different political ideas, and it is a shame that, from your end, we can't debate them intelligently or rationally." I regard that as you saying that you can't win. It's highly subjective and we could all say the same about opponents but, it doesn't make it so.</I><BR/><BR/>Actually, what I was saying, Terry, is that from your end we can’t debate our political ideas rationally or intelligently. From <B>your end</B>, not mine.<BR/><BR/>And I notice that you still fail to back up anything you believe in, or even try to counter my argument, instead resorting to such juvenile tactics as “I win, you lose.”<BR/><BR/><I>"Just a thought, try shortening it, this isn't debating it's typing</I><BR/><BR/>Yeah, fair point, I do type too much. But since we don’t know each other from Adam, typing is how we communicate, Terry. And typing allows us to communicate. And only through communicating can we debate. So it is <B>both</B> typing <B>and</B> debating. <BR/><BR/>I’m open to what you believe in. Try arguing for it, rather than closing down every comment you get on your blog with an ignorant comment.The Nameless Libertarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10358775584645387212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-31116920313367561272007-11-14T17:33:00.000+00:002007-11-14T17:33:00.000+00:00(The Nameless One) 13/11/07 - "I think we have r...(The Nameless One) 13/11/07 - <BR/><BR/>"I think we have radically different political ideas, and it is a shame that, from your end, we can't debate them intelligently or rationally." <BR/><BR/>I regard that as you saying that you can't win. It's highly subjective and we could all say the same about opponents but, it doesn't make it so.<BR/><BR/>Just a thought, try shortening it, this isn't debating it's typing.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-83948670175333347872007-11-13T20:13:00.000+00:002007-11-13T20:13:00.000+00:00Actually, I thought that the Tony Soprano gag was ...Actually, I thought that the Tony Soprano gag was quite original and a lot better than the standard retort of “Alf Garnett”. However wouldn’t your retorts be much more effective if you used a real person? A real racist? A real crooked entrepreneur? There are enough of them out there. What is more effective? Comparing someone to a Dalek, or comparing them to Hitler?<BR/><BR/>And your response, whilst prompt, was not an example of debating. It is a curious mix of the faintly insulting, a wee bit of sarcasm, and a really simple restatement of your argument. That is not debating, except at the level of the playground.<BR/><BR/>So since you haven’t really given me any evidence to the contrary, I am going to reassert my argument. I think whilst you have your beliefs, you do not have the evidence to back those beliefs in. Hence your “debating” style, which seems to constitute insults, sweeping statements and blocking people if they commit the terrible sin of consistently disagreeing with you. If you have the arguments to back up what you say, you should use them. <BR/><BR/>And I don’t subscribe to the view of me good, you bad. For the record, I’m not good, and you’re not bad. Equally, you’re not good and I’m not bad. Life is a little more complicated than that. I think we have radically different political ideas, and it is a shame that, from your end, we can’t debate them intelligently or rationally.The Nameless Libertarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10358775584645387212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-66953336986975415152007-11-13T14:50:00.000+00:002007-11-13T14:50:00.000+00:00(The Nameless One) 12/11/07 - The 'Alf Garnett' ta...(The Nameless One) 12/11/07 - The 'Alf Garnett' taunt seems to have upset you OK. likewise Tony Soprano, you've got me there though I thought they were both real.<BR/><BR/>'withdraw' ? Is it grammar you're on about, don't you understand what I meant ?<BR/>"You cannot cope with debate" this exchange clearly shows different.<BR/>I'm always interested in viewpoints which don't concur with my own as well - what you really mean is ' you are a good guy and I'm a bad guy' that's about your level.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-25266608879528996332007-11-12T16:21:00.000+00:002007-11-12T16:21:00.000+00:00Three comments stick out to me: First of all, when...Three comments stick out to me: <BR/><BR/>First of all, when you reply to Susan Greenblatt, you write "Are you really Alf Garnett?" In reponse to a sober, reasoned statement about terminology. Whether or not you agree, comparing her to Alf Garnett is just plain stupid. It is a playground retort, and does beg the question <B>do you know that Alf Garnett is not real?</B> <BR/><BR/>Secondly, when you write "Are you one of Thatcher's entrepreneurs then, Tony Soprano built his business up from scratch as well" to Jackart. Again, fundamental but important point, you do know Tony Soprano is fictional, don't you? Your arguments and your retorts are so weak that you have to reply on comparing people to fictional characters. <BR/><BR/>And you reveal your true colours in this comment: "There are two ways to deal with it-- I can engage in sterile debate about whether he lied or he can withdraw I've chosen the latter this time."<BR/><BR/>You do realise that if you have chosen for him to withdraw then he hasn't withdrawn at all, don't you? <BR/><BR/>This is the typical attitude of the left. You cannot cope with debate, you cannot cope with even entertaining another viewpoint. Faced with opposition, you retreat into childish insults and then into censorship. You are so afraid that someone might be sharp enough to pick away at one of your deeply held political beliefs and prove you are wrong.<BR/><BR/>I'll probably never agree with you, Terry, but I'll still come back to this website to see what you say and get the viewpoint from the extreme left. The difference between you and me is I am intrigued by viewpoints that do not concur with my own. You are terrified by them.The Nameless Libertarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10358775584645387212noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-89591305698379381842007-11-05T15:05:00.000+00:002007-11-05T15:05:00.000+00:00Socialist Loiterer - Thank you comrade for those f...Socialist Loiterer - Thank you comrade for those fraternal remarks.<BR/><BR/>Who needs Capitalists ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-4264082832536857862007-11-05T15:02:00.000+00:002007-11-05T15:02:00.000+00:00PA - 5th. Form semantics does not in this case hid...PA - 5th. Form semantics does not in this case hide the fact that you are a bad loser.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-72642577381220363062007-11-05T14:59:00.000+00:002007-11-05T14:59:00.000+00:00Guthrie - I don't usually take this step but Byeck...Guthrie - I don't usually take this step but Byeck is a serial offender and he clearly thinks he can get away with it. I'm not getting into an argument with him about what I did and didn't say, I'm far too busy.<BR/><BR/>There are two ways to deal with it-- I can engage in sterile debate about whether he lied or he can withdraw I've chosen the latter this time.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-2795798439260603852007-11-02T16:45:00.000+00:002007-11-02T16:45:00.000+00:00"PA ....You are a bad loser."Whereas you a just a ..."PA ....<BR/><BR/>You are a bad loser."<BR/><BR/>Whereas you a just a loser.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-70067569815921718832007-11-02T16:36:00.000+00:002007-11-02T16:36:00.000+00:00"PA _ So if I were to describe the logic behind th..."PA _ So if I were to describe the logic behind this comment as pathetic and 5th. form semantics it would be OK."<BR/>As long as you describing the logic and not me, then yes it would be OK.<BR/><BR/>However, the thought that "pathetic" logic causes or evokes pity, sympathetic sadness or sorrow in you is quite enlightening. You are obviously have hidden depths.<BR/><BR/><BR/>"You are a bad loser"<BR/>Terry, when you get as many hidings as I do on the rugby pitch, you take losing in your stride and become a bad winner:>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-86534814514598155972007-11-02T16:30:00.000+00:002007-11-02T16:30:00.000+00:00"Byeck not for the first time has told deliberate ..."Byeck not for the first time has told deliberate lies about me"<BR/><BR/>I can understand why you might not be happy if someone tells lies about you.<BR/><BR/>If I or anyone else tells deliberate lies why not just respond by saying so and allowing the viewing public to make up their own minds? If we claim you said something on your blog, and if you plainly haven't, we'll look a fool. You win.<BR/><BR/>I seem to recall someone once saying words to the effect that you applaud suicide bombers. You protested, and corrected them. Fair enough.<BR/><BR/>You are very quick to call people racists and apologists for apartheid. This is far worse than someone telling porkies about you.<BR/><BR/>I'm sure your shoulders are broad enough to take this kind of thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-18116120672320445152007-11-02T16:01:00.000+00:002007-11-02T16:01:00.000+00:00PA _ So if I were to describe the logic behind thi...PA _ So if I were to describe the logic behind this comment as pathetic and 5th. form semantics it would be OK.<BR/><BR/>You are a bad loser.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-12910621234923978532007-11-02T15:50:00.000+00:002007-11-02T15:50:00.000+00:00"Is describing someone's logic as childish and vag..."Is describing someone's logic as childish and vague 'ad - hominem' ?"<BR/><BR/>Nope - he was describing your logic, not you.<BR/><BR/>If he described you personally as childish and vague and therefore inferring your logic is invalid, then that would be ad-hominem.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-74472044715093395302007-11-02T15:24:00.000+00:002007-11-02T15:24:00.000+00:00"Is describing someone's logic as childish and vag..."Is describing someone's logic as childish and vague 'ad - hominem' ?"<BR/><BR/>Um, yes.RfShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00222230991354683712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-44517069230608469342007-11-02T15:19:00.000+00:002007-11-02T15:19:00.000+00:00Jackart - What a guy, business man, brilliant deb...Jackart - What a guy, business man, brilliant debater, tough guy and fit as well.<BR/>I feel quite humble, do you wear your underpants over your trousers, do you do autographs ?<BR/><BR/>Is describing someone's logic as childish and vague 'ad - hominem' ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-26335184535929909322007-11-02T15:03:00.000+00:002007-11-02T15:03:00.000+00:00"Are you one of Thatcher's entrepreneurs then, Ton...<I>"Are you one of Thatcher's entrepreneurs then, Tony Soprano built his business up from scratch as well."</I><BR/><BR/>The difference is, of course that I am both within the law, indeed tightly regulated and (I'm sorry if this is beyond you) not fictional.<BR/><BR/><I>"I'm sorry if this hurts your obviously delicate feelings but, I don't feel obliged to explain anything to someone like you."</I><BR/><BR/>No, because when you attempt it, your logic is so childish and vague it's all too easy for me to shoot it down in flames. This is an example of the most pathetic ad-hominem. You've failed to answer a single point I've made and merely screamed "racist"<BR/><BR/><I>"Do you have to practice to be this tough ?"</I> <BR/><BR/>No. I find playing a bit of sport and going to the gym once in a while is enough.Jackarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04477130724830922566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-40406689740427305602007-11-02T14:52:00.000+00:002007-11-02T14:52:00.000+00:00Jackart - "Well Terry, I've built my own business ...Jackart - "Well Terry, I've built my own business from scratch, how's that?" <BR/>Are you one of Thatcher's entrepreneurs then, Tony Soprano built his business up from scratch as well. <BR/><BR/>I'm sorry if this hurts your obviously delicate feelings but, I don't feel obliged to explain anything to someone like you. Do you have to practice to be this tough ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-68054800392273612222007-11-02T14:44:00.000+00:002007-11-02T14:44:00.000+00:00Guthrie - I print 99 % of what is sent to me no m...Guthrie - I print 99 % of what is sent to me no matter how puerile you should certainly know that.<BR/><BR/>I've said this before - I will not print lies that are told about me and I will not print language which I consider to be unsuitable. <BR/><BR/>Byeck not for the first time has told deliberate lies about me, he knows all this.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-55804082846101495642007-11-01T20:09:00.000+00:002007-11-01T20:09:00.000+00:00"jackart - when was the last time that you said an...<I>"jackart - when was the last time that you said anything new, showed any initiative?"</I><BR/><BR/>Well Terry, I've built my own business from scratch, how's that?<BR/><BR/><I>I have given my opinion of you often enough.</I><BR/><BR/>Yes Terry, but the point is, you have never backed it up with evidence. Shouting it a bit louder doesn't make it so. <BR/><BR/>On a different subject: Your sweaty dewflaps and flabby folds revolt me. <A HREF="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7043639.stm" REL="nofollow">According to one of your ministers</A>, people like you are as big a problem as Climate change. Have you considered donating some of your blubber to solve the winter fuel crisis?Jackarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04477130724830922566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-65292923796617667892007-11-01T16:58:00.001+00:002007-11-01T16:58:00.001+00:00"Byeck - I've already warned you about lying. "Cl..."Byeck - I've already warned you about lying. "Cllr. Kelly says let them all come" is a lie which you will have to retract or it's goodbye."<BR/><BR/>Terry - I monitor your censorship with interest, but I can't find Byeck's offending post? Where is it?<BR/><BR/>Isn't the customary way of doing things in this country for someone to have their say and for you to respond, correcting them if necessary?<BR/><BR/>Who censors the censors?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com