tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post681733313704629406..comments2023-05-03T08:42:38.592+00:00Comments on Councillor Terry Kelly: MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SERVICES WITH LABOUR OR FLAG FLYING AND INDEPENDENCE MUMBO JUMBO WITH THE SNP YOU CHOOSE.Cllr Terry Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-61698387423002223082011-05-08T14:44:37.571+00:002011-05-08T14:44:37.571+00:00The liar comment is indeed directed at you because...The liar comment is indeed directed at you because that’s exactly what you are. You attributed something to me which was not true and you knew that. You can hide behind the ad hominem nonsense all you like but; I take the view that when someone deliberately lies about me I should simply call them a liar.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-91976264004514436492011-05-07T15:21:56.991+00:002011-05-07T15:21:56.991+00:00Some response that :
“Your claim that historicall...Some response that :<br /><br />“Your claim that historically nationalism has always been a force for ill is quite wrong” <br /><br />Here is what I said <br /><br />“It pains me to see any success for nationalism which I believe to be a force for malice, it is divisive and history tells us if you care to look that it is dangerous as well,”<br /><br />The salient word which makes you fail the “Kelly test” is ‘always’ we can now make the 3 perspectives 4 by adding the word liar.<br /><br /> <br /> <br />My further response : <br /> <br />You didn't qualify your original comment with any " can be " or " is sometimes " so it was reasonable to think you were in fact saying " always " . Assuming that's the point you are making. it's hard to tell. i presume the liar comment is directed at me, just another example of the way you always seem to move to the ad hominem attack as soon as someone disagrees with you. As others have pointed out can you really be surprised at Labour doing do badly when this sort of attitude is so common in your ranks ?Thornavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03609294299733744848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-15141585971876321212011-05-07T14:42:27.791+00:002011-05-07T14:42:27.791+00:00By Anonymous on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SERVIC...By Anonymous on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SERVICES WITH LABOUR O... at 13:53<br /><br />“the SNP and by definition” <br /><br />Those little words just lost you the argument; they are subjective and no more than your opinion. What you should have said if you don’t mind me helping is “in my opinion the SNP etc.” or a variant like “the way I see it the SNP etc.” always happy to help a teuchter.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-51100461412610758822011-05-07T14:30:29.475+00:002011-05-07T14:30:29.475+00:00By Anonymous on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SERVIC...By Anonymous on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SERVICES WITH LABOUR O... at 13:27<br /><br />I don’t recall ever saying that I hate anyone perhaps you could help everyone out by showing where I did this. <br /><br />I do have hatred in me and I’m proud of it, I hate fascism, sectarianism, racism, unelected institutions with power, sexism, homophobia, and discrimination of any kind etc. etc. and if any of that is a crime in your eyes I plead guilty. I await your response eagerly.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-60473785091520678042011-05-07T14:20:16.826+00:002011-05-07T14:20:16.826+00:00By Thornavis on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SERVIC...By Thornavis on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SERVICES WITH LABOUR O... at 12:46<br /><br />“I get no feeling of antipathy towards England from Scotland or the Nat's,”<br /><br />This position can be looked at from 3 perspectives either it is delusional or disingenuous or being made from a position of ignorance.<br /><br />“we would be perfectly OK with an independent Scotland and I see no reason to think that either country would suffer as a result”<br /><br />Same 3 perspectives. <br /><br />“Your claim that historically nationalism has always been a force for ill is quite wrong” <br /><br />Here is what I said <br /><br />“It pains me to see any success for nationalism which I believe to be a force for malice, it is divisive and history tells us if you care to look that it is dangerous as well,”<br /><br />The salient word which makes you fail the “Kelly test” is ‘always’ we can now make the 3 perspectives 4 by adding the word liar.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-82334129936288929352011-05-07T13:53:16.800+00:002011-05-07T13:53:16.800+00:00Kelly, when asked 'Did Kelly claim, directly, ...Kelly, when asked 'Did Kelly claim, directly, or by innuendo, that the SNP and by definition, those who voted for them, were knuckle dragging, sectarian, racist bigots,' the Man on the Paisley Omnibus, said 'Yes.' So, little man, stop wriggling and do what you always do when challenged...lead the charge to the rear, squealing 'Wasnae me, Guv.'<br /><br />With cretins like you,no wonder Labour didn't attract the rebel LibDem vote!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-47780896000099150622011-05-07T13:27:49.887+00:002011-05-07T13:27:49.887+00:00Terry,
It's peple like you who spout hate and...Terry,<br /><br />It's peple like you who spout hate and Tommy Williams (sacked Social Worker,) who have ruined the Labour Party of which I was once proud.<br /><br />I am not suprised the SNP have won. A victory for Hope and Ambition over Despair and Hate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-68923198168836177632011-05-07T12:46:01.942+00:002011-05-07T12:46:01.942+00:00I'm English, a deep southerner to boot, so yo...I'm English, a deep southerner to boot, so you might think I'd be naturally hostile to the SNP but I'm not. I get no feeling of antipathy towards England from Scotland or the Nat's, apart from a handful of idiots who can be found on both sides of the border. Truth to tell the English hardly care themselves about the Union anymore, we would be perfectly OK with an independent Scotland and I see no reason to think that either country would suffer as a result. I would still be sad to see the end of the Union though as it has served both countries well and separately we would not be as strong a force internationally as we are together ( something that still matters ).<br />Your claim that historically nationalism has always been a force for ill is quite wrong, it was part of the post Enlightenment liberalising of Europe and the world and helped countries to grow and prosper in freedom. It could be argued that those days are past but the case is by no means proved.Thornavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03609294299733744848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-36319031593620368302011-05-07T10:58:02.863+00:002011-05-07T10:58:02.863+00:00By voiceofourown on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SE...By voiceofourown on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SERVICES WITH LABOUR O... on 07/05/11<br /><br />Not really I have been through worse. It pains me to see any success for nationalism which I believe to be a force for malice, it is divisive and history tells us if you care to look that it is dangerous as well, if that belief is a crime I’m happy to plead guilty. This country which was already a dangerous place to be if you have an English accent has just taken a wrong turn.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-56201700968678070662011-05-07T10:50:01.162+00:002011-05-07T10:50:01.162+00:00By AlbaGuBrath on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SERV...By AlbaGuBrath on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SERVICES WITH LABOUR O... on 06/05/11<br /><br />There is nothing petulant or juvenile about expressing my dislike of nationalism, I believe it is dangerous and encourages violence against those who are from other countries mainly England in this case. I am also on record as saying this was a good night for the SNP candidates and Labour have never ever said that the Scottish people are too stupid to be trusted, show me where you have any evidence of that. And needless to say the Labour Party like all other parties claims to be proud to be Scottish that’s why we call ourselves “Scottish Labour” You are perfectly entitled to celebrate and enjoy your victory I would do the same but, this comment is complete nonsense. I have no idea what Alba gu Brath means and I have no desire to know either, I find it embarrassing and child like. <br /><br />You can be assured that I will continue to fight against racism, sectarianism and nationalism which are all closely linked and since I will continue to live in Scotland I will do it here.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-6657886278548175352011-05-07T00:18:39.916+00:002011-05-07T00:18:39.916+00:00Aw diddums.
Terry (the tribalist) is in the huff w...Aw diddums.<br />Terry (the tribalist) is in the huff with the nasty-wasty ewectowate.voiceofourownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09821703633244094283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-48620058438653539122011-05-06T19:56:01.571+00:002011-05-06T19:56:01.571+00:00Terry,
Do not realise the sort of petulant, juven...Terry,<br /><br />Do not realise the sort of petulant, juvenile behavior you are displaying is exactly the sort of reason people are leaving labour in their droves. Well, that and the fact your leader likes to hide in sandwich shops (thank god jakie ballie wasn't with him!).<br /><br />Seriously, can you not just admit you were well beaten and resolve to work harder in future. That the Scottish people no longer believe the relentlessly negative messages of Labour telling them that they are too stupid to be trusted with a referendum on independence.<br /><br />Why are you, as a party, so embarrassed to be Scottish?<br /><br />I am glad labour has been beaten. Very glad.<br /><br />Alba gu BrathAlbaGuBrathnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-5216969239973609442011-05-06T14:11:24.120+00:002011-05-06T14:11:24.120+00:00By Anonymous on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SERVIC...By Anonymous on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SERVICES WITH LABOUR O... at 13:13<br /><br />Really! I don’t recall doing that but I will say this if someone called me a knuckle dragging sectarian racist bigot I would certainly sue them. Over to you Mr. Anonymous.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-75227502650317857472011-05-06T14:04:12.918+00:002011-05-06T14:04:12.918+00:00By voiceofourown on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SE...By voiceofourown on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SERVICES WITH LABOUR O... at 12:47<br /><br />I am a classy guy but I believe in treating people the way they treat me and when it comes to the SNP I tell it like it is, if it looks like a rat and smells like a rat it is usually a rat.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-53230013136560689252011-05-06T14:03:09.586+00:002011-05-06T14:03:09.586+00:00By voiceofourown on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SE...By voiceofourown on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SERVICES WITH LABOUR O... at 12:47<br /><br />I am a classy guy but I believe in treating people the way they treat me and when it comes to the SNP I tell it like it is, if it looks like a rat and smells like a rat it is usually a rat.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-24532559440250807092011-05-06T14:02:59.955+00:002011-05-06T14:02:59.955+00:00By voiceofourown on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SE...By voiceofourown on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SERVICES WITH LABOUR O... at 12:47<br /><br />I am a classy guy but I believe in treating people the way they treat me and when it comes to the SNP I tell it like it is, if it looks like a rat and smells like a rat it is usually a rat.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-63601760868317586702011-05-06T13:59:23.839+00:002011-05-06T13:59:23.839+00:00By Ryan C on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SERVICES ...By Ryan C on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SERVICES WITH LABOUR O... at 12:46<br /><br />A great day indeed Ryan it will now become much easier to punch someone in the face for having an English Accent.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-23510055560344636592011-05-06T13:55:24.232+00:002011-05-06T13:55:24.232+00:00By Anonymous on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SERVIC...By Anonymous on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SERVICES WITH LABOUR O... at 12:41<br /><br />The SNP should not use words like respect it is an alien concept to you. It wasn’t that long ago that the people of Paisley South in a COUNCIL by election showed what they thought of the SNP have you forgotten that?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-52805051038506761182011-05-06T13:45:29.319+00:002011-05-06T13:45:29.319+00:00By Anonymous on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SERVIC...By Anonymous on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SERVICES WITH LABOUR O... at 12:39<br /><br />“moving to south Britain” <br />why not just blurt it out what you mean is “Among the Engurlish B******s” don’t you?<br />“How is it having an SNP MSP?”<br />You people are priceless you really are, mega stupid, I have had an SNP MSP since the Holyrood Parliament opened several of them in fact, what a clown you are.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-68007129821071151402011-05-06T13:38:56.899+00:002011-05-06T13:38:56.899+00:00By Ronnie on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SERVICES ...By Ronnie on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SERVICES WITH LABOUR O... at 12:12<br /><br />Ah so it was Labour who trebled the costs of football pitches for kids then, I could have sworn that it was the SNP/Libdem coalition who run the council and not Labour. You won last night so you don’t need to lie anymore, can you simply not stop yourself.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-61680259505308033882011-05-06T13:33:46.252+00:002011-05-06T13:33:46.252+00:00By Anonymous on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SERVIC...By Anonymous on MORE JOBS AND PROTECTION OF SERVICES WITH LABOUR O... at 12:06<br /><br />The SNP had a good night and we will try to give them a bad night next time, it’s a wee bit early to analyze but I think you might find that there was a reason for the SNP gains which makes it look a bit more credible - think Libdem. If the SNP do win an overall majority as seems likely what Margo McDonald said would be true. She said it would make life a whole lot tougher for Salmond (the spiv) & Co. because he would have no one to blame for failures. Nationalism is a disease not a philosophy and we will eventually stamp it out.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-8576179875842918622011-05-06T13:13:18.232+00:002011-05-06T13:13:18.232+00:00Kelly, you've called all the folk who voted SN...Kelly, you've called all the folk who voted SNP 'knuckle dragging, sectarian, racist bigots?'<br /><br />Do you stand by that remark?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-11730657764389175032011-05-06T12:47:01.075+00:002011-05-06T12:47:01.075+00:00Hello Terry.
"The people of Scotland will no...Hello Terry.<br /><br /><b>"The people of Scotland will now watch as the knuckle dragging nationalists racist bigots continue to besmirch their name."</b><br /><br />I always had you down as a good loser Terry and, true to form, you have shown what a classy guy you really are.<br /><br />The people of Scotland have spoken Terry - you'd do well to listen.voiceofourownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09821703633244094283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-20785701006568210282011-05-06T12:46:16.506+00:002011-05-06T12:46:16.506+00:00Oh Terry. What has happened to the mighty Labour P...Oh Terry. What has happened to the mighty Labour Party in Scotland.<br />They haven't just been beaten, they have been completely slaughtered.<br /><br />There is hope and light at the end of the tunnel for the people of Scotland who have been dragged down by negative Labour politics for too long.<br /><br />Oh what a perfect day!!!!Ryan Cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-36083497541693710252011-05-06T12:41:54.225+00:002011-05-06T12:41:54.225+00:00Labour have been trounced in Scotland.
This is th...Labour have been trounced in Scotland.<br /><br />This is the worst Labour defeat in SCotland for around 70 odd years I believe and the question is why?<br /><br />Can you explain this utter humiliation Terry.<br /><br />It would appear that the people of Renfrewshire are happy with their existing administration as they have voted in SNP in Paisley and Renfrewshire North. This is an incredible embarrassment for Labour that they will suffer badly from in years to come.<br /><br />Perhaps Labour need to rethink their neanderthal approach and they should start treating the electorate with a little respect.<br /><br />I know that this is something that you would be unable to understand, however, maybe others in the party that have a few more brain cells than you, will cotton on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com