tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post6583224296553454778..comments2023-05-03T08:42:38.592+00:00Comments on Councillor Terry Kelly: THE PEOPLE V THE SNP - THE BATTLE FOR SOUTH PRIMARY SCHOOL - SNP PLAY DIRTY.Cllr Terry Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-84959405925949779552008-11-23T13:19:00.000+00:002008-11-23T13:19:00.000+00:00You seem to have assumed that I am an SNP supporte...You seem to have assumed that I am an SNP supporter which I am not.<BR/><BR/>I was merely asking how Labour would have balanced the books in their opposition budget whilst inluding for all of the items that they are complaining about.<BR/><BR/>What the SNP did or didn't do in the past is irrelevant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-42450135685547176172008-11-21T14:48:00.000+00:002008-11-21T14:48:00.000+00:00(Templeton Peck) 21/11/08Do you have to practice o...(Templeton Peck) 21/11/08<BR/>Do you have to practice or does this degree of pomposity come naturally to you ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-73804715235371904772008-11-21T14:15:00.000+00:002008-11-21T14:15:00.000+00:00Cllr Terry Kelly said... (Alan) 11:45This is rathe...Cllr Terry Kelly said... <BR/>(Alan) 11:45<BR/><BR/>This is rather strange when you consider that the SNP did not produce any budgets when in opposition, such was the level of their dishonesty, they opposed everything without ever putting forward an alternative, you people are a joke. <BR/><BR/>e.g. the SNP opposed the refurbishment of the council headquarters but carried on with it when elected, same with the Labour schools programme, housing transfer (now in favour), swore to abolish the council magazine but haven’t, build a bus station etc. I could go on but I’m sure that you and Jolene can see how stupid you look.<BR/><BR/>Friday, November 21, 2008 2:07:00 PMCllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-11045124538816281042008-11-21T11:45:00.000+00:002008-11-21T11:45:00.000+00:00Jolene makes a very good point Terry.When Labour p...Jolene makes a very good point Terry.<BR/><BR/>When Labour present their opposition budget next year, it must be presumed that they will have included funds to save all the items that Jolene has detailed.<BR/><BR/>Can you confirm that this will be the case and how they will manage to balance the books?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-81456356318666711232008-11-21T07:44:00.000+00:002008-11-21T07:44:00.000+00:00Councillor, using Mrs. Thatcher's "There's no such...Councillor, using Mrs. Thatcher's "There's no such thing as society" quote is akin to using the passage in the Bible that says "...there is no God".<BR/><BR/>Putting Thatcher's comment in context:<BR/><BR/>"Thereis no such thing as society. There is living tapestry of men and women and people and the beauty of that tapestry and the quality of our lives will depend upon how much each of us is prepared to take responsibility for ourselves and each of us prepared to turn round and help by our own efforts those who are unfortunate. And the worst things we have in life, in my view, are where children who are a great privilege and a trust—they are the fundamental great trust, but they do not ask to come into the world, we bring them into the world, they are a miracle, there is nothing like the miracle of life—we have these little innocents and the worst crime in life is when those children, who would naturally have the right to look to their parents for help, for comfort, not only just for the food and shelter but for the time, for the understanding, turn round and not only is that help not forthcoming, but they get either neglect or worse than that, cruelty."<BR/><BR/>All too pertinent in light of recent events pertaining to Haringey.<BR/><BR/>But don't let the rest of what Mrs Thatcher said get in the way of your blind hatred of her, ay Councillor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-67713708731241491612008-11-20T19:12:00.000+00:002008-11-20T19:12:00.000+00:00(Jolene) 19/11/08I would fight to keep South Prima...(Jolene) 19/11/08<BR/>I would fight to keep South Primary open that’s why we (Labour) invested millions in education in the last administration to build 3 new secondary schools and 4 new primary schools and renovate the others.<BR/><BR/>Labour’s commitment to education is second to none, when you take away the slogans and the flag waving the SNP has commitment to nothing, the people are now seeing that.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-8123313625530818792008-11-19T18:13:00.000+00:002008-11-19T18:13:00.000+00:00Perhaps Tony Blair, new labour, could donate his p...Perhaps Tony Blair, new labour, could donate his public speaking money to save south school or wendy alexander sell her posh pad in the west end to help. The labour party are a bunch of hypocrites and you know it. Look forward to seeing the labour budget next year with funds to save South Primary, rebuild the ice rink, refurbish the apex centre, not charge for the warden service, not touch the education budget.......You are happy to jump on the bandwagon and patronise the parents of South Primary. Look at the facts and what would you decide??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-35473130252109468822008-11-19T18:05:00.000+00:002008-11-19T18:05:00.000+00:00ann - don't bother too much with ellen's attack, s...ann - <BR/>don't bother too much with ellen's attack, she is not likely to let facts get in the way of her well polished prejudices. <BR/><BR/>You make the very good point that "THIS IS THEIR FUTURE" and by doing so you inadvertently hit the target, the salient point for ellen and her like is that it is not her children's future at stake, it's yours, so tough luck.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-48170309944981986952008-11-19T17:56:00.000+00:002008-11-19T17:56:00.000+00:00anonymous.Don't waste too much time considering el...anonymous.<BR/>Don't waste too much time considering ellen's point of view. it can be summarised thus, "me and my children are fine so everyone else can lump it"<BR/><BR/>Her selfish attitude is exposed where she says "I chose state education" that's because she could afford to have a choice. <BR/><BR/>This woman reminds me of the evil Thatcher, remember "there is ni such thing as society" ( M Thatcher)Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-60177939964462110982008-11-19T16:20:00.000+00:002008-11-19T16:20:00.000+00:00Ellen,If you are a Tory as you say? -then you shou...Ellen,<BR/><BR/>If you are a Tory as you say? -then you should be aware of the fact that "Conservatives have thrown their weight behind South Primary Campaign" and have also backed the Scottish Parliamentary<BR/>Motion as they are aware of the facts. You are using the same negative arguments as the SNP.... <BR/><BR/>As for your '64% unoccupied figure'<BR/>why then are placing requests being refused for the South School?Also the catchment area for the school is the SMALLEST in Paisley! Does it make sense to have children staying across the road from the school in a diffrent catchment area? These are the things that should be looked at, not closing a 22 year old school....and moving children into old and crumbling schools that need to be refurbished at a greater expense to the tax payers!<BR/><BR/>As for the Children, the Scottish Government guielines on school closures state that each child should be entitled to have their own views heard. This has been DENIED by this administration, so what alternative do they have? This is THEIR FUTURE we are talking about!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-53099355582871137502008-11-19T15:40:00.000+00:002008-11-19T15:40:00.000+00:00In response to Ellen.The council would not open a ...In response to Ellen.<BR/>The council would not open a school for it to be underoccupied by 64%. Instead, they are closing a 22 year old school and spending £5million refurbishing an older school. I, as a taxpayer, have issues with that. Particularly as the council will be left so tight for primary places in Suth Paisley upon completion of all planned new-build homes, and should they - God forbid - even so much as attempt to reduce class sizes in line with Govenrment policy. (You might want to catch up with Fiona Hyslop and impart your wisdom with regard to class sizes and academic attainment - she is clearly mis-informed when she states that small class sizes provide a better environment for education. I'm sure she'll appreciate your guidance)<BR/>As for your wise words in relation to the mental torment inflicted on our poor children by their evil parents, desperate for a mere taste of fame in the PDE and a pat on the back from the odd labour councillor. Well, let's just say I won't be losing any sleep over your opinions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-31503241254833093062008-11-19T14:49:00.000+00:002008-11-19T14:49:00.000+00:00ellen."My point exactly. Your interest in this is ...ellen.<BR/>"My point exactly. Your interest in this is purely politically motivated. It would appear that you have no interest in the children"<BR/><BR/>That seems pretty much like a politically motivated statement to me ellen. <BR/><BR/><BR/>"Pretty silly statement from you about private education when you consider how many members of the Labour party now choose this route" <BR/><BR/>Fair point but it doesn't alter their reasons for doing this and small class sizes is one of them.<BR/><BR/>"education provision is very good and is nothing really to do with class size but more to do with the teaching quality and school management" <BR/><BR/>So, under achieving children from poor backgrounds would do better if only their teachers were not so bad. Oh your a Tory alright aren't you, completely bereft of any charity Christian or otherwise. <BR/><BR/>As far as throwing money is concerned, we live in a deeply unfair society and a massive redistribution of wealth is what's required, consider all the millions of poor underprivileged children who have been failed and consider what they might have achieved had society been as good to them as it has to your children.<BR/><BR/>But I'm forgetting your a Tory right ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-59630447590026981762008-11-19T14:16:00.000+00:002008-11-19T14:16:00.000+00:00"I,as an opposition politician see it as my job to..."I,as an opposition politician see it as my job to highlight the lies of the SNP, such as reducing class sizes while in actual fact they are increasing them by closing schools."<BR/><BR/>My point exactly. Your interest in this is purely politically motivated. It would appear that you have no interest in the children.<BR/><BR/>Pretty silly statement from you about private education when you consider how many members of the Labour party now choose this route.<BR/><BR/>I, for one, have chosen state education for my children as I believe that the education provision is very good and is nothing really to do with class size but more to do with the teaching quality and school management.<BR/><BR/>The old Labour adage of throwing money at anything in the hope of a cure doesn't work here as it doesn't work in so many aspects of society.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-10600297148383960812008-11-19T12:58:00.000+00:002008-11-19T12:58:00.000+00:00ellen."This tends to put to bed the argument about...ellen.<BR/>"This tends to put to bed the argument about class sizes and teacher to pupil ratios" <BR/><BR/>I disagree, there are many reasons for children doing well or not so well in school and lower class sizes is IMO a benefit, that's why many of your fellow Tories pay so much for private schooling. <BR/><BR/>The parents are doing what they think is best for their children, to suggest anything else is unfair on them.<BR/><BR/>I,as an opposition politician see it as my job to highlight the lies of the SNP, such as reducing class sizes while in actual fact they are increasing them by closing schools. <BR/><BR/>I don't know your school but, I am sure that this is only the beginning of closures and no one will be immune.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-48786624807945936692008-11-19T12:49:00.000+00:002008-11-19T12:49:00.000+00:00Anonymous.Most of the people of Renfrewshire don't...Anonymous.<BR/>Most of the people of Renfrewshire don't know what it's like to be led by the incompetents who make up the SNP but, they are learning the hard way.<BR/><BR/>I think that public opinion is firmly on the side of the parents.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-90930199729446649262008-11-19T12:45:00.000+00:002008-11-19T12:45:00.000+00:00allan.If you are really interested, which I doubt ...allan.<BR/>If you are really interested, which I doubt you can contact the council and get a copy of Labour's proposed budget.<BR/><BR/>The SNP are floundering big time aren't they, here and in Holyrood, how are those reduced class sizes coming along ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-57651470503634762532008-11-19T12:41:00.000+00:002008-11-19T12:41:00.000+00:00macnasty.I don't hide any of my views and, unlike ...macnasty.<BR/>I don't hide any of my views and, unlike you I don't hide myself either.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-7956198929200580702008-11-19T12:38:00.000+00:002008-11-19T12:38:00.000+00:00oakwood.They would have trouble organising a 'pant...oakwood.<BR/><BR/>They would have trouble organising a 'pantomime horse'Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-48905352469069241402008-11-19T11:23:00.000+00:002008-11-19T11:23:00.000+00:00As a parent of 2 children who attend another schoo...As a parent of 2 children who attend another school in Renfrewshire, I can sympathise with the feelings of parents and children who are affected by this possible closure.<BR/><BR/>I have a friend who is directly affected by this matter and has kept me up to date with recent meetings and protests.<BR/><BR/>The school that my own children attend is completely full and has a waiting list for other children to enroll and has an excellent scholastic record. This tends to put to bed the argument about class sizes and teacher to pupil ratios.<BR/><BR/>I have discussed the South Primary isuue with my friend at length, however, whilst I sympathise with those involved, I can also see the other side of the coin.<BR/>Would any council open a new school to have it underoccupied by 64%?<BR/><BR/>I do believe that certain factions are using this issue as a huge political football for their own means.<BR/><BR/>If it were my children, I would be trying to shield them from the effects of this possible change but it seems that the children are actually being used.<BR/><BR/>If the closure does happen, then the children are going to be in a state probably more because of the parents and those who are rousing them up than the actual closure itself.<BR/><BR/>I heard that at one protest the parents were all holding up large blown up photographs of their children and now there is to be a candlelight vigil. This really verges into a pretty disgusting expolitation and I think a sense of proportion has been lost.<BR/><BR/>One person said "Think of the children". I'm not sure that certain people are really interested in the children and I am not talking of those behind the proposed closure.<BR/><BR/>This is my view as a parent and for your information I am a member of the Conservative Party, however, my opinion on this not politically motivated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-54808160345669276422008-11-19T10:20:00.000+00:002008-11-19T10:20:00.000+00:00Terry. I can't believe these people, cancelling t...Terry. I can't believe these people, cancelling their surgery details in the local press, does that not go against the good tenants of local democracy.<BR/><BR/>These Councillors represent we the people and by definition should be answerable to we the people.<BR/><BR/>The Leader of the Council should be asked to resign, he is acting like some sort of demy-god, to be worshiped but never questioned. I wish the parents all the best; I fully support the actions of the Labour MP, MSP and local Councillors.<BR/><BR/>This inept administration must be answerable to the people not some of the time but all of the time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-28471099177291118472008-11-19T07:50:00.000+00:002008-11-19T07:50:00.000+00:00Jeez, New Labour must really have stuffed the Coun...Jeez, New Labour must really have stuffed the Council's coffers.<BR/><BR/>I am interested though in which services would have been for the cut HAD New Labour clung on to power last year?Allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13574173214924437278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-14925216690304804852008-11-18T22:52:00.000+00:002008-11-18T22:52:00.000+00:00Re the 'many services the Paisleu Daily Express pr...Re the 'many services the Paisleu Daily Express provides for local people.'<BR/><BR/>If this includes shining a light on Kelly's refusal to support service men and women and other things he would prefer to keep hidden in his bosom,then let's hear it for the PDX is what I sayMacnastyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09490400462940768120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-7101107481573117122008-11-18T20:14:00.000+00:002008-11-18T20:14:00.000+00:00cllr,Is the rumour true that the SNP & Lib Dem...cllr,<BR/><BR/>Is the rumour true that the SNP & Lib Dem administration wanted to put on a "Nativity" display as part of the Christmas celebrations but had to cancel because they could not find 3 wise men?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com