tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post5833716756459461141..comments2023-05-03T08:42:38.592+00:00Comments on Councillor Terry Kelly: NATIONALISM - "THE MEASELS OF THE PLANET EARTH" ( ALBERT EINSTEIN)Cllr Terry Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-88882921590562503622009-10-26T16:22:17.409+00:002009-10-26T16:22:17.409+00:00(Anonymous) 25/10/09
“You state that you'd ba...(Anonymous) 25/10/09<br /><br />“You state that you'd ban the BNP and parties like them -does that include the other nationalist parties SNP, Sinn Fein and PC?”<br /><br />The BNP are racists and Nazis that’s why I would ban them; the <br /><br />SNP is riddled with anti English racism but its official stance is devious enough to avoid that accusation. <br /><br />If the SNP stood up and admitted that they hated the English then they would get the same treatment as the BNP.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-58076423896022695422009-10-26T16:11:39.365+00:002009-10-26T16:11:39.365+00:00(David Duff) 25/10/09
“Yes, all of them”
Like mos...(David Duff) 25/10/09<br />“Yes, all of them”<br /><br />Like most right wing forelock tuggers you are a quisling. <br /><br />“close to treason” <br /><br />not at all just common sense; Republicanism is not a crime; vote for Griffin if you want it to be.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-46525978468901355312009-10-25T22:56:42.438+00:002009-10-25T22:56:42.438+00:00On a lighter note here is what Griffen said before...On a lighter note here is what Griffen said before QT<br /><br />http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222682/Nick-Griffin-Video-proves-BNP-leader-joked-black-people-walking-like-monkeys.html<br /><br />Yet he denied on the programme that he agreed that black people walk like monkeys.<br /><br />He and his disgusting followers are trying to spin QT as a victory but it's the beginning of the end for that scummy sect. <br /><br />You state that you'd ban the BNP and parties like them -does that include the other nationalist parties SNP, Sinn Fein and PC?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-36426734686632141122009-10-25T21:10:17.114+00:002009-10-25T21:10:17.114+00:00Yes, all of them, plus anyone who wished, say, to ...Yes, all of them, plus anyone who wished, say, to propose the removal of our royal family which some people might even construe as close to treason - but I wouldn't vote for any them.David Duffhttp://duffandnonsense.typepad.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-36667879522389513412009-10-25T17:13:07.043+00:002009-10-25T17:13:07.043+00:00(David Duff) 16:38
Would you give a platform to a ...(David Duff) 16:38<br />Would you give a platform to a party who were called the ‘Bring back Slavery Party’? How about the ‘Popular Party for the Legalisation of Child Sex Abuse’? Try the ‘Tinned People for Cannibals Party’ <br /><br />Would they get in to your ‘Democratic Forum?’Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-42705693820170067262009-10-25T17:06:37.951+00:002009-10-25T17:06:37.951+00:00(Jim) 09:58
There is a fundamental difference in o...(Jim) 09:58<br />There is a fundamental difference in our attitudes although I can understand the points you make. <br /><br />My position is that we should not allow people like this to form a political party or take any part in public life.<br /><br />I predict that now that they have taken hold there will be serious disorder; it is similar to Hitler; Mosley etc. get rid of them; don’t show them any tolerance; being democratic does not mean that everyone no matter how dangerous and evil they are is entitled to air their views.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-11756327691115935642009-10-25T16:59:01.323+00:002009-10-25T16:59:01.323+00:00(Ariel) 24/10/09
“didn't criticise the BNP”
Ex...(Ariel) 24/10/09<br />“didn't criticise the BNP”<br />Exactly.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-4129208555896042722009-10-25T16:38:53.144+00:002009-10-25T16:38:53.144+00:00"I don’t agree with including these people in..."I don’t agree with including these people in any democratic forum I want them banned"<br /><br />In which case it would cease to be a "democratic forum".<br /><br />Glad to see that in a fast moving world your powers of logic, Councillor, remain what they have always been.David Duffhttp://duffandnonsense.typepad.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-79026531818343747622009-10-25T09:58:20.040+00:002009-10-25T09:58:20.040+00:00With thanks to your anonymous commentator - I'...With thanks to your anonymous commentator - I'd forgotten about the bit where Giffen first tried to deny sharing a platform with the KKK guy, then to the amusement of the audience (they certainly laughed at this point) tried to claim they were a non-violent section of the KKK.<br /><br />The QT team should take a long hard look at themselves though, as the show mainly played into Giffen's hands and has facilitated all the extra press coverage he's now getting as a 'victim' of a lynch mob - of course the newspapers are now just as culpable as the BBC for giving the odious wee creep all this oxygen of publicity.<br /><br />It would have been much better if we'd had a normal QT forum with members of the audience asking topical questions on subjects such as the postal strike, the recession, health care, hospital parking... Instead it was closer to the playground than any sort of adult debate.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00797359279671022904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-25151796864214921602009-10-24T21:24:30.122+00:002009-10-24T21:24:30.122+00:00Councillor, if I didn't criticise the BNP, nei...Councillor, if I didn't criticise the BNP, neither did I praise them.<br /><br />What I did, was spell out that they are taking votes from Labour in Labour strongholds - Bolton, Blackburn, Rotherham - and suggest some reasons for that. <br /><br />You may not like it, But it's happening.Arielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-7662674733492065782009-10-24T17:51:10.697+00:002009-10-24T17:51:10.697+00:00(Anonymous) 23/10/09
Based on the BNP membership r...(Anonymous) 23/10/09<br />Based on the BNP membership rules the BBC would have won over a ban but; the problem would have returned when they change the rules. I don’t agree with including these people in any democratic forum I want them banned and if the authorities don’t do it there will serious public disorder.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-42520769740695344842009-10-24T17:35:43.400+00:002009-10-24T17:35:43.400+00:00(Ariel) 23/10/09
A Tory who finds it difficult to...(Ariel) 23/10/09<br /><br />A Tory who finds it difficult to criticise Griffin and the BNP, as I said before we’ve got your number.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-78755330512400455712009-10-23T22:13:47.447+00:002009-10-23T22:13:47.447+00:00I find this a tricky one. As I understand it the B...I find this a tricky one. As I understand it the BNP could have taken legal action against the BBC if it hadn't invited them on. <br /><br />On the one hand this could have led to the cash strapped BNP bankrupting itself which I can't say I'd lose any sleep over. The problem is they might have won. <br /><br />The BNP, led by public schoolboy Nick Griffin, like to portray themselves as the authentic voice of the white working class. A victory over the BBC aka the liberal elite in BNP/tabloid speak would have been a great propaganda coup for them. <br /><br />I am not unsympathetic to the no platform stance but I feel that with the BNP now sadly having two elected members a more pragmatic approach should at least be considered. <br /><br />As for the programme itself, I don't think many minds will have been changed one way or the other. Griffin came across as sweaty, evasive, nervous and downright dishonest in places, in particular when he was exposed over his holocaust denial and the comments he made when sharing a platform with David Duke of the KKK. That said none of the panel managed to land the killer blow.<br /><br />The BNP are crowing about a surge in support and donations following the programme and are desperately trying to spin it as a triumph.This is par for the course with this dishonest shower. When reality doesn't suit them they re-write it. A good example of this is their membership list. It is numbered so that once memberships pass 33,000 and extra one hundred thousand. This is designed to make the people who join this shower feel that they're part of some mass movement rather than a curious bag of the mentally ill, nazi fetishists and racists. Any 'surge' in support the BNP have seen as a result of QT will be short lived. <br /><br />Similarly any victories the BNP have won in local elections have been victories for BNP tactics not their policies. Time and time again the BNP have mobilised all their activists in key seats and done the hard work. They've even gone as far doing odd jobs for the elderly or making sure they are seen picking up litter and helping out in community projects. <br /><br />Of course as soon as they are elected they vanish until election time comes around again. It's a pretty smart tactic. <br /><br />To illustrate with an example from my own life, if you'd asked me a year ago about my local Labour councillor, MP and MSP I'd have turned the air bright blue calling them all the useless careerists under the sun. If you were to ask me about them now I'd say we have some differences in our political outlook but I have no doubt that they are hard working people with the best interests of the community at heart. All that's changed is that I now have a job that brings me into contact with them and I see some of what they do. I know which community projects they back and how hard they fight for the area. <br /><br />Most people do not have a job that brings them into contact with councillors, MPs and MSPs so they have no real idea what they actually do for their areas. If it is a poor, rundown area with few opportunities this creates perfect conditions for the BNP. To counter this all the mainstream parties need to be more visible, activists need to be motivated and constuients should be left in doubt that they are working for the area. This means not only the usual stuff like canvassing but visible community spirited action -before elections and between elections. <br /><br />The battle against the BNP will be won. It'll be won on the streets of our communities by filling every last vacuum to stop the BNP from filling it. Sure community and voluntary should be undertaken for it's own sake but I can think of no better service to a community that stopping the nazis gaining a foothold. <br /><br />Keep on fighting the good fight, however you decide to oppose the BNP and hope to see you at the Scotland United demo against the EDL.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-24072475524288666502009-10-23T10:58:51.135+00:002009-10-23T10:58:51.135+00:00If I wasn't a Tory, I'd feel sorry for the...If I wasn't a Tory, I'd feel sorry for the Labour party. <br /><br />BNP votes are coming from Labour voters in traditional Labour heartlands - the 'Little People' Terry,who have worked hard all their lives and feel let down by Labour.<br /><br />The Labour vote is being eroded in these areas. Stand by for a train crash of an election, CouncillorArielnoreply@blogger.com