tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post574858881658149067..comments2023-05-03T08:42:38.592+00:00Comments on Councillor Terry Kelly: HOW MUCH LONGER CAN SALMOND AND THE SNP KEEP UP THE PRETENCE OF A POSSIBLE REFERENDUM VICTORYCllr Terry Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-47257658374039119392013-02-10T07:59:23.207+00:002013-02-10T07:59:23.207+00:00is it true your in the orange order kelly?
is it true your in the orange order kelly?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-29113672250528039572013-01-26T15:01:04.437+00:002013-01-26T15:01:04.437+00:00NayLabour said...Saturday, January 26, 2013 12:09:...NayLabour said...Saturday, January 26, 2013 12:09:00 pm <br /><br />Stalin has been subjected to more bad propaganda - That is hilarious! Are you suggestion he was a good guy...????<br /><br />Do you not think we owe Stalin and the Soviet Union an incalculable debt. Following the war he and the Soviet Union were made in to the enemies because the west wanted to destroy communism which they feared. These are the people who taught you about Stalin, you trust them and I don't. Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-31747731669487912082013-01-26T14:55:23.640+00:002013-01-26T14:55:23.640+00:00“I’m glad you admit to not knowing if English peop... <br />“I’m glad you admit to not knowing if English people are subject to racist behavior by Scots.” <br /><br />another lie I said I didn't know if English people were subjected to more or less racist behaviour than others. <br /><br />“So you are NOT suggesting that the SNP will whip up anti-English” <br /><br />Another lie I have made it clear repeatedly that the snp have and do whip up anti English feelings. <br /><br />snp supporters are associated with Nazism, is that clear? All independence supporters are not associated with Nazism, is that clear? Don’t worry if you don’t have the smarts to understand what you are being told but it’’s hardly my fault, I don’t mind spelling it out as I would for a child if need be. <br /><br />So you did not say the war was legal – therefore you view must be it WAS illegal? So YOU are happy to be a member of a party that take us into illegal wars. <br /><br />Two completely unsubstantiated, wrong and rather stupid assertions. <br /><br />“ would your beloved Stalin be a member of new labour?” <br /><br />another stupid unsubstantiated assertion why do you describe Stalin as my beloved Stalin? Are you a child? Would Stalin Join new labour? an even more stupid question, you are struggling to be taken seriously. <br /><br />“is there any other reason why some people are 'less valuable' that others which you would like to chare with us?” <br /><br />another lie. I can’t share or explain something with you which I never said. <br /><br />“Terry, you are clearly in denial on this matter”<br /><br />If I am in denial perhaps you could prove that by showing me pictures of the labour for Independence group and a list of labour party members who are also members of this group. <br /><br />If you want to continue to correspond with me then you had better cut out the lies or you will not be printed, I have been very patient with you. <br />Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-1504945852317856862013-01-26T13:11:14.091+00:002013-01-26T13:11:14.091+00:00Good Morning Terry,
I’m glad you admit to not know...Good Morning Terry,<br />I’m glad you admit to not knowing if English people are subject to racist behavior by Scots. So you are NOT suggesting that the SNP will whip up anti-English activity after-all (their English members will be relieved)! I’m all clear on that one now. I do agree Scotland has a particular issue with sectarianism – see we can agree on something’s!<br />I am reprinting your next response here:<br />‘If you join a political party founded by Nazi sympathisers you are associating yourself with Nazism and I did not say independence supporters are associated with Nazism that is another lie’<br />Let me try to make my point clear; if I join the SNP – I am a member obviously. You have stated above that ‘you are associating yourself with Nazism’. You then immediately say ‘I did not say independence supporters are associated with Nazism’. So what you are saying is that all SNP supporters are associated with Nazism. SNP membership = associating oneself with Nazism?<br />Please tell me clearly - are all SNP members associated with Nazism by their membership, or they are not.<br />So you did not say the war was legal – therefore you view must be it WAS illegal? So YOU are happy to be a member of a party that take us into illegal wars – why don’t you join a Socialist party and convince us all that you are a man of principle? Ask yourself this – would your beloved Stalin be a member of new labour?<br />Now a point we do disagree on – I DO NOT consider your opinion less valuable than mind just because you are a British Nationalist. I find it surprising that you would make such a judgment simply based on ones political viewpoint - is there any other reason why some people are 'less valuable' that others which you would like to chare with us?<br />You associate yourself with a party with a far more recent ‘murky past’, and yet you appear at ease with that?<br />The ‘phantom’ Labour for Independence’ group! Phantom? Here is a link (again): www.labourforindy.co.uk and a statement not written by phantoms:<br />We are a political organisation which supports a "YES" vote in the Scottish independence referendum. We are working within the Labour party to promote the benefits that independence would bring to the people of Scotland.<br />Terry, you are clearly in denial on this matter. A few days ago they (as supporters of independence) were ‘de facto SNP’ and now they don’t exist?<br />And, finally, yes, you appear more civil today for which I thank you!<br />NayLabournoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-82078155229536504902013-01-26T12:09:55.774+00:002013-01-26T12:09:55.774+00:00Stalin has been subjected to more bad propaganda -...Stalin has been subjected to more bad propaganda - That is hilarious! Are you suggestion he was a good guy...????NayLabournoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-45761757982403750012013-01-24T19:36:31.851+00:002013-01-24T19:36:31.851+00:00Kelly @ 4.06
Kelly, I have a great fondness for y...Kelly @ 4.06<br /><br />Kelly, I have a great fondness for you, but that reply is enough to get you sectioned.<br /><br />As a stop-gap, ask matron to increase your medication.Byecknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-8664303063835417372013-01-24T18:54:31.245+00:002013-01-24T18:54:31.245+00:00Byeck said...Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:06:00 p...Byeck said...Wednesday, January 23, 2013 4:06:00 pm <br /><br />Churchill would have been just as happy on the side of the Nazis as on our side and Stalin did what was politic knowing that the conflict with Nazism would be along in time. As for strikes? What is wrong with them? Are the strikers always wrong? I advise you to read about the early days of the snp. Google the name Arthur Donaldson; you will find a kindred spirit there. Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-23550931556713958762013-01-24T18:29:29.032+00:002013-01-24T18:29:29.032+00:00 NayLabpur said...Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:33... NayLabpur said...Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:33:00 pm <br /><br />If you want to complain about me as a councillor I would advise you to contact The Standards Commission for Scotland now can you stop girning. <br /><br />I do know for a fact that English people have been subjected to racist behaviour but whether that is more or less than other racist behaviour by Scots. I don’t know. I do know however that Scotland does have a serious problem with racism and sectarianism.<br /><br />I did not say that the war was legal, that is a lie. If you join a political party founded by Nazi sympathisers you are associating yourself with Nazism and I did not say independence supporters are associated with Nazism that is another lie. I do actually consider your opinion as a nationalist less valuable than mine as I would anyone who is associated with a party which has such a murky past. <br /><br />The Labour for Independence Group? You claim on the one hand that your opinions are as valuable as mine and then you bring up the phantom Labour for Independence group, you are either being disingenuous or having a laugh, was that civil enough for you? <br />Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-33500821543400220102013-01-24T17:46:39.389+00:002013-01-24T17:46:39.389+00:00 NayLabour said...Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:33... NayLabour said...Wednesday, January 23, 2013 5:33:00 pm<br /><br />Stalin has been subjected to more bad propaganda than Hanibal Lector and Judas Iscariot put together and all from his enemies who had a vested interest in demonising him. I know more about Churchill and he was a drink sodden inbred cretin.<br /><br /> Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-42636835785823647482013-01-23T17:33:22.862+00:002013-01-23T17:33:22.862+00:00The Russian people were the hero's Terry. Stal...The Russian people were the hero's Terry. Stalin was a megalomaniac - Not many Russian have fond memories of him!<br /><br />NayLabournoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-69511806673675797982013-01-23T17:29:06.911+00:002013-01-23T17:29:06.911+00:00Silly comment not fitting for an elected represent...Silly comment not fitting for an elected representative of the people”<br />And why should I listen to what you think is fitting for an elected representative of the people? And who are you anyway, are you afraid of telling people who you are, not much credibility there is there? <br /><br /># You are the councilor not me! For all you know I could live in the area you represent, and even if I did not vote for you (which I didn’t) YOU represent ALL the people of your area, and that includes those who support the snp – that you’re your job councilor, and I don’t believe we pay your salary to be abusive to anyone. You don’t need to know my name or address – I have a right to anonymity if I so wish - why are so interested in knowing who i am?<br /><br />It is my opinion based on experience that English people living in Scotland who are already subjected to racist behaviour will be at greater risk once the snp are humiliated at the referendum. That danger will come from nationalist/independence supporters and others who are whipped up by them. Is that clear enough?<br /># DO you know for a fact the English people living in Scotland are subject to racist behavior any more than say those of the Asian or Polish community, and are you suggesting that all anti-English behavior is carried out by nationalists who are whipped up by the snp? I think you need to be clear on this point. If however it’s just something you choose to believe is the case then that’s fine – no evidence!<br /><br />“If the leader of new labour took us into an illegal war would i join new labour?”<br /><br />The legality of the Iraq war is a matter of dispute and I would prefer to listen to more serious voices rather than an anonymous blogger. It’s interesting that you compare that to Nazism though, any port in a storm eh?<br /><br /># I simply follow the point that you make – you are clearly at ease being a member of new labour and everything that goes with that even though you say you are a socialist (is Tony a socialist?). I take from your answer that you do not believe the war was illegal, which is an interesting stand and not one a lot of members of your own party agree with. My main issue is you associating supporters of independence with Nazism, which is to say the lease disingenuous!<br /><br />“i am not 'the snp'” You are in their camp, and for the purposes of this argument you are de facto snp. <br /># Well Terry, if I may say that’s a very simplistic view of the world. I am a nationalist as you have guessed but that makes my opinions not less valuable than yours as a British unionist – I certainly do not agree with you, but I don’t necessarily think it makes you a bad person (misguided maybe). You can still try and be civil in our discussions.<br /><br />What members of my own party are you referring to?<br /># Allan Grogan, Stuart Mathieson etc – in other words the Labour for Independence group (http://www.labourforindy.co.uk/). These are’ your people’ – are they ‘de facto snp’?<br />NayLabpurnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-56571305602470538392013-01-23T16:06:38.953+00:002013-01-23T16:06:38.953+00:00Kelly @ 2.35
Kelly, as Granny would say, 'What...Kelly @ 2.35<br />Kelly, as Granny would say, 'What the hell has your answer to do with the price of eggs!'<br /><br />Face it son, Joe cosied up to the Nazis until 1941 and there were over 900 left-wing led strikes in the early months of the war.<br /><br />That means, according to you, the SNP were on the side of the angels. I know it's tough, but there you go, facts are facts. Can they count on your vote?<br /><br /><br /><br />Byecknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-74871029355924766592013-01-23T14:35:49.985+00:002013-01-23T14:35:49.985+00:00Byeck said...Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:57:00 pm ... Byeck said...Tuesday, January 22, 2013 8:57:00 pm <br />“so if you're right, unlikely though it is”<br />Why don’t you check?<br /><br />I think we have been here before about Stalin and you still have the same problem which is your refusal to accept the fact that the blanket of peace, security and freedom which protects you was provided by the same Joseph Stalin and the heroism of the Soviet Union. <br />Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-14388316824993048382013-01-23T14:24:07.455+00:002013-01-23T14:24:07.455+00:00Anonymous said...Tuesday, January 22, 2013 11:37:0...Anonymous said...Tuesday, January 22, 2013 11:37:00 pm<br /><br />"Terry You are a moron.No really...a moron. Think about it"<br /><br />Dear anonymous. I have thought about it and I am cut to the quick, I have never been so insulted in my whole life. Honestly, one does one's best to inform and educate those less fortunate like yourself and this is the thanks I get. <br /><br />Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-57114271720682066792013-01-23T14:14:12.633+00:002013-01-23T14:14:12.633+00:00“Silly comment not fitting for an elected represen...“Silly comment not fitting for an elected representative of the people”<br />And why should I listen to what you think is fitting for an elected representative of the people? And who are you anyway, are you afraid of telling people who you are, not much credibility there is there? <br />It is my opinion based on experience that English people living in Scotland who are already subjected to racist behaviour will be at greater risk once the snp are humiliated at the referendum. That danger will come from nationalist/independence supporters and others who are whipped up by them. Is that clear enough?<br /><br />“If the leader of new labour took us into an illegal war wouldi join new labour?”<br /><br />The legality of the Iraq war is a matter of dispute and I would prefer to listen to more serious voices rather than an anonymous blogger. It’s interesting that you compare that to Nazism though, any port in a storm eh? <br /><br />“i am not 'the snp'” You are in their camp, and for the purposes of this argument you are de facto snp. <br /><br />What members of my own party are you referring to? <br /> <br />Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-54028307612324014772013-01-22T23:37:03.838+00:002013-01-22T23:37:03.838+00:00Terry
You are a moron.
No really...a moron.
Think ...Terry<br />You are a moron.<br />No really...a moron.<br />Think about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-26466081969519197402013-01-22T20:57:00.005+00:002013-01-22T20:57:00.005+00:00Kelly @ 2.37
SNP Nazi sympathisers? Councillor, un...Kelly @ 2.37<br />SNP Nazi sympathisers? Councillor, until 1941, Joe Stalin was a Nazi sympathiser, so if you're right, unlikely though it is, the SNP were in good company. And,in the first months of the war, there were over 900 strikes.<br /> <br />Now, you would argue that Uncle Joe was sweet talked into Nazi collaboration by the SNP, the Royal Family and Churchill and that the 900 strikes were initiated by the same crew, but then again, you're on a different planet. <br /><br /><br /><br />Byecknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-61613744917406223512013-01-22T19:45:12.967+00:002013-01-22T19:45:12.967+00:00So we are doing it like this are we? Okthen, here ...So we are doing it like this are we? Okthen, here goes:<br />“Do you really believe that all snp and other nationalist supporters are ’knuckled draggers?”No some are elbow draggers. - Silly comment not fitting for an elected representative of the people.<br /><br />“Do you seriously think that kind of abuse is fitting for the debate we should be having about Scotland’s future?” No but you lot set the parameters. - I am not 'you people' since you have no idea of my background but i am willing to discuss and debate important issue with you that affect all of us. Are you willing to do that?<br /><br />“Do you really believe that no-one with an English accent will be safe in Scotland” <br /><br />They are not safe just now and when the referendum ends in a humiliation for the snp/separatist/cynernats they will be in danger. - I want to be clear about this one, Are you stating that nationailst supporters will do physical harm to people who have English accents?<br /><br />“from those with no positive argument for the maintaining Westminster rule – would you like to offer one?” I don’t need to it’s you lot who need to explain why we should leave the Union and you are clearly unable to do that. - Good no-reponse. In fact Terry you do need to explein rather than take people for granted. Dont you think people DESERVE to told why we should stay in the union - or dont you really know?<br /><br />“managing our own affairs?” That’s not difficult, it’s where that leads that is the problem. - It leads to....managing our own affairs! At that point its up to US...and US include YOU as you are a Scot...i bet we will all get along just fine!<br /><br />As for the Nazi thing? <br /><br />I think of it like this, I ask myself if I knew that the snp were founded by Nazi sympathisers would I join them and guess what? My answer is, not with a barge pole, you clearly don’t agree, is that clear enough for you? - HHmmmm, If the leader of new labour took us into an illegal war wouldi join new labour? Same point really. Can i point out your mistake - i am not 'the snp'! Are you suprised at that - do you see how easliy you just make assumptions about peopl because of your obssession? Dont feel this same hatered (because that what it comes accross s) for, for example the Greens, Margo, or anyone else who will vote YES?How about memebrs of you own party - are they misguided.<br />Lots for questions for you - i hope you can answer in a civil manner!<br /><br />NayLabournoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-43191074685227922032013-01-22T14:37:27.825+00:002013-01-22T14:37:27.825+00:00 Naylabour said...Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:18:00... Naylabour said...Sunday, January 20, 2013 9:18:00 pm <br /><br />“Do you really believe that all snp and other nationalist supporters are ’knuckled draggers?”No some are elbow draggers. <br /><br />“Do you seriously think that kind of abuse is fitting for the debate we should be having about Scotland’s future?” No but you lot set the parameters. <br /><br />“Do you really believe that no-one with an English accent will be safe in Scotland” <br /><br />They are not safe just now and when the referendum ends in a humiliation for the snp/separatist/cynernats they will be in danger. <br /><br />“from those with no positive argument for the maintaining Westminster rule – would you like to offer one?” I don’t need to it’s you lot who need to explain why we should leave the Union and you are clearly unable to do that. <br /><br />“managing our own affairs?” That’s not difficult, it’s where that leads that is the problem. <br /><br />As for the Nazi thing? <br /><br />I think of it like this, I ask myself if I knew that the snp were founded by Nazi sympathisers would I join them and guess what? My answer is, not with a barge pole, you clearly don’t agree, is that clear enough for you? <br /><br /><br />Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-85732031267987278372013-01-22T14:21:40.338+00:002013-01-22T14:21:40.338+00:00 Anonymous said...Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:49:0... Anonymous said...Tuesday, January 22, 2013 1:49:00 am <br /><br />No attempt at any answers then Mr. Anonymous. Pou araty vun vun a droch! <br /><br />Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-89936118333383391102013-01-22T14:14:56.466+00:002013-01-22T14:14:56.466+00:00 Alison Phillips said...Sunday, January 20, 20... Alison Phillips said...Sunday, January 20, 2013 11:05:00 pm <br /><br />Since when were you entitled to decide who is and is not a good socialist? The issue at stake here is not whether a payout was right nor is the size of the payout the issue either. The issue is whether there was any wrongdoing and people like you saying there was wrongdoing does not make it so. It simply means that you are spreading unsubstantiated stories to further what looks like your own agenda and as such it’s you who is the villain here no one else. <br /><br />I have grave misgivings about payouts in some cases, their size, the reasons for them etc. If there is proof of anything illegal in this case or any other I would be opposed to the payout. Perhaps you could furnish me with that proof; until such time as you do perhaps you would consider putting away your white hood and fiery cross and stop acting like a vigilante.<br /><br /> <br />Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-54703193137669019942013-01-22T13:56:50.926+00:002013-01-22T13:56:50.926+00:00Alison Duncan said...Sunday, January 20, 2013 11:0...Alison Duncan said...Sunday, January 20, 2013 11:07:00 pm <br /><br />You want me to sign a petition against a payout for someone? boycott his pub? Say No to cronyism and corruption? And give reasons for my answers. OK I’ll have a go but I suspect from your post that you will not be much interested in anything which challenges your obvious prejudice.<br /><br />As far as the petition and the boycott is concerned my answer is no and I would like to comment that we do not employ vigilantes in this country we employ the rule of law and to get the law on your side you need evidence, facts and proof that would convince the law of someone’s guilt. A lynch mob mentality does no impress me and neither do you. <br /><br />Cronyism and corruption? I am against it, every bit as much as I am against people who smear others without providing any proof of wrong doing. <br /><br /><br />Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-62396451595671239862013-01-22T01:49:21.991+00:002013-01-22T01:49:21.991+00:00Referring to yourself in the 3rd person? Says it a...Referring to yourself in the 3rd person? Says it all really. What a sad, deluded little man you are Terry.<br /> <br />We're going to win this referendum because we're passionate about our nations future and making a better life for everyone in it. That sort of passion is contagious.<br /><br /> All your side has is bile, bitterness and a pathetic nostalgia for empire. Not attractive qualities to anyone.<br /><br />Thig Ar Latha<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-73527021253092281842013-01-20T23:07:33.513+00:002013-01-20T23:07:33.513+00:00Sign the petition against the Ronnie Saez payout. ...Sign the petition against the Ronnie Saez payout. Boycott his pub The Abbey Bar. Say No to cronyism and corruption. <br /><br /> http://tinyurl.com/ana4tbs<br /><br />If not, why not?Alison Duncannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-82695318409832624202013-01-20T23:05:06.978+00:002013-01-20T23:05:06.978+00:00Any good socialist would think it wrong to award a...Any good socialist would think it wrong to award a £500,000 payoff, consisting of other peoples money to a departing chief exec. While continuing to employ him. I do of course refer to Labour cronie Ronnie Saez and his massive payoff. <br /><br />Given that you're a good socialist will you be supporting the Parkhead parents in their call to return the money so that it can be used to support child care? This petition and the parents are supported by Unite- a pretty big donor to the Labour Party. bAnd wil you also be supporting the call to boycott The Abbey Bar until Saez hands back his massive payout? <br /><br />If not, why not? <br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/ana4tbsAlison Phillipsnoreply@blogger.com