tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post2615834173686889453..comments2023-05-03T08:42:38.592+00:00Comments on Councillor Terry Kelly: BARACK OBAMACllr Terry Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-43095238830388790872007-06-04T14:29:00.000+00:002007-06-04T14:29:00.000+00:00rumbold - nothing you have said comes close to exp...rumbold - nothing you have said comes close to explaining America's fear and obsession with Cuba.<BR/><BR/>Could it be something to do with the battle for hearts and minds perhaps ?<BR/><BR/>The USA, afraid of a neighbour with a different ( dangerous ) philosophy which endangers Capitalism continues to react against Cuba like a scared bully.<BR/><BR/>In New York alone over 18,000 children under five years old are sleeping in homeless shelters, maybe that and many other things scare the USA when they think about Cuba.<BR/><BR/>What's the chance of Americans really learning about Cuba ? that's what they're afraid of.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-28861675133986019072007-06-01T15:45:00.000+00:002007-06-01T15:45:00.000+00:00Over the centuries, Europeans have got used to the...Over the centuries, Europeans have got used to the idea that hostile countries exist right next to them. Even England was surrounded by Scotland, Wales, Ireland, France, the Low Countries, Scandinavia and Iberia. Therefore, having an enemy next door is a natural state of affairs for the European psyche.<BR/><BR/>America on the other hand has not really had this problem historically, so gets far more agitated when a country like Cuba is next to it. Not that Cuba could invade, but during the Cold War there was a real fear that the USSR might use it as a staging point for an invasion.<BR/><BR/>America is not worried about Castronian ideals of repression spreading to their populace. They just would prefer Cuba to be a bit farther a way. The American boycott magnifies Cuba's and Castro's importance, and should be dropped.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-69874956127662458802007-06-01T15:34:00.000+00:002007-06-01T15:34:00.000+00:00rumbold - I think you know don't you, that I asked...rumbold - I think you know don't you, that I asked why they are so concerned ? for instance is America, the greatest power in the history of the planet afraid that Cuba will invade them ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-22227375015577569482007-06-01T15:14:00.000+00:002007-06-01T15:14:00.000+00:00From earlier post by me in this thread:"Surely Cub...From earlier post by me in this thread:<BR/><BR/>"Surely Cuba's proximity is the main reason for its importance in American eyes. If Cuba were exactly the same, but just off the coast of India, the US would not be nearly as concerned."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-47532511870627374072007-06-01T15:02:00.000+00:002007-06-01T15:02:00.000+00:00Rumbold - You don't seem to be able to think clear...Rumbold - You don't seem to be able to think clearly when it comes to Cuba - you are merely repeating the same American garbage that the CIA have been telling us for years. <BR/><BR/>I have stated clearly on many occasions that I regard Cuba as more democratic than the USA and no amount of American inspired poison is going to change my mind.<BR/><BR/>I can't remember if I've asked you personally but I've certainly asked many times - Why is the most powerful nation in history so afraid/ obsessed with it's tiny 3rd. World neighbour Cuba ? Care to have a go ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-85636829522391436832007-06-01T14:36:00.000+00:002007-06-01T14:36:00.000+00:00If an American wanted to vote for or against Bush ...If an American wanted to vote for or against Bush in 2004, they could have. If a Cuban wanted to vote for or against Castro, they cannot. <BR/><BR/>You were elected because people wanted you in office. Under the Cuban system, there would be no elections, and your position would have been filled by an appointed official, which might or might not have been you. Your constituents would have had no say in the matter. Please can you tell me whether appointment as opposed to election makes for a better country?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-34356600538838737932007-06-01T10:58:00.000+00:002007-06-01T10:58:00.000+00:00Scunnered - when I saw that you had taken me liter...Scunnered - when I saw that you had taken me literally I didn't pay much attention to what you wrote. I have now read it, and, re-read it, and, you are still obsessed with showing how clever you are. Write it again.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-13021079527321027962007-05-31T20:58:00.000+00:002007-05-31T20:58:00.000+00:00Hi Terry'scunnered - 'my offer' was rhetorical'It ...Hi Terry<BR/><BR/>'scunnered - 'my offer' was rhetorical'<BR/><BR/>It would have been if you had asked 'About my answers, why don't you just tell me what to write?<BR/><BR/>Adding 'and I'll consider it ?' created an invitation.<BR/><BR/>So fewer marks this time on the humour stakes.<BR/><BR/>Progressing onwards (but I fear probably downwards), may I invite you again to answer the question set?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-23237456678948004732007-05-31T11:54:00.000+00:002007-05-31T11:54:00.000+00:00scunnered - 'my offer' was rhetoricalscunnered - 'my offer' was rhetoricalCllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-48111761028090667562007-05-30T20:02:00.000+00:002007-05-30T20:02:00.000+00:00Hi Terry.Not bad on the humour, but don't try too ...Hi Terry.<BR/><BR/>Not bad on the humour, but don't try too hard or you might even smile<BR/><BR/>Ok, taking up your offer, why don't you just write:<BR/><BR/>Democracy is proved to be working properly when a socialist party rules, irrespective of who can be voted for, however the votes can be counted and whether or not more people vote against that party than for it.<BR/><BR/>I can't see too much there for you to take umbrage atAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-3645621482944256942007-05-30T16:08:00.000+00:002007-05-30T16:08:00.000+00:00RFS - As I said I wouldn't respond to a story like...RFS - As I said I wouldn't respond to a story like that because I would assume that everyone would know that it's a wind up, but not you seemingly. <BR/><BR/>So if you take something like that literally and still, quite incredibly, standing by your analysis of it, what are we to make of you ? That's why I asked that question, and still do. <BR/><BR/>A five year old can get away with it but why would an adult say that ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-76364961056317104672007-05-30T15:23:00.000+00:002007-05-30T15:23:00.000+00:00Yup, I do think that given all the nonsense you sp...Yup, I do think that given all the nonsense you spout in this blog and your lack of the basic grasp of business and economy a 100% tax on the rich is something I would expect from you.<BR/><BR/>The quote was "I know it is not Labour party policy but I would impose a 100% tax on the rich" and it is the Extra sheet. May I suggest you not only make a complaint to the editor but in future keep a closer eye on what is being printed about you? You are clearly being smeared.RfShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00222230991354683712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-53590717081618968572007-05-30T14:11:00.000+00:002007-05-30T14:11:00.000+00:00RFS - I don't know what free sheet you're talking ...RFS - I don't know what free sheet you're talking about and if I did I would not take it seriously. <BR/><BR/>Even those who disagree with me vehemently would accept that I did not say that I would tax the rich at 100 % most people except you apparently. <BR/><BR/>You believe I would set a tax rate at 100 % do you ? Is that what you think ?<BR/><BR/>Castro is a lovely guy.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-29243651079810172572007-05-29T20:25:00.000+00:002007-05-29T20:25:00.000+00:00The 100 percent quote was reported in the local fr...The 100 percent quote was reported in the local free sheet. If this was inaccurate then did you complain to the editor and have a retraction printed?<BR/><BR/>It was the piece that reported ferguslie as being top of the child poverty league.<BR/><BR/>I take it you don't think castro holds families hostage then?RfShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00222230991354683712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-74273094865466955452007-05-29T17:01:00.000+00:002007-05-29T17:01:00.000+00:00scunnered - is that the truncated version ?You and...scunnered - is that the truncated version ?<BR/><BR/>You and I are not going to give any ground on Cuba that's obvious so stop wasting my time.<BR/><BR/>About my answers, why don't you just tell me what to write and I'll consider it ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-43749673210588896732007-05-29T16:50:00.000+00:002007-05-29T16:50:00.000+00:00RFS - You forgot the bit about Fidel eating childr...RFS - You forgot the bit about Fidel eating children.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-65388419388996841862007-05-29T16:48:00.000+00:002007-05-29T16:48:00.000+00:00RFS - You really are getting more pathetic, I do n...RFS - You really are getting more pathetic, I do not attack people because of their personal circumstances money or otherwise, I deal with their political opinions.<BR/><BR/>I didn't say I would tax anyone at 100 % but I remember someone saying I did, interesting that you give it credence though, tax at 100 % ? says more about you than me, I think some growing up needs to be done.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-15588442463022999382007-05-29T15:44:00.000+00:002007-05-29T15:44:00.000+00:00rumbold - yes you can stand for any office in Amer...rumbold - yes you can stand for any office in America but without millions of dollars you haven't a chance - try mentioning socialism and you will be crucified, all perfectly legal of course. <BR/><BR/>You can call it democracy if you like.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-49983209958731925342007-05-29T15:32:00.000+00:002007-05-29T15:32:00.000+00:00Oh Terry, you don't seem to do humour, do you? FW...Oh Terry, you don't seem to do humour, do you? <BR/><BR/>FWIW, I'm not terribly clever, nor obsessed with being so. What is worrying is that you might really see me as being such - but i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and put it down to your merely practising the art of irony.<BR/><BR/>Whatever, on to the re-sits. A full answer also required comment on the positioning of the UK's electoral results in the democratic stakes, relative to the US and Cuba. Please elaborate.<BR/><BR/>BTW, I'll happily shorten my comments if you will properly answer the questions. That seems a fair trade-off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-52766782670992581612007-05-29T11:47:00.000+00:002007-05-29T11:47:00.000+00:00"Why do they go back ? it's not for money. "If I b..."Why do they go back ? it's not for money. "<BR/><BR/>If I beat you every week for a year in a small locked room beside a small locked room containing your family, then one day I said "go down the shops for some milk for me, oh and by the way, if you don't come back I will execute your wife and children" what would you do?RfShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00222230991354683712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-65476998115292430472007-05-29T11:37:00.000+00:002007-05-29T11:37:00.000+00:00So what you are saying is that when an American ch...So what you are saying is that when an American champaign socialist is on the move you will attack him but when it is a British one you will not comment?<BR/><BR/>Not only Sarwar but I believe that a certain MSP you promote lives in a nice west end pad with a husband that is quite successful. Do they know about your plan to tax the rich at 100%?<BR/><BR/>You are quite the hypocrite terry are you not?RfShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00222230991354683712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-46288287702056167312007-05-28T23:37:00.000+00:002007-05-28T23:37:00.000+00:00"'Cubans don't love Fidel' some arguments have som..."'Cubans don't love Fidel' some arguments have some logic but that one ?"<BR/><BR/>That was not meant to be an argument, it was a qualifier. I just meant that there is no system in place for Cubans to register their like/dislike of Castro, whether they like him or not. <BR/><BR/>"Cuba has regular turn outs in the 90% region"<BR/><BR/>They only have one party to vote for. Often the worst dictators are the ones who record massive turnout/support from a fraudulent referendum (Saddam Hussain springs to mind). The clinching argument has to be that if you went to America, you could stand for most offices even without the consent of the Republicans/Democrats; if you went to Cuba you would need the consent of the ruling party to stand; in what sense is that democracy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-75715752510017136512007-05-28T17:20:00.000+00:002007-05-28T17:20:00.000+00:00plagiarist - I make allowances for jim lewis.plagiarist - I make allowances for jim lewis.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-28644014173313652872007-05-28T16:45:00.000+00:002007-05-28T16:45:00.000+00:00anon - 'Cuba' I don't know where you get this driv...anon - 'Cuba' I don't know where you get this drivel but I don't buy it.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-3891792716205289552007-05-28T16:31:00.000+00:002007-05-28T16:31:00.000+00:00scunnered - 'Lies damned lies and statistics' ( Di...scunnered - 'Lies damned lies and statistics' ( Disraeli) I have been over this many times and I'm not going over it again, we might make some progress if you drop your obsession with showing us all how clever you are.<BR/><BR/>IMO Cuba is more democratic because America is so corrupt and Cubans are far more engaged in the process. I have never, despite the snide remarks, claimed that Cuba is perfect, I do consider it better than the rest. I don't regard American capitalism as democratic because so many are not involved and, I consider this to be deliberate, the corporate gangs are the real power.<BR/><BR/>Is there any chance of shortening your comments, what if we all agree 'you're clever' would that do it.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.com