tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post1964096744909899756..comments2023-05-03T08:42:38.592+00:00Comments on Councillor Terry Kelly: EL COMMANDANTE LOOKING GOOD AND STILL WITH PLENTY TO SAY.Cllr Terry Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comBlogger83125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-11259142385203267362010-07-24T12:23:04.098+00:002010-07-24T12:23:04.098+00:00(Anonymous) 24/07/10
Thank you for the ringing end...(Anonymous) 24/07/10<br />Thank you for the ringing endorsement of my description of the minority who attack me you are a perfect example.<br /><br />Can you explain how the US’s treatment of Cuba ‘props it up’Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-71150200791115284092010-07-24T03:55:17.453+00:002010-07-24T03:55:17.453+00:00since you say "I get about 40,000 hits a year...since you say "I get about 40,000 hits a year and I get attacked by a tiny minority of that number most of whom are unintentionally funny, immoral or just barking", i'd better leave a comment now I've visited your site.<br /><br />you're an idiot, man. Cuba is a dictatorship people are literally dying to get out of. the only things propping up its corrupt and exhausted regime are venezuelan money and the stupid US policy of isolation and sanctions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-57789502346934271652010-07-19T13:12:01.474+00:002010-07-19T13:12:01.474+00:00(Thornavis) 12:27
There is nothing quite as bad as...(Thornavis) 12:27<br />There is nothing quite as bad as a bad loser.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-19709985384921704952010-07-19T12:55:58.468+00:002010-07-19T12:55:58.468+00:00(He's Spartacus) 18/07/10
“The quote was made ...(He's Spartacus) 18/07/10<br />“The quote was made by Ernesto "Che" Guevara at the United Nations”<br /><br />Lenin used the phrase ‘Useful Idiots’ which I was referring to. <br /><br />Che has hundreds of quotes this one is a statement of fact as he seen it; previous revolutions bear him out, arbitrary killings are the order of the day in most revolutions, there are no rules when the fighting starts. It’s rather simple, do it to them before they do it to you. That is why Fidel won; the insurgents were fighting for a cause while Batista’s troops were fighting because they were being paid. <br /><br />Che. and his men's thoughts would have been something like this. "I’m going to overthrow the Govt. in a revolution and I think they won’t be pleased; they are likely to kill me if they get the chance so I am going to kill them first because I hate them"<br /> <br />The rest of this is as I said before is, Supercilious regurgitated C.I.A. nonsense ‘circa’ 19-59/60 aimed at gullible ‘useful idiots’ who are still reciting it like some not very bright parrots.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-30427215758428032492010-07-19T12:27:47.772+00:002010-07-19T12:27:47.772+00:00This has been most entertaining but I must stop no...This has been most entertaining but I must stop now as I have seen more than enough to convince me that the old unreconstructed Stalinist left is still alive and kicking. It's quite comforting really, rather like turning down a country road and encountering a traction engine, it's time is long past and you would never let it anywhere near real work but it's lovely to watch it clanking and puffing away like it was still 1910.<br />Oh and thank you for that 98% turnout in Cuban elections thing, best laugh I've had all week.Thornavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03609294299733744848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-61030622199125159562010-07-19T12:10:54.572+00:002010-07-19T12:10:54.572+00:00“he didn't achieve office solely or even mainl...“he didn't achieve office solely or even mainly through family connections”<br /><br />And I’m saying he absolutely did. <br /><br />“what he achieved and where he failed were the product of his own efforts”<br /><br />Rubbish; do you think that repeating this stuff will make it correct? <br /><br />“have you considered that his drinking may have been an attempt to self medicate his bouts of depression”<br /><br />Get a grip of yourself he was a drunk; end of story. <br /><br />“The elections came later and the electorate were able to vote for or against the parties concerned, that doesn't happen in Cuba does it ?”<br /><br />Cuba has elections with 98% turn outs.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-63844974926627693742010-07-18T23:23:49.673+00:002010-07-18T23:23:49.673+00:00Terry, old stick, you really ought to research you...Terry, old stick, you really ought to research your subject a little more before committing yourself to an answer.<br /><br />The quote, as any pimply sociology undergraduate would know, let alone a self-appointed expert such as yourself, was made by Ernesto "Che" Guevara at the United Nations.<br /><br />Here are are a few more of his pithier efforts, just to get your juices really flowing....<br /><br />Che the fearless warrior:<br /><br />“Don’t Shoot! I’m Che! I’m worth to you more alive than dead!” (whimpered while dropping his fully-loaded weapon and raising his hands when he and fellow guerrilla Willy were confronted by....wait for it....two Bolivian soldiers, on October 8th 1967 at Quebrada de Yuro, Bolivia.)<br /><br />Che the anti-racist:<br /><br />“The Negro is indolent and spends his money on frivolities and booze, whereas the European is forward-looking, organized and intelligent.”<br /><br />“What will our Revolution do for blacks? Why, we’ll do for blacks exactly what blacks did for the Cuban revolution. By which I mean: NOTHING!”<br /><br />“The negro has mantained his racial purity by his well known habit of avoiding baths.”<br /><br />“Mexicans are a rabble of illiterate Indians.”<br /><br />Che the statesman:<br /><br />“The solutions to the world’s problems lie behind the Iron Curtain. If the nuclear missiles had remained we would have fired them against the heart of the U.S. including New York City. The victory of socialism is well worth millions of atomic victims.”<br /><br />Che the champion of the poor:<br /><br />“Animalitos” (referring to Bolivian campesinos)<br /><br />Hombre muerto. Idea Muerta.He's Spartacushttp://hesspartacus.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-2102773270679231942010-07-18T18:10:40.514+00:002010-07-18T18:10:40.514+00:00Well this just gets more bizarre really, what didn...Well this just gets more bizarre really, what didn't I check in Churchill's background ? I'm genuinely at a loss here, you just seem to be arguing with someone in your own head to whom you've attached my on line name. You're missing the point here anyway, I was arguing that Churchill was not part of a dynasty ie. that he didn't achieve office solely or even mainly through family connections, the fact that you mention his family's low opinion of him rather tends to confirm that. Neither was he the heir to some unbroken line of powerful establishment figures, what he achieved and where he failed were the product of his own efforts. You seem to see him as some kind of perpetual drunk, have you considered that his drinking may have been an attempt to self medicate his bouts of depression ?<br />No there weren't any elections when the people you mention took over from previous Prime Ministers, you could argue that as a flaw in our parliamentary system or you could see it is a by- product of a collective cabinet based executive, either way it would be beside the point. The elections came later and the electorate were able to vote for or against the parties concerned, that doesn't happen in Cuba does it ?Thornavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03609294299733744848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-35432580272334207342010-07-18T17:24:35.867+00:002010-07-18T17:24:35.867+00:00(Thornavis) 16:00
Laziness for not bothering to ch...(Thornavis) 16:00<br />Laziness for not bothering to check the Churchill background and hubris for thinking you could get away with it. <br />Was there an election when Major took over from Thatcher? When Callahan took over from Wilson? When Brown took over from Blair? There are more if you care to go looking but I doubt you will. <br />As I said laziness and hubris; stop making a fool of yourself.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-13188011123018065272010-07-18T16:00:09.533+00:002010-07-18T16:00:09.533+00:00Lazyness and hubris ? I can't see how you draw...Lazyness and hubris ? I can't see how you draw those conclusions from my comments, especially hubris, what nemesis do I have coming my way ? I'd be interested to know. The Clinton comparison has already been dealt with by others but to try again here's a clue, try the word 'election'.<br />Do you really suppose that I think that capitalist societies are free from corruption ? The difference is that these days most of them are democracies and there's a chance to do something about it without ending up in chokey or worse. Anyway I thought the whole point about socialism was that it was supposed to be a better system, a step up from capitalism, apparently not. This is very similar to the labour election campaign which amounted to little more than, yes we've been crap but the Tories are just as bad, very inspiring.Thornavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03609294299733744848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-86673217788205803882010-07-18T15:43:51.447+00:002010-07-18T15:43:51.447+00:00(Thornavis) 13:27
“You really are incredibly touc...(Thornavis) 13:27<br /><br />“You really are incredibly touchy”<br /><br />If drawing attention to your laziness and hubris is touchy then I am guilty.<br /><br />“Yes of course Winston Churchill had a leg up by virtue of his background but to start with he didn't make much of it”<br /><br />Right on both accounts at last, but the reason he didn’t make much of it is because he was an upper class well connected oaf, in fact he was worse than that but his family took the view that half an oaf etc. <br /><br />“Fidel Castro's handing on of power to his brother”<br /><br />Had Hilary Clinton won the presidency and served two terms America would have been governed for 28 years by two families, the Bushes and the Clintons. <br /><br />“nepotism and cronyism were rife in all the old communist states”<br /><br />It must be comforting for you to know that such things don’t happen in Capitalist States and in Capitalist States we also have the tooth fairy: those dirty commies don’t have that do they?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-52681568305228369152010-07-18T13:27:19.800+00:002010-07-18T13:27:19.800+00:00You really are incredibly touchy, when I said I wa...You really are incredibly touchy, when I said I was dealing with facts I meant that I was avoiding subjective judgements about the politics of the era and just discussing John Churchill's achievements, which were considerable.<br />Yes of course Winston Churchill had a leg up by virtue of his background but to start with he didn't make much of it and it was only later that he achieved success, largely through his own efforts. Plenty of other people had the advantages of birth and did nothing with it, just as plenty of 'low born' people made an impact on society. The only reason I mentioned any of this in the first place was because of Fidel Castro's handing on of power to his brother, is that how a socialist should behave ? This kind of thing is common in communist countries, North Korea is the obvious example but nepotism and cronyism were rife in all the old communist states, it is inevitable in an undemocratic power obsessed society.Thornavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03609294299733744848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-91927795378862231422010-07-17T15:08:22.272+00:002010-07-17T15:08:22.272+00:00(Anonymous) 16/07/10
In politics I am the least r...(Anonymous) 16/07/10<br /><br />In politics I am the least romantic person you will come across. <br /><br />“party that did the deed though isn't it?” <br /><br />You can’t stand on your own two feet without exploiting Iraq can you, all those dead people are very useful to you, you just love waiting for the daily count don’t you? <br /><br />“Yes, and it's completely irrelevant (not to mention inaccurate) as was everything below that point” <br /><br />It is a well known saying not a statement of fact it is designed to make you think God help us. <br /><br />Everything below that point is 100% relevant and accurate and that is true because I said so, so there!Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-71434259649441703412010-07-17T14:53:01.840+00:002010-07-17T14:53:01.840+00:00(Thornavis) 13:11
( I don't suppose you'd...(Thornavis) 13:11<br /><br />( I don't suppose you'd approve but I'm just dealing with facts here )<br /><br />FFS! do things become facts now because you say so? You need a reality check, have you any idea what you sound like? <br /><br />If Winston’s surname had been Jones he would have struggled to hold down a job as a shammy wringer for a one armed window cleaner. <br /><br />Try the late 15 th. century and explore the name Spencer as well and stop either being disingenuous or stupid whichever it is.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-24567073837400696852010-07-17T13:11:34.411+00:002010-07-17T13:11:34.411+00:00To return to the Churchill theme for a moment, I a...To return to the Churchill theme for a moment, I assume your mention of the late Seventeenth century was a reference to the Duke of Marlborough and his wife ? The Duke achieved his position by virtue of being perhaps the best general Britain ever had ( I don't suppose you'd approve but I'm just dealing with facts here ) and his wife was a favourite of Queen Anne, for a while anyway, which was about the only way an intelligent and ambitious woman could achieve influence in those days. Then there's a gap of a century and a half until Lord Randolph Churchill another who achieved high office on his own merits. Hardly a dynasty is it ?Thornavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03609294299733744848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-30196214154832677782010-07-16T22:01:37.992+00:002010-07-16T22:01:37.992+00:00Anonymous 18:06 again.
I believe ideas and symbol...Anonymous 18:06 again.<br /><br />I believe ideas and symbolism are vitally important. But a romantic attachment to a frankly imaginary social order is the absolute antithesis of the ideology you profess. You are cheerleading for a Marxist and Marxism is all about materialism. It's your point to defend.<br /><br />---<br />Some people possibly you are so wrapped up in themselves, so stunted emotionally that they may well be lost causes, you become completely base you have no vision; you are incapable of raising your gaze, you sneer at people with ideals because morally you are no more than a shell. If that’s you then you have my sympathy.<br />---<br /><br />You are 180 degrees wrong. But I'll give you a pass because I used to write ideological opponents off in eerily similar language.<br /><br />---<br />Iraq is never far away when you people engage in debate is it? It’s like a comfort blanket to you, throw in Iraq when you haven’t got a valid argument, very depressing.<br />---<br /><br />Kind of appropriate when you're a card carrying member of the party that did the deed though isn't it?<br /><br />---<br />Have you ever heard the saying “one volunteer is better than 10 pressed men”...<br />---<br /><br />Yes, and it's completely irrelevant (not to mention inaccurate) as was everything below that point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-55767614817995142472010-07-16T19:53:25.727+00:002010-07-16T19:53:25.727+00:00(Anonymous) 18:06
You sound like a shallow and co...(Anonymous) 18:06<br /><br />You sound like a shallow and completely soulless character, I think that mankind is capable of higher things; I believe we can create better societies and I believe that I have history on my side. The world’s greatest heroes and the most heroic actions that mankind has ever performed have been done for ideals not material gain. <br /><br />Some people possibly you are so wrapped up in themselves, so stunted emotionally that they may well be lost causes, you become completely base you have no vision; you are incapable of raising your gaze, you sneer at people with ideals because morally you are no more than a shell. If that’s you then you have my sympathy. <br /><br />Iraq is never far away when you people engage in debate is it? It’s like a comfort blanket to you, throw in Iraq when you haven’t got a valid argument, very depressing. <br /><br />Have you ever heard the saying “one volunteer is better than 10 pressed men” if you were given the choice you would rather buy a Rolls Royce than feed a hungry child, no wonder the planet is in such a state.<br /><br />“They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America?” (Fidel Castro) <br /><br />go figure.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-19082615592479657642010-07-16T18:06:53.347+00:002010-07-16T18:06:53.347+00:00"If you remove avarice; selfishness and mater..."If you remove avarice; selfishness and materialism from the equation then IMO the Cuban people are “in all senses better off than us” The fact that they work for each other and the common good is more rewarding than flash cars and big villas, they are involved in a great experiment which could; if successful benefit mankind. If that doesn’t make them better off then I don’t know what would."<br />---<br /><br />You do realise that a good commie should eschew such fluff as mere symbolism, a distraction from what was always supposed to be a struggle grounded in the material. Here you're beginning to sound like a cultist. 'Sure, they may be starving, but their souls are pure'.<br /><br />Hell, do you honestly believe that people living under a communist regime become less preoccupied with gain and more concerned with the common good? Ever work with a Russian? They have a pimp scale fixation with tacky displays of wealth and status, and will cut your throat for two pins.<br /><br />And if Joe Average Brit can't finger another state as corrupt, how much less so can a minor functionary for the party that gave us such masterpieces of lese-majeste as the Criminal Justice Act and the invasion of Iraq.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-63628012712881675282010-07-16T17:44:48.180+00:002010-07-16T17:44:48.180+00:00(Loose Red) 14:55
You seem to have strayed away f...(Loose Red) 14:55<br /><br />You seem to have strayed away from the last thing I wrote you asked me a couple of things like the use of anti etc. and why I accused you of being anti Cuba but you are away somewhere else now, why is that I wonder. <br /><br />Let me try again is America’s and your hatred for Cuba based on its human rights record? Is that why ships can go anywhere in the world to any country no matter how bad that country might be without being banned from America for 2 years, except Cuba, go there and you are banned from trading with the biggest consumer in the world for 2 years, I’m beginning to think that I really am wasting my time. <br /><br />Think about why you keep going on about communism? It’s the big bad word isn’t it? it stops you from thinking straight, have you ever considered that there is no country in the world that is communist or capitalist, you are stuck in the fifties and it’s pathetic. <br /><br />BTW people will not want to go to live in Cuba because it is dirt poor but there is a reason for that and it’s not communism but; you are afraid to admit the reason aren’t you.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-51353240479563515892010-07-16T14:55:49.935+00:002010-07-16T14:55:49.935+00:00Thank you for the indulgence.
When I was growing ...Thank you for the indulgence.<br /><br />When I was growing up, there was a continent and a half's worth of Communist states. Now there's one Caribbean island and half of an East Asian peninsula. So I'm not really all that fearful of the spread of communism. I really rather feel that the momentum is in the other direction.<br /><br />As also underlined by the following (from the UN, no less):<br /><br />Tourists to Cuba 2009: 2.43 million.<br /><br />Number of immigrant/immigrant descendants in Cuba 2009: 15,300. Or 0.1% of the population.<br /><br />The 160th lowest total number, and 179th lowest percentage, of immigrants out of 194 countries.<br /><br />Cuba's emigration rate in 2009 was 8.9%. 64th highest rate (and that's with the restrictions on emigration).<br /><br />So what have we learnt? That people like to visit Cuba. For a bit of sun, salsa, mojito, and faux radical revolutionary chic.<br /><br />But not that many people really want to live there.Loose Redhttp://loose-red.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-90443012335276712042010-07-16T14:26:03.397+00:002010-07-16T14:26:03.397+00:00(Anonymous) 12:53
Perhaps they didn’t regard Grea...(Anonymous) 12:53<br /><br />Perhaps they didn’t regard Great Britain as their ‘beloved’ country or maybe they just liked the idea of going somewhere else to live. Most of them coming here as they did from Ireland might have taken the view that they never felt welcome.Perhaps they left when they realised they were banned from becoming the king or Queen. <br /><br />I know that many of them went to other countries and found themselves doing 2 or even 3 jobs to survive. For my part I couldn’t care less about great Britain or any other country you care to name I’m more concerned with people.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-16990270055720939592010-07-16T14:16:27.285+00:002010-07-16T14:16:27.285+00:00(Loose Red) 09:47
“In addition, I don't beliv...(Loose Red) 09:47<br /><br />“In addition, I don't belive that terms such as "anti" or "pro"” <br /><br />“you can't be pro or anti a country”<br /><br />These terms are OK if they are accurate and as for being pro or anti a country? You are now hiding behind semantics. <br /><br />“However, indulging you for a moment: please enlighten me as to the "real reason" for my "anti-Cuba bias".<br /><br />So you don’t know then? I don’t believe you OK? But I will ‘indulge’ you. Cubans are hated and more importantly feared by people who have been buying the American propaganda about them for decades. That stems from America’s irrational fear of the Cuban revolution and it’s achievements. Also the fact that the capitalist countries along with America have failed to bring them down. <br /><br />I believe that people like you have bought the capitalist ideal and fallen for the dream hook line and sinker and Cuba represents all that scares you. You are terrified that communism and the Cuban example will spread and that’s nothing to do with human rights, it’s to do with the fear installed in you by propaganda, there are hundreds of thousands of people who now holiday in Cuba and enjoy it, their minds have been opened.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-64967455850962281202010-07-16T13:58:43.243+00:002010-07-16T13:58:43.243+00:00(cuffleyburgers) 07:26
“if communism is so fantast...(cuffleyburgers) 07:26<br />“if communism is so fantastic why is that people don't do it by themselves, and not at the point of a gun”<br /><br />You seem to be saying that revolutions like the French, the Russian, The American, The Irish, The Cuban etc. etc. were unnecessary. All the people had to do was ask and the rulers of these places and others would have said Ok chaps we don’t agree with you but since we are nice people we will allow you to take over. You are setting new standards of stupidity here which might never be equalled. <br /><br />“all govts are at least a little bit corrupt” <br /><br />You’ve checked that right? <br /><br />“mathematical infact that the more intrusive a government is the more corrupt it will become” “communism has shown this beyond reasonable doubt” <br /><br />You are on a roll here aren’t you? You have checked all this and it is true right? <br /><br />Does the UN know about you?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-51180482181514124562010-07-16T13:42:36.584+00:002010-07-16T13:42:36.584+00:00(He's Spartacus) 15/07/10
“Any idea who said ...(He's Spartacus) 15/07/10<br /><br />“Any idea who said this, Terry?” <br />If I didn’t already know it was V.I. Lenin I would find it in secs. by googling it wouldn’t I.<br /><br />The rest? Supercilious regurgitated C.I.A. nonsense ‘circa’ 19-59/60 aimed at gullible ‘useful idiots’ who are still reciting it like some not very bright parrots.<br /><br />“100 million communist victims, Che helped set up executed over 100,000 people (Che himself was personally responsible for around 14,000), and incarcerated some 350,000 political prisoners”<br /><br />Give credit where it is due; Che and those evil communists were at least very fastidious when it came to dealing in precise tidy numbers weren’t they. <br /><br />You have already lost this argument Che and Fidel are heroes all over the world; people like you are a bit of a laughing stock now.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-36525731095626907132010-07-16T12:53:25.760+00:002010-07-16T12:53:25.760+00:00At any given time there are thousands of people fl...At any given time there are thousands of people fleeing over borders to other countries; I have literally hundreds of relatives in places like America, Canada"<br /><br />I have no idea why ANY of the Kelly clan would not want to live in his beloved GREAT Britain and would wish to flee. Do you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com