tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post81634619990808465..comments2023-05-03T08:42:38.592+00:00Comments on Councillor Terry Kelly: "OH WHAT A TANGLED WEB WE WEAVE, WHEN FIRST WE PRACTICE TO DECEIVE" - SIR WALTER SCOTT.Cllr Terry Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-74067948305484163482009-04-25T16:02:00.000+00:002009-04-25T16:02:00.000+00:00(Declan McBride) 08:20
You are not laughing as mu...(Declan McBride) 08:20<br /><br />You are not laughing as much as the SNP Mr. McBride. <br /><br />Your childlike naivety will sustain them no end. When they come across voting fodder like you they say to each other “see I told you it would work” no one likes to admit that they have been taken in do they?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-55786119493838272992009-04-25T08:20:00.000+00:002009-04-25T08:20:00.000+00:00You are hilarious.
Do you actually read your own ...You are hilarious.<br /><br />Do you actually read your own stuff before you post it.<br /><br />When Labour don't fulfill an election promise it is because there was a good valid reason.<br /><br />When SNP don't fulfill an election promise it was a lie and was never going to happen.<br /><br />You are a cartoon character Terry.<br /><br />God, I'm still laughingDeclan McBridenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-88588177453974456522009-04-24T11:53:00.000+00:002009-04-24T11:53:00.000+00:00I agree there's not much more to say about the leg...I agree there's not much more to say about the legitimate expectations of the electorate other than 'don't have any, they're worthless'. <br /><br />What a cheering thought, having to wait four or five years to take back faulty goods...Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05009967867450131595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-40951156243662495082009-04-24T10:26:00.000+00:002009-04-24T10:26:00.000+00:00As this is your third go at this I think you will ...As this is your third go at this I think you will agree that as there is nothing new being said that it has run its course.<br />I am not of a mind either to regurgitate old arguments about European Referendums. <br />I will be happy to re-engage with you f you can think of something fresh to say.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-17822920350051804872009-04-24T09:27:00.000+00:002009-04-24T09:27:00.000+00:00"They lied to steal votes and people voted for the..."They lied to steal votes and people voted for them because they believed them."<br /><br />No, they simply advanced possible scenarios for things that might happen if they were elected, but, y'know, don't hold your breath. They weren't under any obligation to actually do stuff.<br /><br />Just hypothetically, is promising a never-gonna-happen referendum on Europe in order to shore up your vote against nationalist incursions somehow different to that?<br /><br />"Political parties lying to get votes might be O K in your world, in which case you are welcome to it."<br /><br />It's not ok, but when it's absolutely legitimate - and an acceptable line for the PM to take in the courts - there's not much you can do other than shrug your shoulders and smile wryly at the charade of British democracy. Bon chance, electorate! Who knows if you'll get what you vote for?Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05009967867450131595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-16018000096979726172009-04-23T20:14:00.000+00:002009-04-23T20:14:00.000+00:00Speaking of the new Paisley signs, I was rather be...Speaking of the new Paisley signs, I was rather bemused when, after driving some way into Paisley, I cam upon a sign welcoming me to the town. Has anyone else been puzzled by the apparently random sign opposite the Morrison's petrol station on Lonened?Paulinenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-4567244991148046952009-04-23T19:10:00.000+00:002009-04-23T19:10:00.000+00:00(Allan) 18:00
You will have to make allowances fo...(Allan) 18:00<br /><br />You will have to make allowances for me; if people know who you are because of the photo and the rare name Allan, I will have to assume you are famous but I still haven’t a clue, maybe it’s a generation thing, I’ll ask my kids, if you are that famous they will probably know you.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-20848006291671179062009-04-23T18:00:00.000+00:002009-04-23T18:00:00.000+00:00"And you are?"
I was going to say not anonymous....."And you are?"<br /><br />I was going to say not anonymous... but anonymous no#12 beat me to it.<br /><br />Anonymous No#12 actually makes some valid points about the boy MacKay, its a great pity there's no one really out there fit to lead Renfrewshiree Council, much like at Westminster really.Allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13574173214924437278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-59669891749143345792009-04-23T17:47:00.000+00:002009-04-23T17:47:00.000+00:00I had no idea the "Boay Mackay" had so many enemie...I had no idea the "Boay Mackay" had so many enemies and the number seems to be growing.<br /><br />One rather unkind commentator said about his lack of work experience that he once had a job but he sprained his wrist clocking in and never tried again, I wouldn't of course say a thing like that.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-21081341190060793442009-04-23T17:42:00.000+00:002009-04-23T17:42:00.000+00:00(Hemmerfru) 09:29
They lied to steal votes and peo...(Hemmerfru) 09:29<br />They lied to steal votes and people voted for them because they believed them.<br /><br />Salmond (the spiv) had a list of broken promises long before any meltdown. <br /><br />Political parties lying to get votes might be O K in your world, in which case you are welcome to it.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-87057797810809735582009-04-23T17:36:00.000+00:002009-04-23T17:36:00.000+00:00(Alex) 15:37
I think the confusion might be with y...(Alex) 15:37<br />I think the confusion might be with you; there can be valid reasons for election promises not being kept, it happens all the time and there is normally an identifiable reason for it, war, floods, plague, banking collapse etc. <br />The difference with this and the SNP is that they told people they would do things knowing that they would never be able to carry them out. The word for that is lies.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-21994656177348510612009-04-23T15:37:00.000+00:002009-04-23T15:37:00.000+00:00Terry,
You are on one hand saying that breking an...Terry,<br /><br />You are on one hand saying that breking an election promise is lying to the people.<br /><br />You have admitted that Labour have not fulfilled all of their election promises and yet you have said they have never lied.<br /><br />You are clearly confused.Alexnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-55949405012545434242009-04-23T12:43:00.000+00:002009-04-23T12:43:00.000+00:00I don't think you could say Allan is anonymous Mr ...I don't think you could say Allan is anonymous Mr Kelly, if you click on his Dalek logo you will then see his profile and links to his sites. Amazing this new technology isn't it, beats the days when you would just be sitting playing with your Action Man.<br /><br />You are right with regard to Derek MacKay, a wee boay, never worked in his life, out of his depth as leader of the SNP on the council. Only he never got the job re Salmond, he got it by surrounding himself with other useless numpties, who were promised and given the positions they wanted, in return for their help in backstabbing anyone who he considered a threat. That is why the SNP is so weak in Renfrewshire Council, it is run by numpties and if anyone not in this clique wanted to challenge this they can't because they would not have the support because all the decent folk have left.<br /><br />MacKay should be called photocopier as he doesn't have an original idea in his head. All he does is copy everyone else. Ever noticed when he is speaking Mr Kelly, his hand movements, copied from Blair and Brown. I have seen him twice recently, the last time at the Seniors Forum. Very poor, just waffles a lot of nonsense, forgets that we are older and not as stupid as he thinks. I think that the best thing that councillor MacKay can do for himself, and the people of Renfrewshire, is to go and get a job and grow up as the people are sick to the teeth with the kind of politics that he is trying to copy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-33027152178744079702009-04-23T11:38:00.000+00:002009-04-23T11:38:00.000+00:00Mr Kelly,
I have a driving job in Paisley, so I dr...Mr Kelly,<br />I have a driving job in Paisley, so I drive about the town all day long, what has caught my attention is the new Paisley signs, they appear to have replaced the "Paisley Pattern" with the “Paisley squiggle”, what is going on, how much has this cost us and why do it, the "Paisley Pattern" is recognised the world over, this black mess is now suppose to help in regenerating this town, this has all the hall marks of that little arrogant sell a facing wee boay who runs this town, to be honest I take back everything I said about the former Labour Council, we have a little upstart, who hasn't even started shaving telling us how to run out town, he doesn't even stay in Paisley.<br /><br />This new public relations initiative will come back to haunt the Nats.<br /><br />The “Mackay Paisley squiggle” is going down faster than the support<br />For this inept Administration.<br /><br />Mr Kelly is it too late for the Labour Party to do anything about this.<br /><br />Tom<br />Driver from Paisley.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-33678327700548938472009-04-23T09:29:00.000+00:002009-04-23T09:29:00.000+00:00"Telling lies to get someone’s vote is not underha..."Telling lies to get someone’s vote is not underhand?"<br /><br />They haven't told lies, they've made pledges which you had no right to expect them to fulfill. It's all perfectly legitimate!<br /><br />"Why then did they vote for them?"<br /><br />A reaction to pooor governance by the previous administration? Tribalism? The same reasons Labour picked up a huge majority in 1997, I'd guess, and the same reason the Tories will win the next general election.<br /><br />"You can if you vote Labour but; wars, famine, pestilence, floods, plagues, depressions, revolutions etc. can derail plans and promises."<br /><br />What's the quote? "Events, dear boy, events"... I'm sure Alex Salmond would say similar things, what with the meltdown in the economy affecting the SNP too and everything. <br /><br />But hey! It's not as though anything untoward has happened - there's no reason at all that promises made have to be kept, or that the electorate should expect them to be kept. Ah well, there's nothing we can do: it'll all come out in the wash at the ballot box at the end of their full, uninterrupted term in office. So chin up til then, voters!Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05009967867450131595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-32107035216776929562009-04-23T08:24:00.000+00:002009-04-23T08:24:00.000+00:00(Allan) 22/04/09
“interesting to see all these an...(Allan) 22/04/09<br /><br />“interesting to see all these anonymous comments”<br /><br />And you are?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-70775303288454752332009-04-23T08:18:00.000+00:002009-04-23T08:18:00.000+00:00Yes & NoYes & NoCllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-37788908640000319392009-04-23T07:56:00.000+00:002009-04-23T07:56:00.000+00:00Terry,
Are you saying that Labour have never told...Terry,<br /><br />Are you saying that Labour have never told lies and that they have fulfilled every election promise that they ever made?Alexnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-12198816858036958542009-04-22T19:13:00.000+00:002009-04-22T19:13:00.000+00:00Research! Coming from you!!!!
I think your tinpo...Research! Coming from you!!!!<br /><br />I think your tinpot argument about broken promises was crushed... oooh the moment Alistair Darling stood up this afternoon.<br /><br />No more boom and bust - aye right!<br /><br />"We will not raise income tax" - unless we make a horlicks of the economy.<br /><br />By the way, interesting to see all these anonymous comments, not really sure what Ms Cameron's singing skills have to do with running RC's Education department, but there you go.Allanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13574173214924437278noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-66135934829242929932009-04-22T17:55:00.000+00:002009-04-22T17:55:00.000+00:00“They haven't done anything underhand”
Telling l...“They haven't done anything underhand” <br /><br />Telling lies to get someone’s vote is not underhand? That’s novel at least, have you ever thought about a career in nationalist politics? <br /><br />“which nobody could have had reasonable expectations of them fulfilling”<br /><br />Why then did they vote for them? <br /><br />“I can't legitimately expect the things I voted for to actually happen”<br /><br />You can if you vote Labour but; wars, famine, pestilence, floods, plagues, depressions, revolutions etc. can derail plans and promises.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-19532470770012887852009-04-22T17:43:00.000+00:002009-04-22T17:43:00.000+00:00(Anonymous) 21/04/09
These stories are all over th...(Anonymous) 21/04/09<br />These stories are all over the place at the moment; the glue holding them together is of course money but for how long? There is a malaise at the heart of the Refrewshire SNP / Lib. Dem. Administration; there is genuine hatred among them for each other and it is getting harder to conceal.<br /><br />Several of them resent the fact that Cllr. Mackay whom everyone sees as a wet behind the ears ‘boay’ has been promoted in to the sun which shines out of Alex (the spiv’s) a**e, while the Lib/Dems. are prepared to do and say anything which they think will benefit them personally, they don’t stand for or believe in anything. <br /><br />Definitely not the kind of people you want to be behind.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-82310116451255141422009-04-22T15:51:00.000+00:002009-04-22T15:51:00.000+00:00They haven't done anything underhand though - they...They haven't done anything underhand though - they've merely made pledges which nobody could have had reasonable expectations of them fulfilling and then not fulfilled them. What's the big deal? <br /><br />That naive idiot was me, but I've had a rethink. If I can't legitimately expect the things I voted for to actually happen, I might as well let everything just wash over me - there's no point getting het up about it, is there?Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05009967867450131595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-2983564892149755372009-04-22T14:56:00.000+00:002009-04-22T14:56:00.000+00:00(Hemmerfru) 09:51
Political Parties can lie to the...(Hemmerfru) 09:51<br />Political Parties can lie to the electorate as the SNP have done and all the people can do is vote against them and do what they can to stop them from being re-elected. <br /><br />I remember some time ago on this blog some idiot was suggesting that these pledges should be enshrined in law, was that you? <br /><br />The SNP have to decide for themselves how responsible they intend to be for their promises/lies, we are not ‘thank god’ obliged to behave in the same way.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-26508968329786048852009-04-22T14:47:00.000+00:002009-04-22T14:47:00.000+00:00I am not aware of this but, I will make enquiries ...I am not aware of this but, I will make enquiries about it.<br /><br />On the subject of South and Lochfield Schools there was an article in yesterday’s Paisley Daily Express about this which you will find interesting, I also intend to post an article today on the blog which I hope will also interest you.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-22563867706406714532009-04-22T09:51:00.000+00:002009-04-22T09:51:00.000+00:00Why the outrage? After all, "manifesto pledges are...Why the outrage? After all, "manifesto pledges are not subject to legitimate expectation". The SNP had no real responsibility to deliver on their promises.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05009967867450131595noreply@blogger.com