tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post7895487283207791200..comments2023-05-03T08:42:38.592+00:00Comments on Councillor Terry Kelly: JENA LOUISIANA AMERICA'S SHAMECllr Terry Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-69120754459365326542007-10-15T14:18:00.000+00:002007-10-15T14:18:00.000+00:00(AL) - Mason Boyne was an anti catholic bigot, lik...(AL) - Mason Boyne was an anti catholic bigot, like you, where did I say you were a Protestant ?<BR/><BR/>You came on to this blog attacking Catholic Schools and claiming that they were the cause of sectarianism in Scotland.<BR/><BR/>I'm going to ask you this question again for the third or fourth time, if Catholic Schools are the cause of sectarianism in Scotland as you allege, why is it that Scotland is the only place with this problem ? This is your last chance.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-47397287593425793772007-10-12T23:51:00.000+00:002007-10-12T23:51:00.000+00:00Terry,No answer to anything other than rebuke and ...Terry,<BR/><BR/>No answer to anything other than rebuke and to confirm that your comments have no foundation.<BR/><BR/>Do you deny that the catholic church has a massive history of sexual abuse throughout its establishments. Are 2 million plus internet articles wrong.<BR/><BR/>Do non-denominational schools and others religious establishments have similar records<BR/><BR/>Please show me the links that show a similar volume of discussion.<BR/><BR/>You cannot answer this and therefore resort to writing bigoted mince.<BR/><BR/>You deride me for wanting my chldren to integrate with children of other faiths - why?<BR/><BR/>You really have serious sectarian issues.<BR/><BR/>Have you looked at the Equality act of 2006 yet and how this allows the catholic church to discriminate and impose apartheid.<BR/><BR/>You are a shameful bigot and probably are not worthy of much further conversation as you cannot see beyond yourself and you certainly have no interest in the in the integration of all children in a society where they can mix and live together.<BR/><BR/>By the way your "Mason Boyne" comments are just silly and bigoted as you have automatically assumed that I am Protestant..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-9261576923495534062007-10-12T14:50:00.000+00:002007-10-12T14:50:00.000+00:00(AL) It didn't take long to rumble you did it ? "...(AL) It didn't take long to rumble you did it ? "I said that catholic schools all over the world were not problem." Lie - I said that catholic schools exist all over the world and the sectarian problem only exists in Scotland why ? It would appear in your tiny bigoted world that only the Catholic Church has a history of abuse (mainly sexual) Also in that little twisted world you inhabit the Catholic Church regards non Catholics as "unclean"<BR/><BR/>"I welcome the prospect of my children sharing their educational lives with children of other faiths" I pity your children, religious bigotry is renowned for it's blindness, like this statement.<BR/><BR/>"I support segregation and Apartheid" another measured comment right ?<BR/><BR/>You regard me as a "lazy biased bigot" I'm delighted to let others decide who the bigot is.<BR/><BR/>You also say as your parting well thought out argument that "I am not very intelligent" well what do you expect ? I am, after all, a Catholic. <BR/><BR/>So 'Mason Boyne' would you like to try again ? If Catholic schools are responsible for sectarianism why is it only Scotland that has the problem ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-20796428751124727562007-10-11T18:51:00.000+00:002007-10-11T18:51:00.000+00:00Terry,Read the provision of the equality act 2006 ...Terry,<BR/><BR/>Read the provision of the equality act 2006 and come back when you know what you are talking about.<BR/><BR/>Also you mention Catholic schools all over the world not being a problem.<BR/><BR/>Do you dismiss the fact that the Catholic religion has a horrendous record of abuse (mostly sexual)at its establishments.<BR/><BR/>Try googling "catholic school abuse" and you will have enough reading material to keep you going until doomsday - so much for being set up for protection.<BR/><BR/>If you can't accept this I will post you a daily article on some of these stories as I reckon that you are too lazy to do any real research into anything.<BR/><BR/>Can you answer why the RC church would insist on having separate staff rooms and separate pupil/visitor entrances. It feels that they could not accept the prospect of sharing with what they feel as the unclean.<BR/><BR/>I welcome the prospect of my children sharing their educational lives with children of other faiths and feel that we must travel out of the dark age and into a future where all children can integrate.<BR/><BR/>You on the other hand seem to support segregation and what can only be described as apartheid within our educational system.<BR/><BR/>I have you down as a lazy biased bigot who would do anything to protect his religion - right or wrong.<BR/><BR/>Incidentally, I now must agree with my fellow posters.<BR/><BR/>You are not very intelligent!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-59458108733012596472007-10-10T15:32:00.000+00:002007-10-10T15:32:00.000+00:00Anon - "This is interesting" if it was as you say...Anon - "This is interesting" if it was as you say 'interesting' why are you talking about something else, this argument between (AL) and me is about whether Catholic schools are the cause of Sectarianism in Scotland, he says they are I say they are not.<BR/><BR/>Catholic schools were created because Catholics were subjected to religious discrimination in the Scottish education system.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-72914032715204276652007-10-10T15:21:00.000+00:002007-10-10T15:21:00.000+00:00(carol) - What does any of this have to do with my...(carol) - What does any of this have to do with my argument with (AL) who accuses the C.C. of promoting Apartheid, Bigotry and Segregation, and being the cause of sectarianism in Scotland, I say they are not the cause, I say that Scotland is a sectarian, racist country that's the cause. <BR/><BR/>My understanding is that Catholic schools don't have the right to turn down pupils because they are not baptised Catholics. You seem to have overlooked the reason for having Catholic Schools. We have Catholic schools to ensure that Catholic children get a proper education which they were not getting and to make sure that they are not discriminated against which they were.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-4536686411226047892007-10-10T15:04:00.000+00:002007-10-10T15:04:00.000+00:00(AL) - You haven't answered my questions on why t...(AL) - You haven't answered my questions on why these things only cause controversy here in Scotland and nowhere else, why is C.C. The cause of sectarianism here and nowhere else ? You started by writing to me accusing the Catholic Church of Apartheid, Bigotry and Segregation. That makes you a sectarian Bigot. <BR/><BR/>Accusing me of being unable to read simply means you have lost.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-27344456676272993992007-10-09T19:40:00.000+00:002007-10-09T19:40:00.000+00:00This is interesting.Why do all the other religions...This is interesting.<BR/><BR/>Why do all the other religions in Scotland go to non-denominational schools but the Catholic religion gets the government to pay for a separate education for them.<BR/><BR/>Shouldn't this be a private fee paying school if people want the choice of going to a prticular school. It is most other places of the western worldAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-12637268436408956542007-10-09T19:37:00.000+00:002007-10-09T19:37:00.000+00:00Why should a catholic school funded by tax payers ...Why should a catholic school funded by tax payers money have the right to refuse a school placement on the grounds of the pupil not being a baptised catholic.<BR/><BR/>I have also read research that suggests that almost 40% of catholic children attending denominational catholic schools are not baptised catholics.<BR/><BR/>It would seem to be suggesting that there is not a real need for separate schools and that this is just a waste of taxpayers moneyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-56890531283483773542007-10-09T19:28:00.000+00:002007-10-09T19:28:00.000+00:00Terry,You have misread or maybe you cannot read pr...Terry,<BR/><BR/>You have misread or maybe you cannot read properly. I would suggest watching a few series of "on the move". It was made for people such as yourself<BR/><BR/>I said that I agreed with you on most other things in point 7 apart from the thing about the Pope at the football.<BR/><BR/>you appear to have dimissed this and went on another rant in defence of Neil Lennon etc.<BR/>I have no objection to catholic scrossing themselves, using rosary beads, doing Hail Marys and anything that lets themselves feel much better about themselves.<BR/><BR/>In the same way as I feel about the ways of other religions expressing themselves. My point always has been that school apartheid is unnecessary except in the eyes of the catholic churchAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-72658154030633843072007-10-09T14:46:00.000+00:002007-10-09T14:46:00.000+00:00Al. - Here's what you said "the catholic religion ...Al. - Here's what you said "the catholic religion creates a framework of apartheid, bigotry and segregation"<BR/>1/ read the above quote 2/ already dealt with. 3/ you assume you would be turned down then. 4/ Catholic schools exist to prevent anti Catholic discrimination. 5/ The integration of catholic schools to suit the argument of someone who writes as you do (see Q1) would be a victory for sectarian bigotry. 6/ see Q1. 7/ stop wriggling - the questions which you can't / won't answer are why can players cross themselves all over the world but not here, why Lennon was treated as he was, whether the pope had anything to do with football is a red herring, why was it a problem and, last but not least why are Catholic schools acceptable all over the world, why they are not a problem all over the world but they are here.<BR/><BR/>Try again without lies of omission. And be brief, please.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-69853196962163211272007-10-09T14:44:00.000+00:002007-10-09T14:44:00.000+00:00Al. - Here's what you said "the catholic religion ...Al. - Here's what you said "the catholic religion creates a framework of apartheid, bigotry and segregation"<BR/>1/ read the above quote 2/ already dealt with. 3/ you assume you would be turned down then. 4/ Catholic schools exist to prevent anti Catholic discrimination. 5/ The integration of catholic schools to suit the argument of someone who writes as you do (see Q1) would be a victory for sectarian bigotry. 6/ see Q1. 7/ stop wriggling - the questions which you can't / won't answer are why can players cross themselves all over the world but not here, why Lennon was treated as he was, whether the pope had anything to do with football is a red herring, why was it a problem and, last but not least why are Catholic schools acceptable all over the world, why they are not a problem all over the world but they are here.<BR/><BR/>Try again without lies of omission. And be brief, please.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-21994005986851051422007-10-09T11:28:00.000+00:002007-10-09T11:28:00.000+00:00Terry,If I were a bigot, why would I want to see m...Terry,<BR/><BR/>If I were a bigot, why would I want to see my children integrated with children of other faiths. Surely I would want them kept away and segregated as they are now.<BR/><BR/>Did you know that the equality act of 2006 actually allows catholic schools to discriminate against placement of children of other faiths in their schools. It even goes as far as to say that the school does not have to provide free bus transport if the child placed is not catholic.<BR/><BR/>This is surely blatant discrimination.<BR/><BR/>But to answer your points<BR/><BR/>1. As before, If I wer a bigot then why do I wish to integrate.<BR/>2.Merely by segregating children of a faith you are teaching them that they are different.<BR/>3. As above, catholic schools are legally allowed to discriminate against children of other faiths. read the Equality Act.<BR/>4. You are not seriously telling me that the only reason why the state funds this type of segregation (at huge cost) is because of a bullying problem.<BR/>Taking the religious element out of both catholic and non-denominational school would let children of all faiths integrate together. The individual religions should then cater for their own religious education through the chapel or church or whatever.<BR/>5.The integration of schools would be a victory for common sense and a boost for the economy in doing away with expense of school duplication.<BR/>6. Again you do not make any sense here. How can people who want their children to integrate with others be described as bigots.<BR/>7. Here I do agree with you on most points with the exception of that I really don't understand why the death of any religious leader should be marked at a football ground. For me, the only such markings should be related to people involved in football where it then has a relevance.<BR/><BR/>I am struggling to remember the Pope having an active involvement in the sport and for this reason I can't concur.<BR/><BR/>I read with amazement about the stance that the catholic church took against the proposal for mixed campus developments in North Lanarkshire. This <BR/><BR/>The reason that the development was opposed by the RC church was because they did not have separate staff rooms and separate visitor/pupil entrances.<BR/><BR/>What has that got to do with education?<BR/><BR/>If that is not a wish for apartheid then what is?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-83402152640490788262007-10-08T16:31:00.000+00:002007-10-08T16:31:00.000+00:00RFS - I couldn't have told you whether Sharpton ma...RFS - I couldn't have told you whether Sharpton marched in Selma or not but along with others I identify him with the civil rights movement at that time but if we are being literal again well. <BR/><BR/>Accusing me of screaming 'racist' is that like people screaming 'anti Semite ?'Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-70743993830232201802007-10-08T15:56:00.000+00:002007-10-08T15:56:00.000+00:00No Terry, I am pointing out that you are yet again...No Terry, I am pointing out that you are yet again showing that you have scant regard for facts when it comes to your posts and I would advise any one reading this to do their own research.<BR/><BR/>I have no doubt that you trust your sources but it comes down to that same old chestnut Terry, you keep getting the simplest facts wrong and you don't cite and provide links to your sources therefor what you publish is not worth the energy to click "submit".<BR/><BR/>Indeed the best you can come up with is to scream "Racist" and hope that everyone else shuts up in embarrassment. Problem is that people like you have used that too often and the rest of the world now recognise it for the cheap "get out of jail free" card that it is.<BR/><BR/>And for the record: "a blast from the past the Rev. Al Sharpton from the Selma and Alabama days with doctor King said...". This clearly shows you thought Sharpton marched with King. Again, just getting things plain wrong when a simple exercises would have confirmed a few things but unfortunately ruined your narrative.RfShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00222230991354683712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-14508399450720173092007-10-08T14:47:00.000+00:002007-10-08T14:47:00.000+00:00Post - Oct 8th. 2,43 pm is for Al.Post - Oct 8th. 2,43 pm is for Al.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-55044113444913050932007-10-08T14:43:00.000+00:002007-10-08T14:43:00.000+00:001/ "What is your stance on the Catholic religion w...1/ "What is your stance on the Catholic religion who create a framework of apartheid, bigotry and segregation." That's a nice balanced start isn't it ? What is your opinion of ignorant sectarian bigots who write comments like this one ? How does that feel ?<BR/>2/ I went to a catholic school and so did my children and none of us were ever taught that we were 'different' <BR/>3/ There was nothing stopping you sending your children to a Catholic school was there, is the Protestant Jesus different from the Catholic one ?<BR/>4/ Costs - some say it's money well spent to make sure catholic children are taught without being victimised, did you know that that's why we have catholic schools ?<BR/>5/ I hope that Scotland will one day be able to let people worship as they see fit without it being a source of trouble and, as such, banning Catholic schools would be an admission of defeat and a victory for the bigots. <BR/>6/ "this would reduce the sectarian problem that we particularly see in Scotland" Bigots have been hiding behind this fig leaf for decades.<BR/>7/ Scotland as you rightly say is a sectarian country, racist as well, perhaps you could explain how catholic schools exist all over the world without problems but in Scotland it's divisive ? Why was Scotland the only country in the world where the death of the late Pope could not be marked at football grounds ? Why is Scotland the only country in the world where a player making the sign of the cross can cause outrage ? Explain the outpouring of hatred and poison which greeted Neil Lennon when he touched the ball and this was everywhere in Scotland.<BR/><BR/>You have more questions to answer than me don't you think ? At the moment I have you down as a sectarian bigot.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-76942972070779771732007-10-08T09:23:00.000+00:002007-10-08T09:23:00.000+00:00Terry,A little off topic but still on the subject ...Terry,<BR/><BR/>A little off topic but still on the subject of bigotry/ apartheid etc.<BR/><BR/>What is your stance on the catholic religion who create a framework of apartheid, bigotry and segregation by separating their children from children of other faiths at primary school age.<BR/><BR/>Surely they are telling their children that they are different from others and in so doing creating a state funded apartheid situation.<BR/><BR/>My children grew up through playgroup and nursery and made friends with many catholic children. They and I could not understand then why the other children were the separated when it came to school.<BR/><BR/>Surely the cost to the state for the upkeep and duplication of many schools must be fairly enormous only to bow to the wants and needs of a religion.<BR/><BR/>I believe that religion should be kept out of schools and be placed in the reponsibility of the Church and Chapel, therfore allowing all children to grow and mix together in the most important part of their lives which is their educational years.<BR/><BR/>Surely this would have a major impact on reducing the sectarian problem that we particulary see in Scotland.<BR/><BR/>Interested in your opinion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-51957416670013953132007-10-05T14:09:00.000+00:002007-10-05T14:09:00.000+00:00RFS - What is all this designed to prove ?Does thi...RFS - What is all this designed to prove ?<BR/><BR/>Does this mean that Al Sharpton wasn't/couldn't have been around in the civil rights movement at the time of Selma and Alabama, my understanding is that Sharpton along with countless thousands of black youths were politicised by what happened at Selma and after.<BR/><BR/>Do you say something different ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-21920270780185260032007-10-05T13:54:00.000+00:002007-10-05T13:54:00.000+00:00RFS - I don't much care about your sources because...RFS - I don't much care about your sources because like you I trust my own. <BR/><BR/>I didn't report anything said by Jackson and I didn't report anything about the incident said by Sharpton.<BR/><BR/>You continue to have no regard for the truth and, lazy to boot, go read it again, and see if you can admit that you are wrong here.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-10877799865605015722007-10-05T13:46:00.000+00:002007-10-05T13:46:00.000+00:00Henry Crun - you have no shame, a typical white S....Henry Crun - you have no shame, a typical white S.A. Supremacist - soldiers shot people dead in Soweto, it was in all the news maybe in your twisted world it's OK to shoot people if you are a policeman.<BR/><BR/>I've already explained, I'm not interested in a person's colour, race or creed, clearly for white S.A.s it's an obsession.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-68996917717324022232007-10-05T12:36:00.000+00:002007-10-05T12:36:00.000+00:00Anon - "exporting bile ?" my argument is with Amer...Anon - "exporting bile ?" my argument is with America/israel not Americans and Israelis - do you have trouble grasping that ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-63125396194183314972007-10-04T11:42:00.000+00:002007-10-04T11:42:00.000+00:00Also factally suspect is your claim that Sharpton ...Also factally suspect is your claim that Sharpton was "a blast from the past...from the Selma and Alabama days with doctor King"<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Sharpton" REL="nofollow">source</A><BR/><BR/>Quote:<BR/>In 1969, Sharpton was appointed by Jesse Jackson as youth director of Operation Breadbasket, a group that focused on the promotion of new and better jobs for African-Americans.[18]<BR/><BR/>In 1971, Sharpton founded the National Youth Movement to raise resources for impoverished youth.[19]<BR/><BR/><BR/>Howard Beach<BR/>On December 20, 1986, three African-American men were assaulted in the Howard Beach neighborhood of Queens by a mob of white men. The three men were chased by their attackers onto the Belt Parkway, where one of them, Michael Griffith, was struck and killed by a passing motorist.[20]<BR/><BR/>A week later, on December 27, Sharpton led 1,200 demonstrators on a march through the streets of Howard Beach. Residents of the neighborhood, who were overwhelmingly white, screamed racial epithets at the protesters, who were largely Black.[21] Sharpton's role in the case, which led to the appointment of a special prosecutor by New York Governor Mario Cuomo after the two surviving victims refused to co-operate with the Queens district attorney, helped propel him to national prominence.<BR/>---------------<BR/><BR/>Another example that your presentation of a story should be handled with care.RfShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00222230991354683712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-49509051389666918382007-10-04T11:19:00.000+00:002007-10-04T11:19:00.000+00:00I am not talking about MLK, I have never mentioned...I am not talking about MLK, I have never mentioned him, nor am I a dupe for anyone. <BR/><BR/>The only dupe here is the person who wrote about a story without citing his sources and managed to get almost all the important facts wrong because he reported verbatim what Sharpton and Jackson have been saying.RfShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00222230991354683712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-44523418778985586162007-10-04T07:32:00.000+00:002007-10-04T07:32:00.000+00:00"Who shot all those black people in Soweto in 19 7..."Who shot all those black people in Soweto in 19 76 then ? You're a liar in the service of Apartheid."<BR/><BR/>The Police. The Army never were involved in the quelling of any riots in the townships. It was civil unrest and therefore the police were left to deal with it.<BR/><BR/>Hint: they are the ones in the blue uniforms, the army were the ones in the khaki uniforms.<BR/><BR/>But don't let that cloud your already jaundiced view.<BR/><BR/>PS. Lydia, my Zulu wife says "hi"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com