tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post7342042151797982580..comments2023-05-03T08:42:38.592+00:00Comments on Councillor Terry Kelly: 65 YEARS AGO YESTERDAY - WASN'T THAT A TIME?Cllr Terry Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-77855851679668715522010-02-02T12:19:37.690+00:002010-02-02T12:19:37.690+00:00(bbcc1234aa) 02/02/10
All of your highly subjectiv...(bbcc1234aa) 02/02/10<br />All of your highly subjective arguments have been addressed over and over again. You are merely regurgitating the Israel line: what is the point of that? <br /><br />Does Israel have the right to occupy Palestine and build settlements on Arab land? A simple yes or no will suffice.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-10320467087982877972010-02-02T12:13:48.492+00:002010-02-02T12:13:48.492+00:00(bbcc1234aa) 02/02/10
You can try as many lies as ...(bbcc1234aa) 02/02/10<br />You can try as many lies as you like: I am not an anti Semite: those who defend Israel’s brutality against the Palestinians will continue to call me that because they are forced to defend the indefensible and they substitute the foul anti Semite jibe in place of srgument.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-32218534692832348052010-02-02T12:07:47.956+00:002010-02-02T12:07:47.956+00:00I have rarely come across such a blatant bunch of ...I have rarely come across such a blatant bunch of twisted lies in one document: every corrupt: fraudulent distortion you can think of is in here: you are contemptible as well as being an arrogant pompous fool: let people who read this c**p decide for themselves.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-65310126625786374272010-02-02T00:21:43.440+00:002010-02-02T00:21:43.440+00:00Councillor Kelly
You said:
"Did these and o...Councillor Kelly<br /><br />You said:<br /><br />"Did these and other brutal regimes kill women and old people and children in a way which was worse than Israel is doing in Gaza?" <br /><br />Israel a brutal regime? surely you are mistaken. Hamas is a brutal regime as is that of their Iranian paymasters. <br />Hamas is opposed to peace with Israel in any circumstances - The destruction of Israel is written in their charter. In pursuit of that goal Hamas use the most evil forms of violence to destroy the peace process - Including suicide bombing that deliberately targets innocent women and children and the daily firing of Katyushas and Kassam missiles at Israeli civilian population centres, rocket attacks that continue to this day. Hamas does this hiding behind a human shield of Palestinian women and children.<br />In Gaza Hamas uses murder, oppression, brutality as political tools against all Palestinians who oppose Hamas and to control the dwindling number of Palestinians who support them.<br /><br />Nice people you choose to support, Councillor.<br /><br /><br />Let's rephrase the question..... In *your opinion* does Israel have a right to exist? A simple yes or no will suffice.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05443106604602614006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-30955495727318414442010-02-02T00:20:57.844+00:002010-02-02T00:20:57.844+00:00Councillor Terry Kelly said:
"Are these Afri...Councillor Terry Kelly said:<br /><br />"Are these African Carribeans or muslims occupying someone else’s land? Destroying their culture?... Murdering their children? Turning their land into a huge prison: denying them health care?... " Taking their homes? Depriving them of their livlihoods?<br /><br /><br />There are people who say exactly that, Mr Kelly. We call them racists and bigots. Debate is good isn’t it?<br /><br /><br /><br />You say the people you refer to as "these people" and "they" are all the people who have lied about you and tried to intimidate you because of your support for Palestine. You say ‘they’ are the people who have been sending antisemitic comments to various Zionist sites in your name and encouraging others to attack you.<br /><br />Mr Kelly, you believe that everyone who takes a contrary stance to you or is offended by *some* of your comments is involved in a "Zionist" conspiracy to discredit you. <br /><br />You frequently accuse "these people" of lying about you but you never, as far as I can tell, defend your accusations with proof of their many lies. What lies have people told about you, councillor Kelly?<br /><br />The comments you claim were made by your impersonator were "anti-Semitic" yet the posts I read were virtually indistingushable from posts made by *you* on your blog.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05443106604602614006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-65790216410157901672010-02-02T00:20:15.387+00:002010-02-02T00:20:15.387+00:00Councillor Kelly you quoted.....
“anyone who disa...Councillor Kelly you quoted.....<br /><br />“anyone who disagrees with Israel is anti Semitic!”<br /><br />and replied.....<br /><br />"What else can I call this except a deliberate lie? "<br /><br />The quote “anyone who disagrees with Israel is anti Semitic!” is yours not mine and is most frequently used by those who wish to pass blatently antisemitic comments off as legitimate criticism of Israel. <br />Comments such as "Zionism is an evil creed it justifies any crime in the name of Israel" and "kill approx. 230 Palestinian men women and children for every dead Israeli; the Nazis used to do that: have you no shame?" (in response to the question how should Israel heroically struggle against the rockets that rain down on their heads) or accusations that anyone who defends Israel is a zionist war criminal.<br /><br />I've never seen anyone in taking a contrary position to the ill informed garbage and half truths posted about Israel on sites like this claim that “anyone who disagrees with Israel is anti Semitic!”.<br /><br />Can you for example explain how the comment below can in any way be regarded as legitimate criticsm of Israel?<br /><br />"kill approx. 230 Palestinian men women and children for every dead Israeli; the Nazis used to do that: have you no shame?"<br /><br />You say: "the Nazis used to do that". The Nazis used to do what? Kill 230 Palestinian men women and children for every dead Nazi?<br /> <br />Or are you equating the systematic state-sponsored extermination of six million European Jews during World War II by Nazi Germany WITH a three-week military conflict between Israel (in response to 8 years of daily rocket attacks) and Hamas of which Colonel Richard Kemp CBE said: "The IDF did more to safeguard the rights of civilians in a combat zone than any other Army in the history of warfare" -<br /><br />http://www.jcpa.org/JCPA/Templates/ShowPage.asp?DRIT=0&DBID=1&LNGID=1&TMID=111&FID=378&PID=0&IID=3026&TTL=International_Law_and_Military_Operations_in_Practice.<br /><br />Or are you comparing Gaza:<br /> <br /><br />http://i45.tinypic.com/2iapkq1.jpg<br /><br />http://i49.tinypic.com/25ji2hw.jpg<br /><br />http://i46.tinypic.com/34hbevp.jpg<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />....to a Nazi concentration camp:<br /><br /> <br />http://i50.tinypic.com/2mn0wly.jpg<br /><br />http://i47.tinypic.com/29kxlat.jpg<br /><br />http://i50.tinypic.com/2ed592c.jpg<br /><br /><br />Councillor Kelly, why mention Nazis? Unless your intention was to taunt Jews with their suffering?<br /><br />You said:<br /><br />"To bring Jews to settle in a new country called Israel meant that the people who lived there had to move out to accommodate them"<br /><br />Your implication that Jews arrived en mass in Israel in 1948 is, to be polite, misinformed. In the 8th, 9th and 11th centuries there were major Jewish communities in Jerusalem, Tiberias, Jaffa, Ashkelon, Caesarea and Rafah. Since the 1890's Jerusalem has had a Jewish majority. In 1935 there were 400,000 Jews living in Mandatory Palestine. In 1945 there were over 600,000 Jews living in Mandatory Palestine. <br />Today 2.5 million Jewish citizens of Israel can trace their ancestry to Muslim and Arab lands. Their ancestors merely migrated from one corner of the Arab world to Israel. In the 1940's-50's over 1 million Jews in 10 Arab countries were stripped of their rights, dispossessed of their property and forced to leave their homelands. Today in total only 4,500 Jews remain in all of the Arab countries.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05443106604602614006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-38108843642016265632010-02-01T19:49:54.799+00:002010-02-01T19:49:54.799+00:00'Britsh General Election dont choose a PM.'...'Britsh General Election dont choose a PM.'<br /><br />Labour were elected because Blair was Leader and people thought he would be a great PM. <br /><br />If you believe otherwise, tell nurse to increase your medication immediately.<br /><br />Having settled that, your thoughts on Pol Pot are...?Byecknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-1368291759235233762010-02-01T16:46:04.016+00:002010-02-01T16:46:04.016+00:00All the American presidents were democratically el...All the American presidents were democratically elected so what does that prove? You name 4 who apparently don’t come up to your high standards: how about Bush 1 Bush 2 Reagan and Nixon? <br /><br />Gordon Brown? You are showing your ignorance: British General Elections do not choose a Prime Minister political parties do that, always happy to help.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-83941141769308762432010-02-01T16:21:53.135+00:002010-02-01T16:21:53.135+00:00Councillor,
You support Hamas because they were de...Councillor,<br />You support Hamas because they were democratically elected.<br /><br />Mugabe was also democratically elected, along with Kharzai, Saddam and Ahmadinejad.<br /><br />Presumably all of these also enjoy, or enjoyed, your support and for the same reason?<br /><br />Suspect this kind of thinking could give you a problem supporting the democratically unelected Gordon Brown?Byecknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-57212218365538992632010-02-01T13:35:57.716+00:002010-02-01T13:35:57.716+00:00(Anonymous) 31/01/10
Having been democratically el...(Anonymous) 31/01/10<br />Having been democratically elected to rule in Gaza they have my support.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-10146607716231616302010-01-31T22:51:30.327+00:002010-01-31T22:51:30.327+00:00Do you support Hamas?Do you support Hamas?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-45724178972257631052010-01-31T15:04:34.873+00:002010-01-31T15:04:34.873+00:00(John the Baptist) 10:43
It’s difficult to ignore ...(John the Baptist) 10:43<br />It’s difficult to ignore them but: they certainly appear to be as you describe them.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-31464621879359099682010-01-31T15:02:18.681+00:002010-01-31T15:02:18.681+00:00(Anonymous) 31/01/10
I print everything that is pr...(Anonymous) 31/01/10<br />I print everything that is printable and well you! know that.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-13511514230858385352010-01-31T15:00:07.738+00:002010-01-31T15:00:07.738+00:00A complete red herring: either stupid or dishonest...A complete red herring: either stupid or dishonest. I have never called for a boycott of Jewish businesses: I called for a boycott of Israel: just as many people did to Apartheid South Africa. <br /><br />I advocate the same for Apartheid Israel.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-4778417808085784852010-01-31T14:54:06.896+00:002010-01-31T14:54:06.896+00:00(Anonymous) 31/01/10
You appear to be saying that ...(Anonymous) 31/01/10<br />You appear to be saying that Israel is guilty but not as guilty as the above because Israel hasn’t caught up with the numbers yet: a very sinister and worrying position.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-38927880276424710222010-01-31T14:51:00.848+00:002010-01-31T14:51:00.848+00:00(Byeck) 30/01/10
I prefer the one about changing w...(Byeck) 30/01/10<br />I prefer the one about changing water into wine but: let’s imagine the story were true. Does that make it OK for a Jewish family who have lived for generations in Britain for instance to go to Palestine and take the land and home from a Palestinian who’s family had lived there for generations. Because the Jewish guy’s ancestors lived there 1,700/1,800 years ago?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-60980047887803158052010-01-31T10:43:09.767+00:002010-01-31T10:43:09.767+00:00I see that the brave cyber stalkers on cif watch a...I see that the brave cyber stalkers on cif watch are on your case. Those people will bend over backwards to excuse Israel's atrocities against Palestinians, you must ignore the vile creatures.John the Baptistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-85447759287924115382010-01-31T00:34:26.563+00:002010-01-31T00:34:26.563+00:00PS there are comments missing on this thread and w...PS there are comments missing on this thread and well you know it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-6865397947617017382010-01-31T00:33:20.918+00:002010-01-31T00:33:20.918+00:00You might like this;
http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/med...You might like this;<br /><br />http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/media_ph.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005678&MediaId=2677Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-91511251229562623162010-01-31T00:30:24.915+00:002010-01-31T00:30:24.915+00:00So all these were not as bad as the Israel/ Palest...So all these were not as bad as the Israel/ Palestine conflict?<br /><br />Stalin's Russia : 20 000 000 dead<br /><br />Nazi Germany : 20,946,000 dead<br /><br />Khmer Rouge: 600,000 dead<br /><br />Mao's China: Between 50 -70 million dead.<br /><br />Congo: Five million.<br /><br />All nicer places to be than Palestine?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-30542775310017738232010-01-30T20:43:46.753+00:002010-01-30T20:43:46.753+00:00Councillor, there is a story, perhaps apocryphal, ...Councillor, there is a story, perhaps apocryphal, perhaps not, of an Israeli Ambassador to the UN, saying that when Moses led the Jews out of Egypt, into the Promised Land, they stopped to have a swim in the Dead Sea. While swimming, the Arabs stole their clothes. An Arab Ambassador leapt to his feet and shout 'That's a lie! The Arabs weren't there then.' <br />The Israeli, very softly, said, 'My point exactly!'Byecknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-80442308646697018822010-01-30T12:31:00.178+00:002010-01-30T12:31:00.178+00:00(bbcc1234aa) 29/01/10
Perhaps you might consider ...(bbcc1234aa) 29/01/10<br /><br />Perhaps you might consider that this comment finds you committing all the sins that you accuse me of. <br /><br />“Mr Kelly, who are "these people"? Who are "them"?”<br /><br />‘They’ are the people who have lied about me and tried to intimidate me because of my support for Palestine: ‘they’ are the people who have been sending anti Semitic comments to various Zionist sites in my name and encouraging others to attack me. <br /><br />“Does Israel have a right to exist?”<br /><br />Is this another example of what you call debate? Israel ‘de facto’ exists whether I or anyone else likes it or not: Israel is a fact. Perhaps a more honest question from you would have been should Israel have been created? No it shouldn’t. To bring Jews to settle in a new country called Israel meant that the people who lived there had to move out to accommodate them: that is wrong and is the reason that we have never had peace there and we never will. <br /><br />“your statements are no different to those made by any other Bigot when they label all African Caribbeans as criminals or all Muslims terrorists)”<br /><br />Are these African Carribeans or muslims occupying someone else’s land? Destroying their culture? Knocking down their homes? Murdering their children? Turning their land into a huge prison: denying them health care? Clean water? Debate is good isn’t it? <br /><br />“anyone who disagrees with Israel is anti Semitic!”<br /><br />What else can I call this except a deliberate lie? Let me rewrite it for you in a truthful way, Anyone to disagrees with Israel is labelled as anti Semitic by the likes of you and the other Zionist attackers who do not want debate: that does not mean as you disingenuously suggest that all Israelis think this way: think about it. <br /><br />“After demanding people provide their names and addresses”<br /><br />Truth? If anyone wants to debate with me in a reasonable way I am happy to do so: when they start making unfounded accusations and hurling personal abuse I ask them to identify themselves which of course the cowards are afraid to do: I think that is perfectly reasonable, I don’t think your personal attacks on me here carry any weight unless you come out of hiding. <br /><br />“Perhaps you can give some examples of Israels actions that are as bad as those of Nazi Germany, the Communist Party of Kampuchea, Communist USSR and Communist China”<br /><br />Gaza! Did these and other brutal regimes kill women and old people and children in a way which was worse than Israel is doing in Gaza? Is that possible?<br />I do not believe that Israel enjoys the support of millions of Jews worldwide: and I believe that their continuing brutality to the Palestinians will continue to be seen as unacceptable to most people: they have to think again: the Palestinians deserve Justice.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-33278882186286837112010-01-29T21:38:27.761+00:002010-01-29T21:38:27.761+00:00@ Councillor Terry Kelly
"These people see o...@ Councillor Terry Kelly<br /><br />"These people see one thing and one thing only: I am an outspoken supporter of Palestine and I am opposed to Israel in the Middle East conflict and that is all that matters to them. Truth: fairness: justice: integrity none of it means anything to them: they are beyond reasonable debate, anyone who disagrees with Israel is anti Semitic! that's what passes for argument with them."<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Mr Kelly, who are "these people"? Who are "them"?<br /><br />Point me to some examples of "Truth: fairness: justice: integrity" in any of your blog posts regarding Israel or in your replies to commenters. Is there any integrity, fairness or justice in refusing to enter into debate and simply accusing anyone who dares to say anything that contradicts your statements of being a "liar". <br /><br /><br />You say you are "opposed to Israel in the Middle East conflict" Does Israel have a right to exist? <br />If so perhaps you can explain why you don't also support Israels right to self-defence? <br /><br /><br />You are a hypocrite of the worst order. You accuse everyone who posts a counter argument to your ill informed statments of being a "Zionist criminal" and refuse to answer any point made that challenges your bigoted view of Israel (I wont give your rantings the diginty of referring to them as arguments because your statements are no different to those made by any other Bigot when they label all African Caribbeans as criminals or all Muslims terrorists) yet you shrilly accuse those who question your beliefs of shutting down criticsm of Israel with accusations of antisemitism.<br /><br />Your cry of - "they are beyond reasonable debate, anyone who disagrees with Israel is anti Semitic! that's what passes for argument with them." - is both projection and deflection. You are not interested in debate you simply want to be able to spout your anti Israel rantings without challenge. You attempt to silence your detractors with accusations of lying, cowardice or of being "zionist criminals" with an agenda.<br /><br />After demanding people provide their names and addresses, something which only the insane would post on a public place, I wonder what your next tactic will be to evade answering questions. Suggesting that your detractors go toe-to-toe with you in a pub car park perhaps?<br /><br />I don't see you as a supporter of Palestine and the Palestinian people, quite the opposite. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />@ Councillor Terry Kelly<br /><br />"I regard some of their [Israels] actions a being as bad as any other brutal regimes in history" <br /><br />You regard Israels actions as being as bad as those of Nazi Germany, the Communist Party of Kampuchea, Communist USSR and Communist China to name but a few? (or in fact the brutality of any regime which follows Marxist-Leninist ideology where human rights and the lives of innocent people are wantonly sacrificed as the means that justifies the ends) <br /><br />Perhaps you can give some examples of Israels actions that are as bad as those of Nazi Germany, the Communist Party of Kampuchea, Communist USSR and Communist China.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05443106604602614006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-39809649147337779662010-01-29T18:52:57.566+00:002010-01-29T18:52:57.566+00:00(Anonymous) 29/01/10
Why wouldn’t/ shouldn’t I lin...(Anonymous) 29/01/10<br />Why wouldn’t/ shouldn’t I link to them and other horrors?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-73161713399887710692010-01-29T12:19:18.402+00:002010-01-29T12:19:18.402+00:00I’m getting a whole lot of hassle but: a cursory g...I’m getting a whole lot of hassle but: a cursory glance by anyone at where it is coming from will easily explain it. <br /><br />These people see one thing and one thing only: I am an outspoken supporter of Palestine and I am opposed to Israel in the Middle East conflict and that is all that matters to them. Truth: fairness: justice: integrity none of it means anything to them: they are beyond reasonable debate, anyone who disagrees with Israel is anti Semitic! that's what passes for argument with them.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.com