tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post7192860248261008526..comments2023-05-03T08:42:38.592+00:00Comments on Councillor Terry Kelly: SOUTH AFRICA AND 'THE TIMES THEY ARE A'CHANGING'Cllr Terry Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-61607478882272697832008-01-22T12:27:00.000+00:002008-01-22T12:27:00.000+00:00(The Incorrigible Plagiarist) 21/01/08 - “You wer...(The Incorrigible Plagiarist) 21/01/08 - <BR/><BR/>“You were the one who wrongly held up Luke White as an example of prejudice or rather you regurgitated a Guardian article without checking its veracity” <BR/><BR/>wrong, I’m not the only one, it wasn’t in the Guardian but, this story has been rumbling along for a good while, commented on by various publications and on the internet.<BR/><BR/>“No, but you insisted that he was not selected because of his fathers protests” <BR/><BR/>That’s what various commentators say it seems to be quite well known I’m afraid, it’s not my story. <BR/><BR/>I think I’m allowed to choose who I believe, after all this is not SA under apartheid is it ? You can’t stop people any more can you ?<BR/><BR/>You accuse me of saying that ‘it’s the blacks fault’ and call ME a simpleton !<BR/><BR/>SA under Apartheid and SA sport then and still now was and is one of the low points in the history of mankind, people like you are apologists for it, quite shameful.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-47985810443658719672008-01-21T17:12:00.000+00:002008-01-21T17:12:00.000+00:00I did not say anything about Luke Watson’s best po...<I><BR/>I did not say anything about Luke Watson’s best position I haven’t the authority to do that.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>No, but you insisted that he was not selected because of his fathers protests against Apartheid rather than because of his ability or lack of...<BR/><BR/><I><BR/>You apparently do and that, in the case of Watson allows you to muddy the water and excuse White.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>You were the one who wrongly held up Luke White as an example of prejudice or rather you regurgitated a Guardian article without checking its veracity. <BR/><BR/>You are the one who gives the racist the opportunity to muddy the waters with your inaccuracies and false accusations.<BR/><BR/><I><BR/>Jake White picked a team based on colour, <BR/></I><BR/><BR/>Correct, but as usual barking up the wrong tree - Jake White was forced to include black players that otherwise would not have made the squad. <BR/><BR/>The question is at the grassroots levels and whether or not the opportunities for young black players to develop into international quality rugby players exist. <BR/><BR/><I><BR/>I note your quote from the ANC but you seem to be ignoring the fact that there is now a backlash against those blacks in high positions who arguably gave the white racist elite too much credit and too much time to clean up it’s act, <BR/></I><BR/><BR/>So it's the blacks fault now ???<BR/>You're something else!<BR/><BR/><I><BR/>I withdraw the word ‘eejit’ but you are an apologist for racism.<BR/></I><BR/><BR/>I'm anything but an apologist for racism, but when a simpleton like you damages the prospect of progress on these issues I do get a bit miffed. There are racists out there delighted that you are holding up Luke Watson as an example. Align that with your position that several wrongs will eventually make a right and you simply throw oil on the fire.The Incorrigible Plagiaristhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14962971938139674420noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-34080002797504945282008-01-21T16:26:00.000+00:002008-01-21T16:26:00.000+00:00"What kind of people are you ? Will you ever accep..."What kind of people are you ? Will you ever accept you guilt ?"<BR/><BR/>Guilt for what? For preventing the kaffirs from murdering each other?<BR/><BR/>For preventing the country descending into the morass of socialist corruption a la Zimbabwe.<BR/><BR/>We, the white South Africans have nothing to be guilty of. Pity my grandfather didn't shoot your grandfather suring the Boer War.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-35254363044207373222008-01-20T18:45:00.001+00:002008-01-20T18:45:00.001+00:00(Rabbie) 11:15 - This is coming close to admitti...(Rabbie) 11:15 - <BR/><BR/>This is coming close to admitting your political naivety, well done.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-51479085475392101072008-01-20T18:45:00.000+00:002008-01-20T18:45:00.000+00:00(Rabbie) 11:15 - This is coming close to admitti...(Rabbie) 11:15 - <BR/><BR/>This is coming close to admitting your political naivety, well done.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-16209655443929960102008-01-20T18:29:00.000+00:002008-01-20T18:29:00.000+00:00(Paul Roos) 08:46 - “You are wrong again. The Sp...(Paul Roos) 08:46 - <BR/><BR/>“You are wrong again. The Springbok is the symbol of the national fauna of SA, just as the Protea is the symbol of national flora. It is only the vocal minority that view the Springbok as a symbol of apartheid “ <BR/><BR/>I wasn’t referring to the fauna I was referring to the SA Rugby team, but you know that don’t you, you are pathetic you are trying to split hairs.<BR/><BR/>What kind of people are you ? Will you ever accept you guilt ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-12411522519792662582008-01-20T18:21:00.000+00:002008-01-20T18:21:00.000+00:00(Paul Roos) 08:43 - “ I've never been to Scotlan...(Paul Roos) 08:43 - <BR/><BR/>“ I've never been to Scotland but I don't think that the Scottish people are all stupid “ <BR/><BR/>That’s the same with me and SA’s. Although the white SA’s elected evil racists and thugs for years. <BR/><BR/>“ reading the opinions of journalists who often have their own agendas “ this doesn’t wash anymore, anyone who suggests that you have to visit SA to understand what went on and is going on is clutching at straws. <BR/><BR/>You sir, are an apologist for evil and you are too ashamed to admit it.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-4713002711963533052008-01-20T15:39:00.000+00:002008-01-20T15:39:00.000+00:00'an Orange Cabinet Minister'?Is Adam Ingram still ...'an Orange Cabinet Minister'?<BR/><BR/>Is Adam Ingram still in the cabinet?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-17488584268480978872008-01-20T11:15:00.000+00:002008-01-20T11:15:00.000+00:00Cllr Kelly 19.52No need to be so peevish Councillo...Cllr Kelly 19.52<BR/>No need to be so peevish Councillor - I'm Tory so you can't expect me to be aware of all the options you lunatics have under the banner of Socialism.<BR/><BR/>Now, back to Hain and his begging bowl - have you given up defending the incompetent prat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-10002166606085510602008-01-20T08:46:00.000+00:002008-01-20T08:46:00.000+00:00"The ’Springboks’ were the emblem of a dark period..."The ’Springboks’ were the emblem of a dark period for SA, for sport and for mankind, and people like you are still desperately trying to excuse the inexcusable."<BR/><BR/>You are wrong again. The Springbok is the symbol of the national fauna of SA, just as the Protea is the symbol of national flora. It is only the vocal minority that view the Springbok as a symbol of apartheid.<BR/><BR/>Madiba himself has stated that the Springbok is a symbol of unity for all SA sportsmen and women.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-14644700144463413302008-01-20T08:43:00.000+00:002008-01-20T08:43:00.000+00:00"Please explain why never having been to SA is rel..."Please explain why never having been to SA is relevant."<BR/><BR/>I've never been to Scotland but I don't think that the Scottish people are all stupid. However, reading your blog may change my opinion of that. They must be completely stupid to keep electing armchair commentators onto their local councils.<BR/><BR/>By visiting and living in a country it is possible for you to gain first hand the experiences of all the peoples of that country rather than reading the opinions of journalists who often have their own agendas and offer their own opinions as fact. You, sir, seem to have fallen under their spell.<BR/><BR/>I have visited many African countries and found the truth to be so much more different than the garbage printed in the mainstream media.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-15082725528205038832008-01-19T20:04:00.000+00:002008-01-19T20:04:00.000+00:00Rabbie) 19:52 - Did you understand anything I sa...Rabbie) 19:52 - <BR/><BR/>Did you understand anything I said about this ‘Socialist’ Party and their attitude to Hain, am I wasting my time ? Do you grasp any of this ?<BR/><BR/>You see the so called Socialist Parties that we know like the SS and Solidarity would regard me as a right wing capitalist. Does that help in any tiny way to explain this ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-60455985857585694792008-01-19T19:52:00.000+00:002008-01-19T19:52:00.000+00:00(Cllr Kelly 7.12)You're taking some convincing, yo...(Cllr Kelly 7.12)<BR/><BR/>You're taking some convincing, you little Tinker.<BR/><BR/>Or is this Kelly humour?<BR/><BR/>Are you already convinced Hain is bent and winding ne up?<BR/><BR/>You were also very rude about the 'Socialist Party.' After they used such kind words about Castro, Stalin and Honecker, you should be ashamed of yourself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-88382389306541498092008-01-19T19:12:00.000+00:002008-01-19T19:12:00.000+00:00(Rabbie) 18/01/08 - I think I’ve mentioned to yo...(Rabbie) 18/01/08 - I think I’ve mentioned to you before that you don’t seem to have much of a clue as to how politics works haven’t I. <BR/><BR/>You see any ‘Socialist Party’ with the banner ‘News , Policy , Marxism’ is likely to be even more hostile to Hain than even a scab racist like you. You don’t have a clue do you?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-41109345726370400712008-01-18T19:27:00.000+00:002008-01-18T19:27:00.000+00:00(Cllr Kelly 16.42)TerryRe Hain and that donation f...(Cllr Kelly 16.42)<BR/>Terry<BR/>Re Hain and that donation from an apartheid supporter that you 'don't believe.' (Hain isn't replying to my emails by the way)<BR/><BR/>Suppressing an unmanly fit of the giggles, can I ask you to Google a site called 'Socialist Party.' and read 'Hain's Sorry Saga of Sleaze,' dated 17th Jan.<BR/><BR/>Yo'd be proud of their banner - 'News,Policy, Marxism.'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-91949811794743632232008-01-18T18:42:00.000+00:002008-01-18T18:42:00.000+00:00(Anonymous) 16:51 - You are right I haven’t heard ...(Anonymous) 16:51 - <BR/><BR/>You are right I haven’t heard of this but it doesn’t surprise me, he was lucky they didn’t lynch him.<BR/><BR/>Is it possible that he would not have been good for ’team bonding’ because he would have been an ANC supporter among a bunch of racists ? <BR/><BR/> “ Luke Watson accused the coach of lacking integrity and questioned qualifications of world cup winning captain Smit ”<BR/><BR/>Questioning another player’s ability is a rather weak charge, accusing the coach of lacking integrity seems rather accurate given that SA have never had a coach who picked players on ability alone, that is a lack of integrity right there. Let me simplify it for you the words ‘integrity and ‘racism’ do not sit easily together. <BR/><BR/>That lack of integrity applies to everyone, players, coaches, officials and supporters who colluded then and now with the whole ugly business of SA rugby.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-9400900981037484672008-01-18T18:10:00.000+00:002008-01-18T18:10:00.000+00:00(Rabbie) 16:42 - Peter Hain is taking money from...(Rabbie) 16:42 - <BR/><BR/>Peter Hain is taking money from a man who is a supporter of Apartheid, you’ll have to do better than that, what does Hain say about this accusation ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-60907491934775824652008-01-18T17:59:00.000+00:002008-01-18T17:59:00.000+00:00(Anonymous) 16:14 - It’s tedious to you because i...(Anonymous) 16:14 - <BR/>It’s tedious to you because it is shining a light on the shameful racism which still exists in SA rugby.<BR/><BR/>I quoted the Observer on the ‘name change’ speak to them. <BR/>I think the name change worries you because ‘Springbok’ will be cast aside (if it happens) as a remnant of a team and an era which brought sport into disrepute. <BR/><BR/>The ’Springboks’ were the emblem of a dark period for SA, for sport and for mankind, and people like you are still desperately trying to excuse the inexcusable. <BR/><BR/>SA under Apartheid and SA rugby then and now are an example of how low man can stoop. <BR/><BR/>“I also searched the Observer site and could not find your article”<BR/><BR/>This sounds like you are suggesting that I made up an article in a national newspaper which was out last Sunday, “The Sunday Observer” are you actually a SA ? just how stupid are you ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-8336500841904650672008-01-18T16:51:00.000+00:002008-01-18T16:51:00.000+00:00Luke Watson accused the coach of lacking integrity...Luke Watson accused the coach of lacking integrity and questioned qualifications of world cup winning captain Smit. He was not included in the team because his personality was considered to be too arrogant and abrasive for team bonding.<BR/><BR/>I suspect you have not heard of this because you do not follow rugby and you pick out snippets of information that fit your narrative. You state earlier that someone else did not "find out" they simply instinctively "knew" something. Given the almost religious belief you have in your own version of events I suspect that it is you who instinctively "knows" something.<BR/><BR/>Everyone else who follows rugby (or buys Rugby World) knows this story and it was a non-event at the time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-5009895195283257792008-01-18T16:42:00.000+00:002008-01-18T16:42:00.000+00:00(Cllr Kelly 3.39)Terry, you're right not to believ...(Cllr Kelly 3.39)<BR/>Terry, you're right not to believe it - I dont really think there is a Father Christmas.<BR/><BR/>But as for the Kaye donation and his pro apartheid and NHS activity, they are a matter of record.<BR/><BR/>The donation was paid through that very dodgy Thinktank of Mr Hains, perhaps so that Old Labour innocents like yourself wouldn't spot it.<BR/><BR/>Yet another Kelly Hero with feet of clay - I feel for you old son, I really do, but you do pick some crackers dont you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-79808993833650858002008-01-18T16:32:00.000+00:002008-01-18T16:32:00.000+00:00(Paul Roos) 17/01/08 - "bringing the game into dis...(Paul Roos) 17/01/08 - "bringing the game into disrepute" <BR/><BR/>So the White racist elite who ran the game brought this charge against a player whose dad was a famous anti apartheid campaigner, a player who was anti racist and a constant thorn in their sides, are you not just a tiny wee bit gullible ? Why have I never heard of this ?<BR/><BR/>Please explain why never having been to SA is relevant. <BR/>Perhaps it’s the case that if I visited I would have learned that it was nice for blacks under apartheid. It was pleasant in prison, the hangings and torture didn’t take place, I really should visit and have my eyes opened.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-72093704306096108312008-01-18T16:21:00.000+00:002008-01-18T16:21:00.000+00:00(The Incorrigible Plagiarist) 17/01/08 - You are...(The Incorrigible Plagiarist) 17/01/08 - <BR/><BR/>You are entitled to your opinion about Jake White and you are also entitled to defend the white SA rugby elite, I disagree with you.<BR/><BR/>I did not say anything about Luke Watson’s best position I haven’t the authority to do that. <BR/>You apparently do and that, in the case of Watson allows you to muddy the water and excuse White. <BR/><BR/>“I'm sure you would concede that rarely do the 11 best players constitute the best team in football. Team is the word“, <BR/><BR/>I thought that I had made that very point, you accept that the best ’team’ consists of all white players with the occasional black getting a game, no doubt you tell yourself that that’s just a coincidence, I don’t. <BR/><BR/>“Jake White put out the team that won the world cup. He is entirely vindicated in his selection“. <BR/><BR/>Jake White picked a team based on colour, people like you might regard victory as a vindication of that but I don’t.<BR/><BR/>I note your quote from the ANC but you seem to be ignoring the fact that there is now a backlash against those blacks in high positions who arguably gave the white racist elite too much credit and too much time to clean up it’s act, the world cup was the catalyst for people saying ‘enough is enough they will never change unless we make them’<BR/><BR/>I withdraw the word ‘eejit’ but you are an apologist for racism.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-41966905830240858012008-01-18T16:14:00.000+00:002008-01-18T16:14:00.000+00:00No it is tedious because it has been ongoing for y...No it is tedious because it has been ongoing for years and is stale.<BR/><BR/>You are attempting to change the focus here, the fact is you cites a newspaper that reproduced rumour and wishful thinking as fact. I googled for SA rugby fan sites, checked out about 10 of them with no peep. I also searched the Observer site and could not find your article (maybe they pulled it after publication). So will you admit that it looks like your claim the name is being changed is at best suspicious? And if you do it kind of makes it hard to trust anything else you write.<BR/><BR/>Unless of course this post was another one of your "get out of jail free" jokes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-10716143510249902012008-01-18T15:57:00.000+00:002008-01-18T15:57:00.000+00:00(Serpico) 17/01/08 - As I said, vacuous.(Serpico) 17/01/08 - As I said, vacuous.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-20238230978489998872008-01-18T15:39:00.000+00:002008-01-18T15:39:00.000+00:00(Rabbie) 16/01/08 - I don’t believe this, perhap...(Rabbie) 16/01/08 - <BR/><BR/>I don’t believe this, perhaps you could get Hain’s version of events and print that, maybe he’ll agree with you.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.com