tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post6822112061251320846..comments2023-05-03T08:42:38.592+00:00Comments on Councillor Terry Kelly: COURAGE AND TERRORCllr Terry Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-17129173509452444452007-04-26T15:49:00.000+00:002007-04-26T15:49:00.000+00:00Tony - You can be spotted as a tory a mile away - ...Tony - You can be spotted as a tory a mile away - that's the ultimate insult.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-48069248621402688962007-04-26T15:06:00.000+00:002007-04-26T15:06:00.000+00:00No I disagree Terry. My intellect stands up perfec...No I disagree Terry. My intellect stands up perfectly well without imitation thanks. As for my physical side I suppose an obvious choice would be Shrek.<BR/><BR/>For you I would suggest a joint intellectual portrayal by Jade Goody and Stephen Byers. Your physical side could only have been played by the late Eric Cullen. Although you do strike me as the political equivalent of David Brent.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05936858144046032905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-84294660142070266362007-04-25T13:01:00.000+00:002007-04-25T13:01:00.000+00:00Tony - OK fair enough, if that's debating Tory sty...Tony - OK fair enough, if that's debating Tory style, here goes.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps Chuck Heston could play you intellectual side and Matt Lucas your physical side. <BR/>( people who live in glass houses Tony eh ? )<BR/><BR/>Isn't this fun ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-44622778863885590762007-04-25T08:04:00.000+00:002007-04-25T08:04:00.000+00:00Well Terry, I guess I would rather have Charlton H...Well Terry, I guess I would rather have Charlton Heston playing me in a film than Jimmy Krankie. If you know what I mean.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05936858144046032905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-90765490019446701962007-04-24T10:54:00.000+00:002007-04-24T10:54:00.000+00:00Jim Lewis - This proves that if you put enough wor...Jim Lewis - This proves that if you put enough words together often enough you will, sooner or later say something sensible.<BR/><BR/>Take this as a compliment from an intellectual midget to an intellectual giant, modest too, what a guy.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-53304337666963735532007-04-24T10:48:00.000+00:002007-04-24T10:48:00.000+00:00Jackart - I haven't said that anyone should be pre...Jackart - I haven't said that anyone should be prevented from political lobbying, I happen to disagree with the NRA and find their very existence repugnant, I can say that can't I ?<BR/><BR/>I don't agree with your description of Michael Moore as an extreme left winger, he never made a political move until the steel mills in the town of Flint closed down and destroyed his community.<BR/><BR/>I think Luddite better describes the NRA than any union.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-18302271182575462282007-04-23T22:07:00.000+00:002007-04-23T22:07:00.000+00:00"...and used anti-Semitic language in the past."So..."...and used anti-Semitic language in the past."<BR/><BR/>Sorry, big man but the one thing I have yet to see is Tel using anti-semitic language. To denigrate Israel, a secular state, is not anti-semitism. If it is, then Israel is unique in enjoying this particular excuse for not addressing its expansionist policies. Similarly, anti-Zionism is not anti-semitism. In fact, I suggest a visit to http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/ . Since this is a site run by True Torah Jews, it can hardly be accused of anti-semitism. <BR/><BR/>The arguments surrounding Israel and its treatment of its neighbours have for too long been simply swept aside. Israel, like all of us, ought to be brought to account for its actions. It has ignored, with the complicity of the USA, and now with the UK too, dozens of UN resolutions and continues to do so. UN resolutions were the excuse for the illegal invasion of Iraq. Why do we support double standards?<BR/><BR/>Terry is an intellectual midget. That much we know. However, please don't use his tactics of disingenuity to make an argument. You're better than that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-88663136861032996422007-04-23T18:47:00.000+00:002007-04-23T18:47:00.000+00:00so political lobbying is only acceptable when the ...so political lobbying is only acceptable when the ends are acceptable to yourself? <BR/><BR/>The NRA is a lobbying orgainisation with powerful enemies. (Bowling for Columbine cannot be seen as other than a deeply partisan hatchet-job by an extreme left-winger). Of course they lobby for the right to bear arms.<BR/><BR/>It is no different to Unions lobbying for 35 hour weeks or whatever economically illiterate luddite lunacy they're demanding I pay for this time.<BR/><BR/>Your differentiation between the two is specious. Both political, both populated bu loons.Jackarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04477130724830922566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-11296042114957906812007-04-23T14:37:00.000+00:002007-04-23T14:37:00.000+00:00jackart - 'The Americans have decided' I think the...jackart - 'The Americans have decided' I think the Americans have been persuaded that guns are OK, and even patriotic, ( the American marketing industry's favourite word ) <BR/><BR/>'It's not about big business' call it what you will it's about billions of dollars and that means power, both political parties, the Democrats and the G.O.P. are afraid of the gun lobby.<BR/><BR/>Comparing the NRA to Unions is disingenuous and fatuous, unions struggle to improve the lives of there members while the NRA fights to allow people to buy guns which are designed to kill people. It's a technicality but it's a beauty.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-45422614787805205142007-04-23T13:49:00.000+00:002007-04-23T13:49:00.000+00:00You're right, Terry. You are no expert.But as for ...You're right, Terry. You are no expert.<BR/><BR/>But as for my defense of the Gun Culture of the USA, if that's how you want to read it, that's up to you. I was merely pointing out that Americans have decided that one gun policy works for them. We on this side of the pond see it another way. <BR/><BR/>It's not about big business or anything like that, and the NRA is a big grassroots organisation. That's why it is politically powerful. <BR/><BR/>In what way is the NRA different in its political actions to a Union, lobbying for its members interests?Jackarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04477130724830922566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-57060995048712048182007-04-23T13:37:00.000+00:002007-04-23T13:37:00.000+00:00jackart - 'in what state' I don't know, I saw a TV...jackart - 'in what state' I don't know, I saw a TV report where these guys had big rapid fire guns which they shot at targets.<BR/><BR/>They were American and they seemed to have some kind of club where they went to shoot things up. <BR/><BR/>I'm no expert so, maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's really difficult to buy guns in America, you could be right, but mmm.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-3079856260043825892007-04-23T13:30:00.000+00:002007-04-23T13:30:00.000+00:00RFS - I denigrate no one based on where they are ...RFS - I denigrate no one based on where they are from, because you have decided that using the word Zionist makes someone racist doesn't make it true.<BR/>'Everyone you know who has read my blog' that'll be a representative cross section then eh ? I checked and the stat. counter on this blog shows approx. 25,000 you must have been busy.<BR/><BR/>I've never ducked any question on the American black numbers in prison, ever. There's an inordinate number of black prisoners in American jails, completely out of proportion to the population. Why do you think that is ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-37305312790047624062007-04-23T13:14:00.000+00:002007-04-23T13:14:00.000+00:00jackart - American politicians are afraid of the g...jackart - American politicians are afraid of the gun lobby ? Where could I have gotten an idea like <BR/>that ? It's a novel idea isn't it ? <BR/>If you accuse me of 'voting myself more of the state's largesse at your expense' is that <BR/>Ad Hominem ?<BR/>I'm happy to let people read your defence of the American gun culture.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-83754011438463683052007-04-23T12:41:00.000+00:002007-04-23T12:41:00.000+00:00Oh and an Addendum. In what state is a heavy machi...Oh and an Addendum. In what state is a heavy machine-gun legal? .50 Cal machine guns are not available to purchase, neither, I think are any belt-fed weapons.<BR/><BR/>Anything capable of fully automatic fire is tightly prohibited, and illegal in most states.<BR/><BR/>I think you mean an assault rifle. With a standard 30 round clip, "Killing hundreds in seconds" would be some good shooting. <BR/><BR/>I think you exagerate the ease with which people get heavy weapons in the USA, just as you exaggerate all social ills of the great republic. Let's og back to Scotland's record in the violent crime department shall we?Jackarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04477130724830922566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-4498308808057713762007-04-23T12:28:00.000+00:002007-04-23T12:28:00.000+00:00Terry,I still love you.You denigrate a whole group...Terry,<BR/><BR/>I still love you.<BR/><BR/>You denigrate a whole group of people based on where they are from? That is racist. You sneered the name "Zionist" at me and anyone who cares to look it up will see that it is common for anti-Semitics to use it, even as you qualified it with "(no anti-semitism intended)" you failed to grasp that the very use of the word itself is anti-Semitic.<BR/><BR/>We have been here before Terry and I am happy to come back to it time and time again. Why? Because everyone I know who has read your blog has a word in mind for you and it begins with R. <BR/><BR/>Although I don't remember you posting my comment asking about your position on the black prison population in the States?RfShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00222230991354683712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-63936068493611400542007-04-23T12:05:00.000+00:002007-04-23T12:05:00.000+00:00Terry. Terry. Terry. "Will anything be done about ...Terry. Terry. Terry. <BR/><BR/>"Will anything be done about guns in America ? While the firearms industry continues to make billions of dollars and give millions to the Republican Party the answer is no."<BR/><BR/>Why do you think that political positions are always influenced by money? (but only on the right - It's quite ok for you and your ilk to vote yourself some more of the state's largesse at my expense)<BR/><BR/>The American people have demonstrated their support for the right to bear arms democrtatically over two centuries. This is in order to protect themselves from arbitary government (hence militas and the right to bear arms). That is why they remain free and we are mere slaves to our government's will. <BR/><BR/>It also allows easy access to guns for nut-jobs and Vigilantes. Freedom isn't free.<BR/><BR/>This means that whilst the murder rate will be high, the individual feels empowered as he can influence crime directly by being able (in thoeory) to defend himself. It fundamentally changes the power of the state and its agents to enter the home for example. <BR/><BR/>There's a point of principle here. You may disagree with the right to bear arms and its effects, but to sugest that the only reason the Bush administration do so is because of NRA money is foolish - or as you would say "Squalid". <BR/><BR/>You're attacking the man again Terry, not the Idea. Ad Hominem. Try for once to debate an idea, without calling into question someone's motives, personality or intelligence. (That includes retorts along the lines of "You're a fine one to talk, with your gutter language...")Jackarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04477130724830922566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-77723057559395542642007-04-23T11:09:00.000+00:002007-04-23T11:09:00.000+00:00RFS - I think we have been here before have we not...RFS - I think we have been here before have we not ?<BR/><BR/>I'll say it again as I have before - I am anti America, not anti American. Anti Israel, not anti Israeli, this is because of their Govt. Policies / actions. I still have to explain this ?<BR/><BR/>You right wing libertarians are a joke, the going gets tough and you run for help to the authorities that you claim to despise. <BR/><BR/>Pathetic !Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-76643771344714136962007-04-23T10:52:00.000+00:002007-04-23T10:52:00.000+00:00shotgun - you're a real tough guy - and a dangerou...shotgun - you're a real tough guy - and a dangerous fool.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-18628069624147197662007-04-23T08:28:00.000+00:002007-04-23T08:28:00.000+00:00anon - Let me try to clear it up for you I am anti...anon - Let me try to clear it up for you I am anti Israel, not anti Israeli. Anti America not anti American.<BR/><BR/>These statements relate to certain policies that they pursue.<BR/><BR/>It's quite worrying to have to explain that.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-63198721424288854362007-04-23T08:17:00.000+00:002007-04-23T08:17:00.000+00:00"anti American or anti Israeli, I leave that kind ..."anti American or anti Israeli, I leave that kind of thing to you and your odious crew. "<BR/><BR/>I love you Terry. I am demonstrably pro-American and pro-Israeli. As is DK.<BR/><BR/>For your part you have called the US a cesspit and used anti-Semitic language in the past. Brilliant. And that is why your blog will also be shut down. Don't worry, you already know your way around BarrL don't you?<BR/><BR/>Long live the EU.RfShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00222230991354683712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-86877536354381996282007-04-21T22:16:00.000+00:002007-04-21T22:16:00.000+00:00Terry time and time again you have stated on your ...Terry time and time again you have stated on your blog that Israel is the problem in the middle east, that it occupies Palestine and so on.<BR/><BR/>Having stated that how can you now state that you are not anti Israel?<BR/><BR/>The same also go's re you many anti US comments on your blog.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-43140978104854563952007-04-21T02:51:00.000+00:002007-04-21T02:51:00.000+00:00"Tony said... I am sure the guns issue is not just..."Tony said... <BR/>I am sure the guns issue is not just money related, but a constitutional matter dating back a long way - coupled with an instinctive distrust of Government."<BR/><BR/>Yes and no. For the reasons I stated previously, it's a misuse of the 2nd Amendment that causes the confusion.<BR/><BR/>"Shotgun said... <BR/><BR/>Just for you Terry...more British people have been murdered by Bliars lies in Iraq than have been murdered by legally held firearms in the UK in the past 50 years."<BR/><BR/>That may be so, Shotgun. However, the only two Columbine/VATech type killing sprees I can remember, Dunblane and Hungerford, were committed using legally held weapons. This applies also to Columbine and to VATech, and many other US/Canadian killings. I am sickened by the constant defence of the righ to carry weapons deisgned for no other reason than to kill people. In a civilised society, there is no reason to carry a gun. If you hold a conversation with the NRA types, you will invariably find you are talking to someone who believes it to be his God-given right to shoot anyone who comes on his prperty uninvited. We are talking about people with no cocnept of humanity. People who will execute to protect a VCR.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-7273084958957437962007-04-20T19:12:00.000+00:002007-04-20T19:12:00.000+00:00Cllr Terry Kelly said... Shotgun - Was it reall...<I>Cllr Terry Kelly said...<BR/><BR/> Shotgun - Was it really necessary for you to write this, the USA and indeed here and other places are becoming more and more dangerous. This situation is not helped by dangerous fools like you. </I><BR/><BR/>Dangerous in what way you moron? Dangerous in the way <I>your</I> leader made it more dangerous by invading Iraq after the security services told him it would result in increased terrorism?<BR/><BR/>Guns don't kill, people kill, and until you face up to that we will continue to have many killings in the UK, all of which were carried out using <I>illegal</I> guns.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-45472682219916747362007-04-20T18:49:00.000+00:002007-04-20T18:49:00.000+00:00Anonymous, if you re-read the Guardian's correctio...Anonymous, if you re-read the Guardian's correction, Welsh's mistake was to refer to the murder rate, rather than the "violent death" rate (which includes manslaughter, justifiable homicide, suicide etc.). I was therefore careful to refer to violent death.<BR/><BR/>In comparing homicide rates, you need to be careful that America honestly reports figures which include all unlawful killings. We only report cases where the killer was tried and found guilty. <BR/><BR/>So, if the crime is not solved or the killer is not brought to trial, it does not appear in our statistics. If the killer was mentally disturbed to the extent of not being legally-responsible, the deaths don't appear in our statistics.<BR/><BR/>So if the V-Tech killings had happened on this side of the pond, the murder rate would not have been affected, either because the guy was mentally disturbed or because he committed suicide and so never faced trial.<BR/><BR/>Please understand that I am not having a go at Scotland here. Some of my best friends and all that. I was just trying to see if I could get Terry to think as I thought he might like it if he once tried it. <BR/><BR/>It worked and he concluded that Scotland is violent because of "Capitalism". I don't agree with his conclusion, but I am delighted he thought about it. Well done, Councillor.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-44092543456920119382007-04-20T15:52:00.000+00:002007-04-20T15:52:00.000+00:00philosopher - remove the muppet ref. and you sound...philosopher - remove the muppet ref. and you sound quite normal, who'd have thunk it ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.com