tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post6578261244441420008..comments2023-05-03T08:42:38.592+00:00Comments on Councillor Terry Kelly: QUESTION TIME - THE BNP - AND FREEDOM OF SPEECH.Cllr Terry Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-91285243199307694932009-10-30T18:19:23.324+00:002009-10-30T18:19:23.324+00:00(Andy Loughran) 16:14
I think with respect you are...(Andy Loughran) 16:14<br />I think with respect you are being persuaded by the siren voices of the right; I don’t believe there is any need for population reduction we are the fifth richest country in the world. The problem is that the riches are owned by the few not the many; I do see a great need for wealth redistribution. Alleged over population is a smoke screen being used by the right wing and people like the BNP.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-70802141379238527112009-10-30T16:14:26.490+00:002009-10-30T16:14:26.490+00:00What is missing is an option to reduce the populat...What is missing is an option to reduce the population growth of the country.<br /><br />I don't think it's a good option, and not one I'd vote for; however, one of the more moderate parties needs to make the move, else what's the point in having political parties - they need to provide a spectrum of choice, rather than just 'a different set of cronies'.Andy Loughranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13484511245268777374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-43217436914003745612009-10-30T13:57:46.643+00:002009-10-30T13:57:46.643+00:00(Andy Loughran) 29/10/09
“Hopefully now they'l...(Andy Loughran) 29/10/09<br />“Hopefully now they'll be able to address it properly with policy and quash the BNP”<br /><br />It was my intention to print you without comment from me as we are repeating ourselves but I can’t let this line pass. <br /><br />What policy do you mean? We already have immigration policies and anyone who wants to discuss the subject is free to do so. The House of Commons and other public forums are free to do this; what is missing?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-61755333308082069402009-10-29T19:22:03.649+00:002009-10-29T19:22:03.649+00:00Cllr,
I believe that Mr Griffin was shown to be w...Cllr,<br /><br />I believe that Mr Griffin was shown to be what he really is with his appearance on Question Time, and the video mentioned during the programme puts beyond all doubt how vile and abhorrent this man's views are, and those whom he represents.<br /><br />Without this exposure and media attention would public awareness of this video been so widespread?<br /><br />I hope the BNP go down like a lead baloon as soon as possible, and I support any acceptable protests against their organisation - but I also believe gagging them since their recent successes would be dangerous, and that through Nick Griffin's presence on QT that Baroness Warsi and Jack Straw were prompted into addressing the exact question that has led to the BNP's rise. <br /><br />Hopefully now they'll be able to address it properly with policy and quash the BNP.<br /><br />Best Regards,<br /><br />AndyAndy Loughranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13484511245268777374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-53728637958943577952009-10-29T12:20:19.848+00:002009-10-29T12:20:19.848+00:00(Andy Loughran) 27/10/09
Since Q.T. Griffin has be...(Andy Loughran) 27/10/09<br />Since Q.T. Griffin has been on a radio talk show from Hamilton and is out on the doorstep today in Glasgow, his platform is now more secure than ever. <br /><br />I object to fascist organisations being given that platform to peddle lies and act respectably to gain support for their racist ideologies which sent millions of Jewish people to their deaths? <br /><br />The harm done to multiracial communities; Gay people: Refugees: Jews and minorities far overshadows any benefits of allowing the vile thugs publicity. <br /><br />I doubt that there is much more to say between us on this subject.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-35344431988147116932009-10-27T18:50:03.494+00:002009-10-27T18:50:03.494+00:00Sure, there's a perfectly legal party. But th...Sure, there's a perfectly legal party. But there's also a perfectly legal BNP party in the UK, and as much as I find their views abhorrent - the public have a right to know the views. Were I to live in an area where the BNP currently hold seats, then be I a socialist or not, these guys are representing me. If their voice is not heard, challenged and ridiculed in an open arena - then detractors of the BNPs speech are preventing me from exercising my freedom of speech. Thus the daisy chain continues.<br /><br />That's what I have a problem with. If you deny one extremist group their views, there will then be a precedent to deny other extremists - whether they be socialist extremists, or fascists.Andy Loughranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13484511245268777374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-51562130372571981272009-10-27T15:50:21.457+00:002009-10-27T15:50:21.457+00:00(Andy Loughran) 14:53
“Were it that communists we...(Andy Loughran) 14:53<br /><br />“Were it that communists were banned from speaking freely”<br /><br />Not a good analogy; do you know that there is a perfectly legal Communist Party of America?<br /><br />I draw the line at some people being given democratic rights; such as the BNP they are not entitled to them. Communist and other left wing groups and parties have been banned in parts of the world before but always for ideological reasons mainly by right wing dictatorships. The BNP and other fascist groups are a different kettle of fish altogether.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-83103881358144604752009-10-27T14:53:56.508+00:002009-10-27T14:53:56.508+00:00Cllr,
Thanks for the clear and honest answer. As...Cllr,<br /><br />Thanks for the clear and honest answer. As much as it pains me to say it, I believe that if the majority of our nation saw fit to elect a party that believed in something as abhorrent as what you've listed, then it's not a country that I would wish to be associated with, and therefore seek citizenship elsewhere.<br /><br />Until then, I believe that the country should be educated, through debate and the disclosure of how our apathy can put such extremists so close to power. By banning it, and forcing such activities underground, only invites suspicion for moderate sympathisers among whosoever is left permitted to speak. <br /><br />Were it that communists were banned from speaking freely, then the suspicion would land on the shoulders of their closest moderate sympathisers -thus preventing the nation from freely debating socialist policies without the seed of doubt in their minds.<br /><br />However, I fully understand that you and I share very different views on the subject, and that reconciling the two does not appear to be immediately reconcilable. I would hope though that you'd have enough faith in your fellow citizen's judgement to suspect that their sympathies do not lie with such extremists, but the majority of support - even now for the BNP - is more from misguided people disengaged and ignorant of how the political system works, in addition to the apathy of the core 'moderate' voice of the country - rather than an increase in our society of people who are inherently fascist.Andy Loughranhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13484511245268777374noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-4029837139342725342009-10-26T16:14:54.991+00:002009-10-26T16:14:54.991+00:00(Ariel) 25/10/09
It’s time to move on and stop clu...(Ariel) 25/10/09<br />It’s time to move on and stop clutching at straws; you lost this argument 3 posts ago.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-46214606910652073372009-10-25T20:46:22.836+00:002009-10-25T20:46:22.836+00:00Kelly @ 5'50
'I tolerate you, dont I?'...Kelly @ 5'50<br />'I tolerate you, dont I?'<br /><br />Actually, no, you dont. Earlier this year you banned me for saying roughly the same things about some emerging African nations that you say about Israel.<br /><br />You, Bonny Lad, were not being anti-Semitic in any way, simply offering constructive criticism. I, on the other hand, was being racist!<br /><br />Dual standards, Councillor, you should be in the SNPArielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-45534250311710373942009-10-25T17:50:17.481+00:002009-10-25T17:50:17.481+00:00(Ariel) 15:03
If someone wants to write to me in ...(Ariel) 15:03<br /><br />If someone wants to write to me in support of Griffin and the BNP I will print it if they identify themselves; you said I regard everyone who disagrees with me as being bigots; racists etc. which is not true is it? My willingness to print something in support of a group which I find vile makes me rather honest and tolerant rather than bigoted and censorious. No matter how stupid you get I tolerate you don’t I?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-63634510824668777192009-10-25T17:38:28.728+00:002009-10-25T17:38:28.728+00:00(andylockran) 24/10/09
Andy – I do understand what...(andylockran) 24/10/09<br />Andy – I do understand what your point is and I accept your sincerity but I disagree with you. <br /><br />McCarthyism was an attack on those deemed to be “Un American” an impossible thing to prove or disprove. <br /><br />“Unless elected politicians are given a platform on which to speak and debate their policies, the people who are denying them the right to do so are not protecting the public from them, but affirming their support”<br /><br />I am saying that these people should not be allowed to stand for election; the idea that anyone can stand for election in a democracy is risible. Would you defend the right of a party called “The British Hitler Party” to stand? How about “The British Party of Child Abusers”? Or “The Tinned People for Cannibals Party”? <br />If someone were to revive “The British Union of Fascists” of Mosley fame; do they get to stand as well? <br /><br />If saying no to these rats makes me undemocratic in the eyes of you and some others then I am prepared to live with it.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-76895371736216823772009-10-25T17:22:38.016+00:002009-10-25T17:22:38.016+00:00(Anonymous) 24/10/09
You think that it is necessar...(Anonymous) 24/10/09<br />You think that it is necessary for me to prove that Griffin is a Nazi and a Holocaust denier;why;don’t you believe it ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-32815279437750790592009-10-25T17:18:36.347+00:002009-10-25T17:18:36.347+00:00(Anonymous) 23/10/09
The fact that I print the C**...(Anonymous) 23/10/09<br />The fact that I print the C**p you send as I’m now doing again proves that I don’t want to gag those who disagree with me; which is what you accused me of right?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-15599415807402600812009-10-25T15:03:08.460+00:002009-10-25T15:03:08.460+00:00Kelly @5.31pm
'I didn't say they were....Kelly @5.31pm<br /><br />'I didn't say they were.' (Racist etc)<br /><br />See your reply to 'Anonymous' @ 5.28.<br /><br />As fine an example of censorship and bigotry as ever I did see.Arielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-13626063804856092782009-10-24T20:14:44.792+00:002009-10-24T20:14:44.792+00:00Cllr,
I don't expect you to agree with what I...Cllr,<br /><br />I don't expect you to agree with what I'm saying, but please let me know if you understand the point I'm trying to make.<br /><br />McCarthyism in the USA destroyed many great socialist policies and put back the progression of the USA's socialist agenda by many years, as people like yourself were accused of communism and unable to preach their true political agenda.<br /><br />Unless elected politicians are given a platform on which to speak and debate their policies, the people who are denying them the right to do so are not protecting the public from them, but affirming their support.<br /><br />The BBC were not correct about the Gaza affair, nor were they necessarily wrong on other occasions - but if one was to judge anyone/thing by their previous actions it's impossible not to find fault.<br /><br />I honestly believe that what the BBC did was in the best interests of the country, and it's freedom loving citizens, and I hope that despite the knee jerk reaction by many politicians, you'll see that the solution is short term, not long term.<br /><br />Griffin may be the current 'Hitler' in relation to the quote you cite.. but that quote also says to look at the bigger picture, and the battle is not always one by fighting what's put in front of you, but by suffocating what's behind it.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Andy<br /><br />http://blog.zrmt.com/2009/10/24/against-the-bn/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-69192851651821140772009-10-24T20:11:30.380+00:002009-10-24T20:11:30.380+00:00Not suggesting anything Councillor, simply asking ...Not suggesting anything Councillor, simply asking you for evidence of your claims. For all I know, they could be true, but you made the allegations, you prove them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-88873313000883577442009-10-24T17:31:43.032+00:002009-10-24T17:31:43.032+00:00(Ariel) 22/10/09
I didn’t say they were.(Ariel) 22/10/09<br />I didn’t say they were.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-385387704809572062009-10-24T17:28:29.054+00:002009-10-24T17:28:29.054+00:00(Anonymous) 22/10/09
Are you suggesting that he i...(Anonymous) 22/10/09<br /><br />Are you suggesting that he is not these things as well as a racist; a homophobic bigot; an anti Semite a fascist and a convicted thug? If you are writing back in support of Griffin you will have to identify yourself otherwise you will not be printed. I will not print anything sympathetic to Griffin or the BNP from anonymous sources.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-81764840587358807262009-10-23T15:10:52.902+00:002009-10-23T15:10:52.902+00:00Terry @ 12.42
You publish the c**p I send you beca...Terry @ 12.42<br />You publish the c**p I send you because it isn't going to impact on the Labour vote, whereas you, the Orange Hain and the rest of your bent,incompetent party are panicking because giving the BNP air time to appeal to 'the lowest common denominator,' (Your words) will cost Labour seats.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-82054848099877308192009-10-22T19:09:12.764+00:002009-10-22T19:09:12.764+00:00Kelly @ 12.37
Councillor, why are those who disag...Kelly @ 12.37<br /><br />Councillor, why are those who disagree with your views bigotted, racist or homophobic?<br /><br />Just asking, you understand.Arielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-87998926176647505392009-10-22T18:28:32.860+00:002009-10-22T18:28:32.860+00:00Councillor,
I'll ask you again, where is your ...Councillor,<br />I'll ask you again, where is your evidence that Griffin would have supported the Nazis, or that he denies the Holocaust?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-4731312311868862009-10-22T12:42:03.790+00:002009-10-22T12:42:03.790+00:00(Anonymous) 10:13
“You, on the other hand, would g...(Anonymous) 10:13<br />“You, on the other hand, would gag anyone who holds views you disagree with.<br /><br />Fair comment?”<br /><br />If it was fair comment I wouldn’t be publishing the c**p that you write would I? <br />Do try to make sense it makes it a bit more challenging for me if you can manage it.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-30336556143593128552009-10-22T12:37:23.334+00:002009-10-22T12:37:23.334+00:00(Ariel) 21/10/09
The lowest common denominator can...(Ariel) 21/10/09<br />The lowest common denominator can be found anywhere and at any level it’s bigoted to suggest otherwise; Bring back hanging; cut back on immigration; support for the BNP I think we have your number.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-4420580633988339602009-10-22T10:13:21.998+00:002009-10-22T10:13:21.998+00:00Councillor Kelly I believe your stated views on H....Councillor Kelly I believe your stated views on H.M, her family and Lady Thatcherto be vile and obscene, but I will defend your right to hold those views. <br /><br />You, on the other hand, would gag anyone who holds views you disagree with.<br /><br />Fair comment?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com