tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post5418596023381318162..comments2023-05-03T08:42:38.592+00:00Comments on Councillor Terry Kelly: HITTING OLD LADIES OVER THE HEAD WITH A HALF BRICK IS A CRIME, EVERYTHING ELSE IS JUST BUSINESS ( ARTHUR DALY )Cllr Terry Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comBlogger67125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-27308708585487450242008-09-30T18:15:00.001+00:002008-09-30T18:15:00.001+00:00(Nick) 15:23“Ok Terry, I'm sorry I've upset you” ...(Nick) 15:23<BR/><BR/>“Ok Terry, I'm sorry I've upset you” on the contrary you have delighted me, I can’t remember the last time that I was arguing with someone who so completely lost it. I’m dining out on your bout of self praise, “top 5 Uni. degree and a professional writer” my arm is getting a bit sore reeling you in though.<BR/><BR/>Put it down to experience, learn from it, pride before a fall etc. In future you can remind yourself about the time you were taken to the cleaners by a guy who failed his eleven plus an left school at 15 with no qualifications. That should stop you from making an a**e of yourself.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-84397345239133430602008-09-30T18:15:00.000+00:002008-09-30T18:15:00.000+00:00(Nick) 15:23“Ok Terry, I'm sorry I've upset you” ...(Nick) 15:23<BR/><BR/>“Ok Terry, I'm sorry I've upset you” <BR/><BR/>On the contrary you have delighted me, I can’t remember the last time that I was arguing with someone who so completely lost it. I’m dining out on your bout of self praise, “top 5 Uni. degree and a professional writer” my arm is getting a bit sore reeling you in though.<BR/><BR/>Put it down to experience, learn from it, pride before a fall etc. In future you can remind yourself about the time you were taken to the cleaners by a guy who failed his eleven plus and left school at 15 with no qualifications. That should stop you from making an a**e of yourself.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-66140815111263349532008-09-30T15:23:00.000+00:002008-09-30T15:23:00.000+00:00Ok Terry, I'm sorry I've upset you.But come on, us...Ok Terry, I'm sorry I've upset you.<BR/><BR/>But come on, using very specific words with incredibly negative connotations incorrectly, then asking "Is English your first laguage?" while completely refusing to address the fact you quite clearly called me totalitarian and Nazi is bound to get anyone reacting, no? Let alone a professional pedant.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05009967867450131595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-11371959409940723802008-09-30T14:02:00.000+00:002008-09-30T14:02:00.000+00:00(Nick) 08:43“Dunno why you're getting chippy about...(Nick) 08:43<BR/><BR/>“Dunno why you're getting chippy about my education” I don’t often find myself dealing with such a well educated man, from a top 5 Uni. as well, and a real writer to boot, I feel quite humble, honestly.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-33329358062576902642008-09-30T08:43:00.000+00:002008-09-30T08:43:00.000+00:00Nah, I just thought it was funny that you were cri...Nah, I just thought it was funny that <I>you</I> were criticising my use of English when your use of technical political terms was so shakey.<BR/><BR/>You know me, eh? Excellent. Perhaps you can show the deep understanding you've gleaned by explaining this statement then:<BR/><BR/>"you are showing your totalitarian tendencies again, the kind of attitude that Hitler would have applauded you for, are you some kind of Nazi or something?"<BR/><BR/>You explicitly say there that I have "totalitarian tendencies" that "Hitler would have applauded" and then ask, in a rhetorical fashion, "are you some kind of Nazi?". <BR/><BR/>Dunno why you're getting chippy about my education. You're always telling people they can't understand politics because they don't have any direct experience in it. If you can speak from a privileged position on politics, why can't I on language?Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05009967867450131595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-68190852814923352252008-09-29T18:03:00.000+00:002008-09-29T18:03:00.000+00:00(Nick) 17:07You have now got yourself trapped and ...(Nick) 17:07<BR/><BR/>You have now got yourself trapped and you are playing up your education as an act of defiance rather than admit that you have made a fool of yourself, what a mess.<BR/><BR/>“Oh, and if I've lost credibility for some linguistic horseplay” <BR/><BR/>I think you lost the credibility when you attacked my poor grammar and told us all how well educated you were and of course the fact that you are a professional writer. <BR/><BR/>“I want to know why I'm a Nazi” are you a Nazi right enough ? see I can’t miss you now, you should be wearing a target, it’s your own fault, You sound rather insecure to me.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-30423368271594239962008-09-29T17:53:00.000+00:002008-09-29T17:53:00.000+00:00(Nick) 16:49 Are you some kind of Nazi or somethin...(Nick) 16:49<BR/> Are you some kind of Nazi or something, surely someone with your superior education would have got it by now, are you going to answer, where did I call you a Nazi ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-81615082271791096522008-09-29T17:07:00.000+00:002008-09-29T17:07:00.000+00:00Oh, and if I've lost credibility for some linguist...Oh, and if I've lost credibility for some linguistic horseplay, maybe you lost it ages ago for wheeling out the <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum" REL="nofollow">Reductio ad Hitlerum</A> gambit?<BR/><BR/>To quote Wiki, it's used to "illogically attempts to shift culpability from a villain to an idea regardless of who is espousing it and why." <BR/><BR/>But enough bluster from both of us! I'd rather you replied to my previous comment than this one... I want to know why I'm a Nazi.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05009967867450131595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-41609221019080961452008-09-29T16:49:00.000+00:002008-09-29T16:49:00.000+00:00Hee hee, you gracelessly impuned my use of English...Hee hee, you gracelessly impuned my use of English so I figured a graceless reply would be in order. At least we can salute the comprehensive system for not leaving me in the 16% of adults with entry level 3 or below literacy skills. <BR/><BR/>Still, when you're bandying about terms like 'totalitarian' and 'Nazi', I think it's even more important than usual that you use precise language. So, once again:<BR/><BR/>"you are showing your totalitarian tendencies again, the kind of attitude that Hitler would have applauded you for, are you some kind of Nazi or something?"<BR/><BR/>I don't see how you can twist that to mean i) you are not accusing me of holding totalitarian ideals and ii) you are not conflating that with Nazism specifically.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05009967867450131595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-766022372904239052008-09-29T16:25:00.000+00:002008-09-29T16:25:00.000+00:00(Nick) 15:04Perhaps you could tell me when the cla...(Nick) 15:04<BR/><BR/>Perhaps you could tell me when the clarity of my writing became important enough for you to make such a pompous fool of yourself ? <BR/><BR/>Has it always been the case or was it when you began to realize that you were not going to win ? You are not nearly as clever as you would like us to think are you ? Intelligent confident people don’t behave like you.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-13434765334914935792008-09-29T16:16:00.000+00:002008-09-29T16:16:00.000+00:00(Nick) 14:56There is a golden rule which I adopted...(Nick) 14:56<BR/><BR/>There is a golden rule which I adopted when I started blogging. People write to me constantly and in many cases they make mistakes, grammar, spelling etc. you probably have done this to, despite your glittering educational achievements, and your no doubt great success as a writer. <BR/><BR/>I have never pointed out a mistake in anyone’s comments as long as I can understand what they mean. <BR/><BR/>It is almost unheard of for bloggers to do this and it is a clear sign that the complainer has lost, their credibility as well as the argument.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-18448537332093073192008-09-29T15:04:00.000+00:002008-09-29T15:04:00.000+00:00And because it's nice to help people, here's how y...And because it's nice to help people, here's how you should have written the last sentence I quoted:<BR/><BR/>"Today's taxpayers have to foot the bill when the schemes of immoral capitalists go pear-shaped. These bankers risk their customers' money and escape the consequences of their gambles when crashes occur, siphoning off profits and hiding behind lawyers. Parasite is too good a word for them."<BR/><BR/>If you like, I'll email you a few grammar rules which could really help the clarity of your writing.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05009967867450131595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-553352628611285922008-09-29T14:56:00.000+00:002008-09-29T14:56:00.000+00:00How much more accepted do you want it to be at the...How much more accepted do you want it to be at the moment? It's just been announced; it's being reviewed; aspects of it, such as the problems with bribery, are already being acted upon.<BR/><BR/>I hope you're not saying we can't trust politicians to deliver the tougher new laws they're promising. <BR/><BR/>From your second to last comment:<BR/><BR/>"you are showing your totalitarian tendencies again, the kind of attitude that Hitler would have applauded you for, are you some kind of Nazi or something?"<BR/><BR/>I don't see how you can twist that to mean i) you are not accusing me of holding totalitarian ideals and ii) you are not conflating that with Nazism specifically.<BR/><BR/>"is English your first language?"<BR/><BR/>Hilariously, I'm a professional writer and editor with a first in English Lit. from a top-five university. Wahey! Is it yours? When you construct sentences like the following, I doubt it:<BR/><BR/>"Taxpayers today have to foot the bill when the immoral Capitalist gamblers schemes go pear shaped, they gamble with their customers money and get out after the crash with plenty saved away, lawyers make sure it can’t be touched, parasite is too good a word for them."Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05009967867450131595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-87651718917400901512008-09-29T11:21:00.000+00:002008-09-29T11:21:00.000+00:00(Nick) 10:18“government is in the process of revie...(Nick) 10:18<BR/><BR/>“government is in the process of reviewing the research and has already proposed tougher anti-bribery laws as a result”<BR/><BR/>Governments continuously propose tougher laws, and they are reviewing this ? Seems a bit weak to me. <BR/><BR/>I asked you to show me where I had said you were a Nazi, now it’s totalitarian and fascist, is English your first language ? Are you going to answer ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-51998538196100487932008-09-29T10:18:00.000+00:002008-09-29T10:18:00.000+00:00According to the FT, the government is in the proc...According to the FT, the government is in the process of reviewing the research and has already proposed tougher anti-bribery laws as a result. So, as it stands, it seems they're on the way to accepting and addressing it.<BR/><BR/>Alright, you little tinker, tell me what's totalitarian about me citing a piece of research by a body funded and suppported by 37 governments (including ours) that alleges our state is corrupt? <BR/><BR/>I'd like less politically motivated interference with the legal system. How on earth does that make me a fascist?Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05009967867450131595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-90966329304184045722008-09-26T12:34:00.000+00:002008-09-26T12:34:00.000+00:00(Nick) 09:28Did the U.K. agree with their findings...(Nick) 09:28<BR/><BR/>Did the U.K. agree with their findings or not ? <BR/><BR/>Being a member does not mean that you accept everything said, you are showing your totalitarian tendencies again, the kind of attitude that Hitler would have applauded you for, are you some kind of Nazi or something ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-79895045531833218112008-09-26T11:52:00.000+00:002008-09-26T11:52:00.000+00:00(Nick) 09:42“Please show me “in the interests of t...(Nick) 09:42<BR/><BR/>“Please show me “in the interests of transparency” where I called you a Nazi”Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-60610957502888659652008-09-26T09:42:00.000+00:002008-09-26T09:42:00.000+00:00“A lie told often enough becomes truth” V. I. Leni...“A lie told often enough becomes truth” V. I. Lenin. He could be talking about your denials...<BR/><BR/>I've shown you, up there: "Are you some kind of Nazi or something?". But here's another snippet from the exchange.<BR/><BR/>Me: "Why did you use the word ‘Nazi’ in response to my post?"<BR/><BR/>You: "Using the law against someone for breaking a manifesto promise is totalitarian and fascistic i.e. Nazi"<BR/><BR/>I've re-read what I posted, and I still fail to see exactly which bit of it is reflective of Nazi ideology or policy.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05009967867450131595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-32828015312255758532008-09-26T09:28:00.000+00:002008-09-26T09:28:00.000+00:00What are the answers then? I'm still unconvinced t...What are the answers then? I'm still unconvinced that sustaining an industry past it's natural shelf-life is a good idea.<BR/><BR/>He did say some good things about the wall running thorugh Bethlehem, but then again he also repeated the infmaous mistranslation of Ahmadinejad's comment about Iran's relationship to Israel. On the whole, it seems he did more pandering to the Knesset than otherwise.<BR/><BR/>Seeing as we're signed-up members of the OECD (one of 37), I guess we do accept their research as valid. The Department of Business has promised to address the OECD's concerns and has proposed tougher anti-bribery laws. That do you?Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05009967867450131595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-5984079083572490852008-09-25T12:40:00.000+00:002008-09-25T12:40:00.000+00:00(Nick) 09:57“people often tell small lies in littl...(Nick) 09:57<BR/><BR/>“people often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods” (A Hitler) <BR/><BR/>He could have been talking about liars like you. <BR/><BR/>Please show me “in the interests of transparency” where I called you a Nazi.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-74740061387372420102008-09-25T12:24:00.000+00:002008-09-25T12:24:00.000+00:00(Nick) 09:46 “Do you actually agree with me that t...(Nick) 09:46<BR/><BR/> “Do you actually agree with me that that would be a better use of public money?”<BR/><BR/>No I don’t but that doesn’t mean that I’m opposed to retraining it has it’s place but it is not the only answer.<BR/><BR/>Politics is wee bit more tricky than you could understand Iran and nuclear arms are part of the equation it’s a political football, what he had to say about Palestine was far more important on this occasion.<BR/><BR/>“We're now the most corrupt developed nation” Can you show me the bit where the U.K. Govt. accepts these findings ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-48385182189846794602008-09-25T09:57:00.000+00:002008-09-25T09:57:00.000+00:00And here's the Nazi exchange, my first comment and...And here's the Nazi exchange, my first comment and your response:<BR/><BR/><B>Nick (August 8)</B><BR/><BR/>"Ahoy! Although the SNP may not be delivering on all their manifesto commitments, has Salmond ever had to have his personal barrister say the following in front of a public court?<BR/><BR/>"Manifesto pledges are not subject to legitimate expectation."<BR/><BR/>Indeed not, that'd be our current Prime Minister! Yep, Gordon Brown had his legal representative tell Brighton County Court that, effectively, voters shouldn't expect anything promised in a manifesto to actually be delivered once Labour are in power.<BR/><BR/>In the interests of transparency, this was in relation to a case brought by a member of UKIP over the promise of a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. Whether or not you think UKIP are right-wing scumbags, it's quite the brass-neck to come out with that line when challenged, eh?"<BR/><BR/><B>Terry Kelly (August 8)</B><BR/><BR/>"Are you saying that a failure to deliver on a manifesto promise should be against the law ? Are you some kind of Nazi or something ?<BR/><BR/>If someone fails to deliver you get to remember that at election time.<BR/><BR/>I’m OK with that and we will remind people at election time. Perhaps you could have found a better example, unless you are in favour of UKIP that is."<BR/><BR/>You can read the full thread <A HREF="http://councillorterrykelly.blogspot.com/2008/08/snp-broken-propises-and-loco-income-tax.html" REL="nofollow">here</A> to refresh your memory. Once you've done that, <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Ideology" REL="nofollow">read a basic overview of Nazi ideology</A> and tell me again why I'm a jackbooted fascist for my comments.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05009967867450131595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-452675121153788532008-09-25T09:46:00.000+00:002008-09-25T09:46:00.000+00:00Well, what are you saying about the level at which...Well, what are you saying about the level at which the state intervenes? You seemed to take umbrage at my suggestion of retraining workers. Do you actually agree with me that that would be a better use of public money?<BR/><BR/>Did he? Because I thought he made a series of statements on Iran's nuclear capabilites which played well to Israeli hawks. He even referred directly to Iran's "nuclear weapons programme" - a program which even the American intelligence services believe was stopped in 2003.<BR/><BR/>I'll dig out the whole Nazi fiasco for your edification.<BR/><BR/>But I'll leave you with this. The OECD reckon Britain is the most corrupt it's been since 1995 thanks to, among other things, the BAE affair, cash for honours and the lack of probity over MP's expenses. We're now the most corrupt developed nation, according to their research. Top stuff.Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05009967867450131595noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-52104109140871300012008-09-24T17:03:00.000+00:002008-09-24T17:03:00.000+00:00(Nick) 16:18Must we go over everything repeatedly,...(Nick) 16:18<BR/>Must we go over everything repeatedly, you deliberately misinterpreted what I said about retraining. <BR/><BR/>“ Can you explain why, as a socialist, you do disagree with the state intervening to help people directly rather than to subsidise industries in need of a handout?” I didn’t say that but don’t let that get in your way, you are consistent. <BR/><BR/>You said that manifesto pledges should be more binding than they are, and I called you a Nazi for that ? Now I’m calling you a liar. <BR/><BR/>Gordon Brown did not stand on the sidelines when he addressed the Knesset just recently, he told them a few things that they did not want to hear, some of the members walked out. <BR/><BR/>I am on the side of Russia in the recent conflict.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-33777250745891588522008-09-24T16:18:00.000+00:002008-09-24T16:18:00.000+00:00I'll repeat myself for you: you brought up the ide...I'll repeat myself for you: you brought up the idea of limiting what people could retrain to do - and impuned the noble shelf stackers of this proud country in the process. I'm not sure why you mentioned it in the first place, actually, as I didn't put any restrictions on what new skills workers could acquire.<BR/><BR/>Can you explain why, as a socialist, you do disagree with the state intervening to help people directly rather than to subsidise industries in need of a handout?<BR/><BR/>I remember exactly why you called me a Nazi. It was because I suggested that manifesto pledges should be more binding than they are currently. Power to the people? How fascisitic!<BR/><BR/>I find Israel's foreign policy abhorrent. But I also find it painful to see our government wring its hands and make vague statements rather than explicitly condemn things like the conflict in Lebanon. Russia merited sterner diplomatic language over Georgia!Nickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05009967867450131595noreply@blogger.com