tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post4117784330110162626..comments2023-05-03T08:42:38.592+00:00Comments on Councillor Terry Kelly: GUTEN MORGEN & DIYEN DOBRI - COMRADESCllr Terry Kellyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-5085309516758034052007-09-07T14:26:00.000+00:002007-09-07T14:26:00.000+00:00byeck - I regard that as an insult - I do not disc...byeck - I regard that as an insult - <BR/><BR/>I do not discriminate on the grounds of age.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-72446534719653303952007-09-07T14:10:00.000+00:002007-09-07T14:10:00.000+00:00CouncillorRe your aadmitted 'Weakness for murderou...Councillor<BR/>Re your aadmitted 'Weakness for murderous old B******s'<BR/><BR/>Always excepting Winston of course....Byeckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14979315923381919916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-34555597930451652732007-09-06T13:49:00.000+00:002007-09-06T13:49:00.000+00:00Byeck - Well spotted.Byeck - Well spotted.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-30869244839867054672007-09-05T18:32:00.000+00:002007-09-05T18:32:00.000+00:00CouncillorStalin in Poland, Mugabe in Matabeleland...Councillor<BR/>Stalin in Poland, Mugabe in Matabeleland....you do have a weakness for murderous old B*****s dont you?Byeckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14979315923381919916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-37420395009174074532007-09-05T14:29:00.000+00:002007-09-05T14:29:00.000+00:00Rumbold - the main drive after the war from the we...Rumbold - the main drive after the war from the west was to destroy what they saw as a threat to their 'way of life' the Soviet Union, hence the cold war and the demonisation of Stalin. <BR/><BR/>The fact that he proposed a change to an evil global system (capitalism) makes him better than someone (Churchill) who only cared about his place in history as the man who preserved that system which served him so well.<BR/><BR/>He wasn't a damn good war leader, he was a damn good figurehead.<BR/><BR/>If someone who went through Eton and Cambridge discovered a cure for a disease, of course I would applaud them.<BR/><BR/>But here perhaps is the difference between us, I would not be able to avoid wondering if the disease could have been cured quicker if Eton and Cambridge were available to all.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-53051092706852390822007-09-05T14:16:00.000+00:002007-09-05T14:16:00.000+00:00Byeck - 20,000 - at least it was a nice neat numbe...Byeck - 20,000 - at least it was a nice neat number, be fair now you've got to give him that.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-87903436997555424652007-09-04T18:27:00.000+00:002007-09-04T18:27:00.000+00:00Councillor:Individual Soviets were just as brave a...Councillor:<BR/><BR/>Individual Soviets were just as brave and heroic as individual Brits or American. The reason why so many of them died though was because Stalin was happy to sacrifice them, and they knew that if they lost a battle then they would be shot by Stalin. Just look at the larg numbers of Soviet soldiers taken prisoner, then shot by their own side when released. I wish to take nothing away from the bravery of the average Soviet, but the huge death toll was a result of Stalin's inhumanity.<BR/><BR/>Churchill was far from perfect, but he was a damn good war leader and a far better man than Stalin. Yes, Churchill had a helping hand because he was born into privilege. If somebody educated at Eton and Cambridge discovered a cure for a disease, you would not say that they were lucky because they had access to top science labs, you would applaud them.<BR/><BR/>I think that our Stalin Vs. Churchill debate has come to an end for now, so I will make it my last comment on this thread on this topic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-43321682892107936352007-09-04T17:44:00.000+00:002007-09-04T17:44:00.000+00:00CouncillorNow, about the 20,000 Polish officers mu...Councillor<BR/>Now, about the 20,000 Polish officers murdered on Stalins orders at Katyn in 1939 when he invaded Poland in support of Hitler.(before you scream fabrication,Gorby & Yeltsin have admitted Soviet responsibility)<BR/><BR/>Do you have any comment???Byeckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14979315923381919916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-9678953901197962602007-09-04T16:24:00.000+00:002007-09-04T16:24:00.000+00:00Rumbold - I've read stories and listened to many ...Rumbold - I've read stories and listened to many versions of this which portrays the Russians as heroic and determined to defeat Fascism you don't seem to be able to accept this, I find that quite strange and can't think of any reason other than being hidebound by political prejudice to explain it. <BR/><BR/>Churchill despised them both and I despise all three as should you but I gave an honest answer and I would still go with Stalin rather than ChurchillCllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-46793844850342203582007-09-04T16:03:00.000+00:002007-09-04T16:03:00.000+00:00Councillor:The reason why there were so many Sovie...Councillor:<BR/><BR/>The reason why there were so many Soviets dead is because Stalin did not care above the lives of his people- he was happy to sacrifice countless numbers in order to achieve an objective. Also, the Soviet high command had been decimated by purges so it was less effective. <BR/><BR/>As for Churchill picking Hitler over Stalin, there is no evidence for this, especially as it was never likely to be a scenario. Churchill despised them both, as do I, as should you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-82609033917929958332007-09-04T15:57:00.000+00:002007-09-04T15:57:00.000+00:00Rumbold - we have been over this have we not, 'the...Rumbold - we have been over this have we not, 'the Soviet Union helped' 20,000,000 dead, more than every allied country combined, your language gives the game away surely.<BR/><BR/>Had their been a stalemate before the end of the war and Churchill had the chance to pick sides he would fought with the Germans against the Soviet Union. That is not only my opinion but I doubt if you want to think about that.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-12591443972449005672007-09-03T23:50:00.000+00:002007-09-03T23:50:00.000+00:00Councillor:"If it wasn't for the Soviet Union we w...Councillor:<BR/><BR/>"If it wasn't for the Soviet Union we would have been defeated - your political blindness makes it difficult to say anything positive about people who were our allies."<BR/><BR/>I said that the Soviet Union helped. My point about counterfactual history is that one never knows what 'would have happened', so we cannot say that the Allies would have lost without the Soviet Union, anymore than we can say that they would have won. We cannot tell.<BR/><BR/>"Churchill or Stalin ? neither but, if I had to choose, Stalin."<BR/><BR/>I regard Stalin as falling in the same bracket as Hitler, so you can see why I might be slightly peeved at your statement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-31418963170979979602007-09-03T14:46:00.000+00:002007-09-03T14:46:00.000+00:00Rumbold - If it wasn't for the Soviet Union we wou...Rumbold - If it wasn't for the Soviet Union we would have been defeated - your political blindness makes it difficult to say anything positive about people who were our allies.<BR/><BR/>Churchill or Stalin ? neither but, if I had to choose, Stalin. <BR/><BR/>He might have been a monster as was Churchill but Stalin wanted a better world Churchill wanted to protect the corrupt brutal status quo which kept him and his class at the top of the pile.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-15775324778322967352007-09-03T14:37:00.000+00:002007-09-03T14:37:00.000+00:00jim lewis - tell the truth you'll feel better - th...jim lewis - tell the truth you'll feel better - this wriggling is obviously getting to you.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-10883705793014102912007-09-01T17:10:00.000+00:002007-09-01T17:10:00.000+00:00Stalin did not save us. The Soviets relieved press...Stalin did not save us. The Soviets relieved pressure on the Western front, which was good. They were fighting for selfish reasons, as were we. Counterfactual history is always dangerous, and it is impossible to know what would have happened if the Soviets had stayed out of the war.<BR/><BR/>Do you prefer Churchill or Stalin (if you had to choose)? Your answer will sum you up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-6050720889271503542007-09-01T13:21:00.000+00:002007-09-01T13:21:00.000+00:00You don't even remember asking me the two question...You don't even remember asking me the two questions do you? Oh you do? Then I answered them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-71507278982022242472007-08-28T14:56:00.000+00:002007-08-28T14:56:00.000+00:00c4' - I might lose weight and look entirely differ...c4' - I might lose weight and look entirely different - You would need to go under the knife.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-46940808519347668772007-08-28T14:20:00.000+00:002007-08-28T14:20:00.000+00:00Byeck - Your insistance on going over the same gro...Byeck - Your insistance on going over the same ground weakens your position, I've said before you are a dupe.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-21645083680544189962007-08-28T13:30:00.000+00:002007-08-28T13:30:00.000+00:00Isn't it about time you updated your profile photo...Isn't it about time you updated your profile photo? You look like Jabba The Hutt!Sir-C4'https://www.blogger.com/profile/03917709983378003032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-64237022366154462562007-08-24T18:33:00.000+00:002007-08-24T18:33:00.000+00:00CouncillorStalin would have made a better and quic...Councillor<BR/>Stalin would have made a better and quicker fist of saving the world if he hadn't murdered 90% of the Russian officer corps in the late thirties and sent his brighter citizens on extended Siberian holidays.<BR/><BR/>Set against this, how many Welsh miners were, even slightly, shot on Winston's orders?<BR/><BR/>So far as Churchill and Dundee goes, anyone who upsets the inhabitants of that proud city can't be all bad and you should hear what they say about Blair.Byeckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14979315923381919916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-40757051455003752932007-08-24T14:04:00.000+00:002007-08-24T14:04:00.000+00:00jim lewis - at the risk of being condemned, this d...jim lewis - at the risk of being condemned, this drivel doesn't qualify as an argument.<BR/><BR/>When are you going to explain your mysterious yes/no answer you coward.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-40403742551238216102007-08-24T14:00:00.000+00:002007-08-24T14:00:00.000+00:00Rumbold - You're letting your prejudice get in the...Rumbold - You're letting your prejudice get in the way - many British homes had Stalin's portrait on the wall. Telling me to read history books is infantile why don't you do some reading, see, that's infantile too.<BR/><BR/>Whatever Stalin did or didn't do does not alter the fact that he saved the world from Nazi Germany, again your prejudice gets in the way, you seem to think that I'm some kind of big fan of Stalin's when all I'm doing is trying to see the truth. <BR/><BR/>I try to do that with all of them including that old drink sodden half wit Churchill, the war was won despite him.<BR/><BR/>Where did I say that everyone hated Churchill (prejudice again in the way) people vote for many reasons, how did Bush, Nixon, Reagan etc get elected ? Your reference to the 19 50 election pales into insignificance when compared to Labour's landslide over Churchill in 19 45 that's when he should have been at the height of his popularity and he took a drubbing, how could you possibly avoid mentioning that. <BR/><BR/>You missed the bit about ordering troops to shoot striking miners , Dundee where he is still reviled, the Dardanelles and his recently discovered racism, or were there two of them ?<BR/><BR/>Tell me where you have decide I am coming from.Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-69051817929545261012007-08-23T19:48:00.000+00:002007-08-23T19:48:00.000+00:00Um, I wasn't debating, I was stating fact. Don't t...Um, I wasn't debating, I was stating fact. Don't take my word for it. As you're so fond of saying, look it up. Or is your mind closed?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-79561307541030325172007-08-23T14:09:00.000+00:002007-08-23T14:09:00.000+00:00Councillor:"Uncle Joe became uncle Joe because the...Councillor:<BR/><BR/>"Uncle Joe became uncle Joe because the British loved him he was our saviour."<BR/><BR/>He was not our saviour by any strech of the imagination. The British people did not love him, and the only ones who wept over his death were Labour Party officials and BBC employees.<BR/><BR/>You should really read some history books- you would benefit a lot from them. What do you think about Stalin's concentration camps then? <BR/><BR/>"Churchill was a well connected clown, he was more dangerous to us than the enemy."<BR/><BR/>It is difficult to know how to respond to that, as it is so wrong that it has moved beyond the realm of reasoned deabte.<BR/><BR/>If everybody hated Churchill so much, why did they vote him back in the 1950s, throwing out the Labour government who had set up the welfare state?<BR/><BR/>Up until this point councillor, I never quite understood where you were coming from- I do now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-35177951.post-68335759258547628822007-08-23T13:41:00.000+00:002007-08-23T13:41:00.000+00:00Jim lewis - you have your opinion of Churchill and...Jim lewis - you have your opinion of Churchill and I have mine that is debate - no war is a good thing that's a stupid thing to say even by your standards. <BR/><BR/>You should try to get a hold of the autobiography of his personal physician Lord Moran, he tells the truth and he's not alone but, with a closed mind is there any point ?Cllr Terry Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03285923851619030726noreply@blogger.com